Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds
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It isn't cheating because it is allowed in the rules.
Best way to explain it to someone who doesn't understand is to compare it to running/biking. They kind have the same motion, and kinda do the same thing but you are able to achieve better numbers with equipment (a bike or a shirt) than without.
Really, raw and geared powerlifting are two different sports within the same heading.
I don't think anyone was confused by the concept - I think he was taking issue with the principle.
And I was discussing that principle. Never said anyone was confused.
Not really....what I was trying to say is that you explained the concept, not why one was acceptable in competition and the other wasn't....not that its a big deal either way.....0 -
Really? The benching, squatting and deadlifting are that much different as sports? I mean, all the movements look the same and the criteria the same.So using a bench shirt or suit inflates the numbers and isn't cheating, but using straps (that would definitely inflate the numbers on deads) would be cheating. I don't see the logic.
It isn't cheating because it is allowed in the rules.
Best way to explain it to someone who doesn't understand is to compare it to running/biking. They kind have the same motion, and kinda do the same thing but you are able to achieve better numbers with equipment (a bike or a shirt) than without.
Really, raw and geared powerlifting are two different sports within the same heading.
But I digress. I don't care if they use/don't use suits or shirts and put up phenomenal numbers. Again point was I don't understand how it's fine to use a shirt or suit for benches and squats (which inflates their bench numbers), but using straps to inflate a deadlift number would be uncredited.
Let's say one's grip sucks. To do a deadlift, it's not just about grip but legs, hips, back shoulders, calves, etc. So I guess doing strapped deadlifts means it's a lazy way to train those body parts. Oh well.
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I hope he's using all natural stuff. He gets better looking with age.0
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To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.0 -
Lol, one doesn't have to be huge if taking steroids. Stallone and others have taken them for years and aren't HUGE. And if you don't think competitive power lifters or Olympic lifters don't juice just because they don't display 6 pack abs.......To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.
Competitive bodybuilders don't ONLY use steroids too. There's a myriad of drugs besides them that they take which I won't mention on here, but take a ride over to any bodybuilding site and PED's a regular conversation.
Shredded abs comes down to one thing..........low body fat and that has more to do with intake/output of calories than anything else.
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Benching in a shirt is no less "legit" than benching raw. The numbers are inflated but that doesn't make the lifts garbage, just different. Just because you're in a squat suit doesn't make the 900 lbs on your back feel any lighter! Straps are considered cheating because they aren't even allowed in geared lifting. Besides, the ppl on mfp aren't strong enough that their grip should hold them back at all. Grip shouldn't become an issue until you are nearing a double bodyweight pull or more. To use straps when you have a weak pull already is just lazy. That's what chalk is for.
There are plenty of people on MFP who are pulling 2x bodyweight. Without straps. One I know of is actually competing today and will probably do exactly that. Also, you are a people and you are on MFP. And I am assuming you can pull 2x bodyweight so...
I did indeed hit it! 165kg, officially platform proven at 2x body weight. Although apparently it was a big enough deal that they announced that fact.0 -
To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.
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He's absolutely natty. The guy doesn't have a six pack. You know a guy is using roids when he is massive AND he is shredded (i.e. body builders). That's a great accomplishment for any age and it is very attainable for people who don't use steroids.
ha! lol!0 -
To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.
Big guys lifting big things competitively aren't cut because they don't care.
They only care about picking up big things.
Guy at my gym pulled 705 and is pretty cut up- he competes as a strong man- and I"m pretty sure he's got abs.
Most just don't want to do the work and take the loss on strength- which does happen but really it's not worth it to them- but that doesn't mean they can't/won't.0 -
Questions please....
What the hell is "natty" and why would lifting straps (I assume for your hands) be a bad thing?
Help a fella out!
I was totally getting ready to ask this.
Any bros want to help us non-bros out?0 -
Questions please....
What the hell is "natty" and why would lifting straps (I assume for your hands) be a bad thing?
Help a fella out!
I was totally getting ready to ask this.
Any bros want to help us non-bros out?
natty = natural = no steroids/gear/juice
lifting straps - not for your hands persay- they go around your wrist- and wrap to the bar- so you take your grip out of the equation- you can pick the bar without actually holding it pretty much.
It's hard on the joints/wrist- but if you are failing a lift purely because of grip- not leg strength- it helps.0 -
For me, I am 6'1"
I am working towards 400#, so I think it is pretty good he got it.
I did 350# last week, for 4 reps.0 -
Above 225# I use my straps.
I want to get the lift done before my grip on the bar gives out.0 -
Some bros may be jelly of the natty or non-natty status of Hugh Jackman; then again, at his age, demands on his body, who cares?!? The dude can dead a 1/5 of a ton.0
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I'd hit it.0 -
Props to anyone who can pull 400 off the floor. Not sure about the rest of the silliness, but that takes some above average strength.0
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I'd hit that...
I'd hit it.
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We were just discussing Hugh Jackman in the office today. This guy is a beast!0
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I have an opinion: Good for him!0
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I tend to leave the straps off until my final heavy set, and then strap up for the last set for reps, and for accessory work (10 reps at lower weight). My grip hasn't been a limiting factor at all, and I'm close to 400 at 175 body weight.Above 225# I use my straps.
I want to get the lift done before my grip on the bar gives out.0 -
I tend to leave the straps off until my final heavy set, and then strap up for the last set for reps, and for accessory work (10 reps at lower weight). My grip hasn't been a limiting factor at all, and I'm close to 400 at 175 body weight.Above 225# I use my straps.
I want to get the lift done before my grip on the bar gives out.
Better man then me.0 -
these guys have access to HGH different than steroids. In Hollywood the stars have access to ANYTHING. How do you think Ben Affleck gained 40lbs in 3 months for batman?0
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I would say height and weight have some correlation to it as well.0
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these guys have access to HGH different than steroids. In Hollywood the stars have access to ANYTHING. How do you think Ben Affleck gained 40lbs in 3 months for batman?
*cough* you mean Affleckman. He is not Batman, and never will be.
So what does the HGH do, and would that be considered non-natty?0 -
I couldn't care less about how much he deadlifts, whether or not straps/vests are cheating, or "bro science".
What I DO care about is that when I open up a discussion about Hugh Jackman, I want to see lots of pictures of Hugh Jackman. This thread is a miserable failure..
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these guys have access to HGH different than steroids. In Hollywood the stars have access to ANYTHING. How do you think Ben Affleck gained 40lbs in 3 months for batman?
*cough* you mean Affleckman. He is not Batman, and never will be.
So what does the HGH do, and would that be considered non-natty?
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rabbit hole found, investigation, engaged.
I'm really <expletive> tired of knee rehab. Might have value.0 -
I couldn't care less about how much he deadlifts, whether or not straps/vests are cheating, or "bro science".
What I DO care about is that when I open up a discussion about Hugh Jackman, I want to see lots of pictures of Hugh Jackman. This thread is a miserable failure..
winner winner chicken dinner.0 -
400 sounds pretty normal for a guy with his history and mass. I'd be surprised if he couldnt do 500+. I'm pretty sure he could.
He's been deadlifting for maxes for years, I've seen pics of DL maxes for a long time now. A guy with his experience and size should have no problem hitting 455+ for 1 rep.
I would also be surpised if he was natural. This is Hollywood. Expecting a paid performer to be natural is like expecting a Tour de France top 20 rider to be drug free.
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