Moderation DOES NOT WORK for me
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Just gotta fight the battle of will power. Set reasonable short term goals to help you get to your major goal. Use the calorie calculator before you eat to decide if it is worth it. Tracking is easy once you make it a habit. Good Luck Don't lose hope.
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By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of ignorance. Though that doesn't seem to bother you. Odd for a lawyer.0 -
Exactly what profession are you in? This professionalal understanding of lard as healthy food vs. confused laypeople who cannot understand why it is healthy...I have to know.Personally, I'd say people often confuse the effects of food/sugar/what-have-you, with eating way too damn much of it.
Exactly. This goes back to my comment about lay-persons getting confused and thinking it's something toxic about the food itself.
It's not. While Oreos may not be the most nutritious food in the world, I doubt there is anything inherently unhealthy about them. They are just extremely compelling to eat and calorie dense. If you're like me and sit down and eat an entire row of the 3-row pack at a sitting, say 20 cookies, you've just eaten 1000 calories in cookies without batting an eye. That is 2/3 of a normal man's daily calorie allotment.0 -
Yes you need willpower, but to succeed long term you don't have to hocus pocus extra willpower out of thin air, all you need to do is "ration" the willpower you already have the smartest way you can and just take the route of least resistance, be it moderation, elimination, low carb, high carb, paleo, vegetarian, IF... etc. After all isn't that what "sustainable" means? Something that won't burn you out within a short period of time?
Wouldn't you want to know if the majority of people wound up wanting to eat their shoe, slap their children and gained extra weight on a diet you were considering?
If a diet does all that, it's not the smartest way to go about it. All you need to do is weigh benefits, risks and ease of use. It's really not that complicated. It just surprises me that so many people only consider a diet successful if they had to suffer through it and do it "the hard way" as if it made them superior in some sense.
I did it the easiest way I could. I went under 1000 calories on some days (GASP!) and over maintenance on some days (DOUBLE GASP!) and even had a period where I opted to maintain for a few months until I go the spark back instead of muscling my way through it, and at no point did I feel it was too hard and I just need to muster willpower to make it through the day.
I totally agree. The key is finding the path of least resistance for any individual. Some of the proponents of moderation just can't seem to understand that for some that path isn't moderation-based. For some, it is via elimination, substitutions, etc.0 -
I've always wanted to eat there. Hubs wants to plan a Napa trip for spring. Perhaps, finally.....
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of foolishness.0 -
Maybe you should have left in the statement, as it was self-evident.
OK, here it is:If you want to stop eating naan and you can't, you might have an addiction problem.
If I said, "if you want to stop drinking alcohol and you can't, you might have an addiction problem." Or if I said, "If you want to start gambling, but you can't, you might have an addiction problem." most people would agree. Presumably you would, also.But let's recap. You suggested that someone might be addicted to naan. Not even bread (which like I said, I can mostly take or leave), but naan.
That's like saying that someone is addicted to '00 Bordeaux.
Ah, I think I see the point of confusion. Let me clarify here: I have no idea what "naan" is. I'm assuming it is some kind of food.Not an alcoholic and no issues with booze generally, but just '00 Bordeaux. That someone really likes something and so wants to eat more of it than his or her brain says is logically ideal, that as human beings we sometimes put short term pleasure over longer term objectives does not mean that we lack choice or are "addicted" and unable to avoid eating up all the naan in the restaurant once we have a crumb. It demonstrates what a perverted understanding of addiction you are using.
You bring up a good point that has been brought up before. Some people claim that there is no such thing as addiction. There was a study done where people addicted to heroin were offered heroin or money:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/science/the-rational-choices-of-crack-addicts.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The take away from this is even "addicts" can postpone their addiction in favor of a reward - if that reward is suitably enticing. I think, for example, I could easily not eat some Oreo cookies for $20 right now. If you told me I could have $20 a year from now or some Oreo cookies right now, I'd probably take the Oreo cookies.
As the saying goes, "Everyone has their price." Even addicts, evidently.But to suggest that someone's love for a particular food stuff and thus struggle with moderation for that item=addiction is just bizarre.
