Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds
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If I was his age and paid for a certain look/to do what he does, no way would I be natty. There's simply no compelling argument for him to be. Properly administered and monitored, steroid usage is safer than OTC pain relievers or recreational drinking*.
True story.
(* I made this up...but wouldn't be at all surprised that it's completely true.)0 -
I couldn't care less about how much he deadlifts, whether or not straps/vests are cheating, or "bro science".
What I DO care about is that when I open up a discussion about Hugh Jackman, I want to see lots of pictures of Hugh Jackman. This thread is a miserable failure..
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Well to your credit, I've NEVER heard anyone die from steroid overdose. True story.If I was his age and paid for a certain look/to do what he does, no way would I be natty. There's simply no compelling argument for him to be. Properly administered and monitored, steroid usage is safer than OTC pain relievers or recreational drinking*.
True story.
(* I made this up...but wouldn't be at all surprised that it's completely true.)
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God knows the only bad result barry bonds had from his use is that he didn't get picked back up by the Giants.0
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He's absolutely natty. The guy doesn't have a six pack. You know a guy is using roids when he is massive AND he is shredded (i.e. body builders). That's a great accomplishment for any age and it is very attainable for people who don't use steroids.
This maybe poorly worded, but if your over a certain weight at a certain height and body fat %, damn straight there is a good chance your on steroids, or your lucky enough to be part of the 1% or so of the population that is genetically gifted enough to achieve that.
this is a study down on natural bodybuilders and thier average weight at given height and BF %, after training for 10 years:
http://www.builtlean.com/2011/03/30/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-naturally/0 -
He's absolutely natty. The guy doesn't have a six pack. You know a guy is using roids when he is massive AND he is shredded (i.e. body builders). That's a great accomplishment for any age and it is very attainable for people who don't use steroids.
This maybe poorly worded, but if your over a certain weight at a certain height and body fat %, damn straight there is a good chance your on steroids, or your lucky enough to be part of the 1% or so of the population that is genetically gifted enough to achieve that.
this is a study down on natural bodybuilders and thier average weight at given height and BF %, after training for 10 years:
http://www.builtlean.com/2011/03/30/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-naturally/
What would those numbers be??
You think Jackman is on roids?0 -
Lest someone take that without salt, there is no study there. It's a blog post without substantiation.0
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He's absolutely natty. The guy doesn't have a six pack. You know a guy is using roids when he is massive AND he is shredded (i.e. body builders). That's a great accomplishment for any age and it is very attainable for people who don't use steroids.
This maybe poorly worded, but if your over a certain weight at a certain height and body fat %, damn straight there is a good chance your on steroids, or your lucky enough to be part of the 1% or so of the population that is genetically gifted enough to achieve that.
this is a study down on natural bodybuilders and thier average weight at given height and BF %, after training for 10 years:
http://www.builtlean.com/2011/03/30/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-naturally/
What would those numbers be??
You think Jackman is on roids?
i'd post the chart in here but i don't really know how to do it and make it look right. you'll have to open the link to see the numbers.
i don't really know enough about HJ to say he is or he isn't (honestly thought he was short guy, i guess just because he played wolverine), and photos are always doctored anyway
i did echo what another poster was saying; in that i think a lot of male actors who's career is based in any (even small) way on thier physique may be taking some sort of band substance.0 -
i'd post the chart in here but i don't really know how to do it and make it look right. you'll have to open the link to see the numbers.
i don't really know enough about HJ to say he is or he isn't (honestly thought he was short guy, i guess just because he played wolverine), and photos are always doctored anyway
i did echo what another poster was saying; in that i think a lot of male actors who's career is based in any (even small) way on thier physique may be taking some sort of band substance.
Yeah I thought he was shorter as well....prolly due to the fact he played Wolverine as well (about 5'6" in comics)....
So I was shocked when I saw him listed at 6'2"
I opened the link and read the chart.....I do LeanGains myself, and read that article from Martin about LBM potential, and forgot all about it.
I got a ways to go before I am at the top end of my BW potential....but good to know that where I want to be is possible.0 -
Lest someone take that without salt, there is no study there. It's a blog post without substantiation.
well here is one with references if it makes you feel better.
if you'd perfer to think that your only limited by how much you train, and genetics is an after thought that doens't produce a natural bell curve, then dont bother reading
http://www.weightrainer.net/potential.html0 -
I was so disappointed to not see a picture of the delicious Mr Hugh raaaow Jackson at the start of this thread. just saying.0
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That one might actually have some relevance.
However, there isn't a single current study referred to.
Although, what was interesting is that lean gains says I can't put on more than 160, Dr. Butt says 200#.
That's a significant variance that's essentially as accurate as using a dart board to find an answer.0 -
Who's Hugh Jackson?I was so disappointed to not see a picture of the delicious Mr Hugh raaaow Jackson at the start of this thread. just saying.
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Bo Jackson during his needle days?0
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I've been to many natural bodybuilding contests and have rarely seen a "shredded" bodybuilder over 180lbs.
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n=1, but my strength coach is a natty fitness model competitor, and he's ripped at 205, his brother is a natty BB and a 220# monster. He's cutting for a competition in September and he's shredded, already at competition weight.0
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Lol, one doesn't have to be huge if taking steroids. Stallone and others have taken them for years and aren't HUGE. And if you don't think competitive power lifters or Olympic lifters don't juice just because they don't display 6 pack abs.......To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.
Competitive bodybuilders don't ONLY use steroids too. There's a myriad of drugs besides them that they take which I won't mention on here, but take a ride over to any bodybuilding site and PED's a regular conversation.
Shredded abs comes down to one thing..........low body fat and that has more to do with intake/output of calories than anything else.
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I think several people are misunderstanding me. It boils down to simple logic. There are two components to my statement that can have true/false values: 1) Body Fat percentage 2) Muscle Mass.
My claim is effectively that you can tell when someone is on roids when two criteria have been met: 1) Low Body fat % and 2) A lot of muscle mass. In logic, it is as follows:
If a person has low body fat % and high muscle mass, then person is on roids (If p AND q, then r). The contrapositive, or logically equivalent statement to that is "If a person is not on roids, they either do not have a low body fat% or do not have a lot of muscle mass (or both) (If not r, then not p or not q). Translation, my comment didn't preclude the possibility of someone being fat or not having muscle and being on roids.
The only way to know for sure if someone is on roids is if they are HUGE and CUT. Obviously you can pump roids all day and be a fat blob, but since we are talking about Hugh Jackman, I figured that was basically irrelevant. Given that, it is possible to criticize my comments since technically it is still possible for him to be on roids given the logic I outlined. I guess the larger point I am trying to make is that his physique is something that is definitely attainable WITHOUT roids. Does that technically mean he is not on roids? Nope.
My bad.
Also, let me qualify my statements regarding "huge". When I am talking about HUGE, I am talking like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler huge... where you are over 250+ lbs with a 3% body fat percentage at the time of your contest. That kind of physique is hard to obtain without roids. You can definitely get shredded at 220 lbs as a natty ( See Tom Venuto). It's hard to do, but it is definitely possible.
For most people though, the general rule of if huge and cut then roids is absolutely true. Obviously there are exceptions, but that rule is true more often than not.0 -
I've been to many natural bodybuilding contests and have rarely seen a "shredded" bodybuilder over 180lbs.
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think my friend ticked in around 200 natural- and he took home 5th for his first comp. but he's tall- pushing 6 something. I'm pretty sure it can happen- but it's the exception not the rule.0 -
Lol, one doesn't have to be huge if taking steroids. Stallone and others have taken them for years and aren't HUGE. And if you don't think competitive power lifters or Olympic lifters don't juice just because they don't display 6 pack abs.......To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.
Competitive bodybuilders don't ONLY use steroids too. There's a myriad of drugs besides them that they take which I won't mention on here, but take a ride over to any bodybuilding site and PED's a regular conversation.
Shredded abs comes down to one thing..........low body fat and that has more to do with intake/output of calories than anything else.
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I think several people are misunderstanding me. It boils down to simple logic. There are two components to my statement that can have true/false values: 1) Body Fat percentage 2) Muscle Mass.
My claim is effectively that you can tell when someone is on roids when two criteria have been met: 1) Low Body fat % and 2) A lot of muscle mass. In logic, it is as follows:
If a person has low body fat % and high muscle mass, then person is on roids (If p AND q, then r). The contrapositive, or logically equivalent statement to that is "If a person is not on roids, they either do not have a low body fat% or do not have a lot of muscle mass (or both) (If not r, then not p or not q). Translation, my comment didn't preclude the possibility of someone being fat or not having muscle and being on roids.
The only way to know for sure if someone is on roids is if they are HUGE and CUT. Obviously you can pump roids all day and be a fat blob, but since we are talking about Hugh Jackman, I figured that was basically irrelevant. Given that, it is possible to criticize my comments since technically it is still possible for him to be on roids given the logic I outlined. I guess the larger point I am trying to make is that his physique is something that is definitely attainable WITHOUT roids. Does that technically mean he is not on roids? Nope.
My bad.