You may think it's bizarre, but it is generally accepted that if you have an uncontrollable compulsion to engage in a destructive behavior in spite of knowing the consequences, you might have an addiction problem.
So, if you find yourself unable to control your eating naan (or any other food), in spite of knowing it's bad for you, you might have an addiction or compulsion issue with that substance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction
Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences,[1] or a neurological impairment leading to such behaviors.[2]
According to many addiction specialists, potential addictions can include, but are not limited to, drug abuse, exercise addiction, food addiction, computer addiction and gambling. Currently, however, only substance addictions and gambling addiction are recognized by the DSM-5. ΔFosB, a gene transcription factor, is now known to be the critical component and common factor in the development of virtually all forms of behavioral and drug addictions.[3][4][5] Classic hallmarks of addiction include impaired control over substances or behavior, preoccupation with substance or behavior, continued use despite consequences, and denial.[6] Habits and patterns associated with addiction are typically characterized by immediate gratification (short-term reward), coupled with delayed deleterious effects (long-term costs).[7]
You might also consider some of the common signs of addiction:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/info/addiction/signs-of-addiction.php
The person takes the substance and cannot stop
Addiction continues despite health problem awareness
Maintaining a good supply
Dealing with problems
Secrecy and solitude
Excess consumption
Having stashes0 -
OP: read Intuitive Eating0
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I haven't read the article but given the number of kids raised on French fries, tater toys and chicken fingers, I'm open to the possibility, though I fail to see how replacement food is the answer.
My feeling is that if you replace calorie-dense foods with foods that are not so calorie dense, your normal feelings of satiety will be more likely to result in a normal caloric intake.
As our typical food becomes more calorie dense, it's likely that you will eat a surplus without knowing it.0 -
I've always wanted to eat there. Hubs wants to plan a Napa trip for spring. Perhaps, finally.....
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of foolishness.
It's actually in Yontville, but totally worth it. It will hurt the pocketbook, but if you're a foodie, definitely worth it. But, if you can't get in, there are quite a few other fantastic places in the area.0 -
I have the same problem, so if I know I cant have 2 or 3, I wont even have one. Cause I cant stop! Love food!0
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Honest question. You've spent so many months to years constantly talking about food addiction. Only food addiction. In that time you've quit several times and come back to defend food addiction. In that time have you considered seeking help? It's pretty evident that you have come to accept that you are addicted to food and have it justify why you can't succeed in your weight loss goal. Have you considered trying to take some of the energy you put into defending and researching food addiction and apply it towards finding an actual way to have success?
Sure. My doctor even suggested it. I don't have money for those kinds of luxuries. So like most people, I keep trying again and again on my own.
My only real hope is that someday they will develop a safe and effective appetite suppressant. When I was on Redux it totally solved my problem. I lost 60 pounds in the 6 months I was on it, and then it was pulled from the market.0 -
I know it's Yontville... but we'd be closer when we're in Napa than we are now! cheers!
I've always wanted to eat there. Hubs wants to plan a Napa trip for spring. Perhaps, finally.....
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of foolishness.
It's actually in Yontville, but totally worth it. It will hurt the pocketbook, but if you're a foodie, definitely worth it. But, if you can't get in, there are quite a few other fantastic places in the area.
ETA: they're what, about 20-30 min apart?0 -
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of foolishness.
You seem to be good with google and still missed the sarcasm. You see, they served brunch for a while for tourists who couldn't get real reservations. It was a thing a decade ago, though I haven't thought about that place in years, and I wasn't the one googling to name drop like you're doing. I lost interest in that type of cuisine and tend to appreciate more traditional cooking from less pretentious places these days, but if you think that's me being a snob, oh well. Keep up the googling though as it seems to be your window onto the world. Best to get out a bit more.0 -
There are a few "foods" that are genuinely bad and that you should not eat *at all*.
Anything containing trans fats falls into this category. Your body is capable of absorbing trans fats, but has no chemical mechanism to eliminate them once they are absorbed. The trans fat you ate as a toddler sticks around in the walls of your arteries until you decompose (and then probably poisons the worms that ate your carcass, though some bacteria can break it down).0 -
Exactly what profession are you in? This professionalal understanding of lard as healthy food vs. confused laypeople who cannot understand why it is healthy...I have to know.