Also, let me qualify my statements regarding "huge". When I am talking about HUGE, I am talking like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler huge... where you are over 250+ lbs with a 3% body fat percentage at the time of your contest. That kind of physique is hard to obtain without roids. You can definitely get shredded at 220 lbs as a natty ( See Tom Venuto). It's hard to do, but it is definitely possible.
For most people though, the general rule of if huge and cut then roids is absolutely true. Obviously there are exceptions, but that rule is true more often than not.
You can also be much smaller and still be on roids. Christian Bale is (or at least was) totally on juice. That is the only explanation for his remarkable transformation from The Machinist to The Dark Knight.
Also, a ton of powerlifters are on juice. They might have a lot of fat mass, but they also have a lot of muscle mass. That's actually how they get so big. The guy who plays The Mountain is on a ton of gear, and he has a lot of fat mass. Your statement (If p AND q, then r) is just false. You are starting with the r, and trying to find cases of it fitting both p and q, while ignoring figures that don't fit those three.0 -
That one might actually have some relevance.
However, there isn't a single current study referred to.
Although, what was interesting is that lean gains says I can't put on more than 160, Dr. Butt says 200#.
That's a significant variance that's essentially as accurate as using a dart board to find an answer.
the actual numbers are besides the point.
I just wanted to defend the guy who really stated something thats basically common sense and everyone bashed him for.
There is a genetic limit, most of us fall in the average range (obviously)... so if your 5'8'', 300 lbs (total exaggeration obviouly) and are at 8% bf... then i'm not suprised if people point fingers at said person.0 -
Lol, one doesn't have to be huge if taking steroids. Stallone and others have taken them for years and aren't HUGE. And if you don't think competitive power lifters or Olympic lifters don't juice just because they don't display 6 pack abs.......To those of you calling my comments absurd... try getting huge and maintaining a six pack and see how it works out for you. There is a reason why powerlifters and strongmen aren't cut and bodybuilders are shredded. When you cut, you lose muscle mass. Period. The only way to get HUGE (not natty huge) and be shredded is to use steroids.
**Edit**: Also, Hugh Jackman isn't that big.
Competitive bodybuilders don't ONLY use steroids too. There's a myriad of drugs besides them that they take which I won't mention on here, but take a ride over to any bodybuilding site and PED's a regular conversation.
Shredded abs comes down to one thing..........low body fat and that has more to do with intake/output of calories than anything else.
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I think several people are misunderstanding me. It boils down to simple logic. There are two components to my statement that can have true/false values: 1) Body Fat percentage 2) Muscle Mass.
My claim is effectively that you can tell when someone is on roids when two criteria have been met: 1) Low Body fat % and 2) A lot of muscle mass. In logic, it is as follows:
If a person has low body fat % and high muscle mass, then person is on roids (If p AND q, then r). The contrapositive, or logically equivalent statement to that is "If a person is not on roids, they either do not have a low body fat% or do not have a lot of muscle mass (or both) (If not r, then not p or not q). Translation, my comment didn't preclude the possibility of someone being fat or not having muscle and being on roids.
The only way to know for sure if someone is on roids is if they are HUGE and CUT. Obviously you can pump roids all day and be a fat blob, but since we are talking about Hugh Jackman, I figured that was basically irrelevant. Given that, it is possible to criticize my comments since technically it is still possible for him to be on roids given the logic I outlined. I guess the larger point I am trying to make is that his physique is something that is definitely attainable WITHOUT roids. Does that technically mean he is not on roids? Nope.
My bad.
Also, let me qualify my statements regarding "huge". When I am talking about HUGE, I am talking like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler huge... where you are over 250+ lbs with a 3% body fat percentage at the time of your contest. That kind of physique is hard to obtain without roids. You can definitely get shredded at 220 lbs as a natty ( See Tom Venuto). It's hard to do, but it is definitely possible.
For most people though, the general rule of if huge and cut then roids is absolutely true. Obviously there are exceptions, but that rule is true more often than not.
You can also be much smaller and still be on roids. Christian Bale is (or at least was) totally on juice. That is the only explanation for his remarkable transformation from The Machinist to The Dark Knight.
Also, a ton of powerlifters are on juice. They might have a lot of fat mass, but they also have a lot of muscle mass. That's actually how they get so big. The guy who plays The Mountain is on a ton of gear, and he has a lot of fat mass. Your statement (If p AND q, then r) is just false. You are starting with the r, and trying to find cases of it fitting both p and q, while ignoring figures that don't fit those three.
Read my post again. I am not disagreeing with you.
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the actual numbers are besides the point.
I just wanted to defend the guy who really stated something thats basically common sense and everyone bashed him for.