Engineering.
First, I'll point out that there is no lard (rendered pig fat) in Oreo cookies.
Here is the ingredient list:
ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON,
THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1],
RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID),
SUGAR,
PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL,
COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI),
LACTOSE (FROM MILK),
HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP,
BAKING SODA,
SALT,
CORNSTARCH,
SOY LECITHIN (EMULSIFIER),
CHOCOLATE,
VANILLIN-AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR.
Second of all, what precisely is unhealthy about lard?0 -
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of foolishness.
You seem to be good with google and still missed the sarcasm. You see, they served brunch for a while for tourists who couldn't get real reservations. It was a thing a decade ago, though I haven't thought about that place in years, and I wasn't the one googling to name drop like you're doing. I lost interest in that type of cuisine and tend to appreciate more traditional cooking from less pretentious places these days, but if you think that's me being a snob, oh well. Keep up the googling though as it seems to be your window onto the world. Best to get out a bit more.
This exchange makes me laugh so hard.0 -
I know it's Yontville... but we'd be closer when we're in Napa than we are now! cheers!
I've always wanted to eat there. Hubs wants to plan a Napa trip for spring. Perhaps, finally.....
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of foolishness.
It's actually in Yontville, but totally worth it. It will hurt the pocketbook, but if you're a foodie, definitely worth it. But, if you can't get in, there are quite a few other fantastic places in the area.
ETA: they're what, about 20-30 min apart?
Traffic in Napa can be a nightmare so plan for it0 -
By YOUR definition. Fortunately. I don't live by your definitions. :laugh:
And if I'm going to have pizza, as a foodie it's going to be a damned good probably artisan pizza. No Pizza Hut for me. But it's going to be on a whole wheat crust (or cauliflower if I get the hankering, which happens), and have lots of veggies.
That's not pizza.
Not by anyone with taste buds. But hey, you're fine and healthy and sane, right?
Well, I don't know about that. Where I live, the farm to table movement is pretty big and there are a lot of super tasty artisan pizzas, with whole wheat crusts and gluten free crusts options. I've never tried the cauliflower version before, but I might look into that. The crust is just a delivery vehicle for the sauce, cheese and toppings for the most part. Don't get me wrong, a stuffed deep dish can be delicious too (oooh, Zachary's...) but to say that artisan pizzas don't have there place in the pizza pantheon is just plain crazy.
If you think the crust is just a delivery vehicle then your palate is dead. Period.
Right. Because pizza crust is an important basis point for palate range. Next time I'm at French Laundry, I'll be sure to ask about their preferred pizza crust. Hahahaha.
You truly know nothing about food. But, hey, enjoy your brunch
Your ignorance shows. French Laundry doesn't serve brunch. It's Thomas Keller's restaurant -- one of the best in the world. So, yeah, when you try to be a snob, at least do a quick google search first. It will help prevent such displays of ignorance. Though that doesn't seem to bother you. Odd for a lawyer.
LOL that not knowing French Laundry serves brunch makes someone ignorant.0 -
Thanks for letting me know.Exactly what profession are you in? This professionalal understanding of lard as healthy food vs. confused laypeople who cannot understand why it is healthy...I have to know.
Engineering.
First, I'll point out that there is no lard (rendered pig fat) in Oreo cookies.
Here is the ingredient list:
ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON,
THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1],
RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID),
SUGAR,
PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL,
COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI),
LACTOSE (FROM MILK),
HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP,
BAKING SODA,
SALT,
CORNSTARCH,
SOY LECITHIN (EMULSIFIER),
CHOCOLATE,
VANILLIN-AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR.
Second of all, what precisely is unhealthy about lard?
As I said earlier, I no longer debate the existence of junk food. I've learned that it is an exercise in futility.
If you're really interested in why it is considered unhealthy, ask your doctor. (Unless he, too, is considered a confused layperson.)0
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