There is a genetic limit, most of us fall in the average range (obviously)... so if your 5'8'', 300 lbs (total exaggeration obviouly) and are at 8% bf... then i'm not suprised if people point fingers at said person.
Just don't post bro-studies.
I didn't see any bashing, but of course we all have different thresholds, some of us have thicker skins.
My question though,, while they are PEDs, are HGH and related treatments something that would really make someone ridic huge? Doubtful. It will help recovery, but still limited by testosterone, unless you're getting trt.0 -
Given that lots of competitive guys are under 6 ft, it's tough for a natural to be 200lbs ripped. I've seen in a couple of times apparently (Mike Ashley and Dave Goodin) but most came in ripped between 165lbs-185lbs.I've been to many natural bodybuilding contests and have rarely seen a "shredded" bodybuilder over 180lbs.
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think my friend ticked in around 200 natural- and he took home 5th for his first comp. but he's tall- pushing 6 something. I'm pretty sure it can happen- but it's the exception not the rule.
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Gh makes a big difference especially for older guys. It can absolutely make a visible difference in an otherwise natty lifter. But basically you're right, it won't dramatically push someone past genetic limits without anabolics or at least some well dosed test replacement therapy.the actual numbers are besides the point.
I just wanted to defend the guy who really stated something thats basically common sense and everyone bashed him for.
There is a genetic limit, most of us fall in the average range (obviously)... so if your 5'8'', 300 lbs (total exaggeration obviouly) and are at 8% bf... then i'm not suprised if people point fingers at said person.
Just don't post bro-studies.
I didn't see any bashing, but of course we all have different thresholds, some of us have thicker skins.
My question though,, while they are PEDs, are HGH and related treatments something that would really make someone ridic huge? Doubtful. It will help recovery, but still limited by testosterone, unless you're getting trt.0 -
the actual numbers are besides the point.
I just wanted to defend the guy who really stated something thats basically common sense and everyone bashed him for.
There is a genetic limit, most of us fall in the average range (obviously)... so if your 5'8'', 300 lbs (total exaggeration obviouly) and are at 8% bf... then i'm not suprised if people point fingers at said person.
Just don't post bro-studies.
I didn't see any bashing, but of course we all have different thresholds, some of us have thicker skins.
My question though,, while they are PEDs, are HGH and related treatments something that would really make someone ridic huge? Doubtful. It will help recovery, but still limited by testosterone, unless you're getting trt.
HGH is really expensive and from what i hear not nearly as effective in the short term as test.
someone called his statement retarded. i think its fair to say thats bashing.
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How many nattys do you know to maintain at 7% BF while staying shredded?
Not sure if srsHe's absolutely natty. The guy doesn't have a six pack. You know a guy is using roids when he is massive AND he is shredded (i.e. body builders). That's a great accomplishment for any age and it is very attainable for people who don't use steroids.0 -
I was also struck by one of the comments on the Yahoo article. The comment was that only 1% of the people in the world can deadlift 400 pounds. I would think the number is higher than 1% but maybe I'm wrong.
BTW, I use straps. Deadlifts rip the heck out of my hands.
That yahoo poster was probably someone who has never seeing a gym. I have deadlift 405 a few months ago.0 -
How many nattys do you know to maintain at 7% BF while staying shredded?
Not sure if srsHe's absolutely natty. The guy doesn't have a six pack. You know a guy is using roids when he is massive AND he is shredded (i.e. body builders). That's a great accomplishment for any age and it is very attainable for people who don't use steroids.
is it just me, or could this post also have been written as 'how many nattys do you know to stay shredded while staying shredded?0 -
It's just you, natties can cut to 7% BF but they won't be able to maintian.0
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Given that lots of competitive guys are under 6 ft, it's tough for a natural to be 200lbs ripped. I've seen in a couple of times apparently (Mike Ashley and Dave Goodin) but most came in ripped between 165lbs-185lbs.I've been to many natural bodybuilding contests and have rarely seen a "shredded" bodybuilder over 180lbs.
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think my friend ticked in around 200 natural- and he took home 5th for his first comp. but he's tall- pushing 6 something. I'm pretty sure it can happen- but it's the exception not the rule.
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indeed- which is why I added the addendum about him being tall- I've been to a few shows- I think most of them competing are in the 5'8-5'10 range.
I see a lot more guys competing in physique or whatever the men's version is- we have 3 at our gym- not a single ACTUAL body builder. Which makes me a little sad- they wear those stupid board shorts which is silly to me- because well- legs. and *kitten*.
And I know most people don't want to be THAT big- but the shorts are just a cop out.0
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