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AlwaysWanderer

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sbchasin

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gailosborne

I've loved reading this thread, thanks very much indeed!

EmilyJ1979

interesting stuff, thanks!!

sam23030

Very, interesting, might have to check out that book, thanks!

suelynn62

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godblessourhome

I've loved reading this thread, thanks very much indeed!

same here. i wish i could clone your ryan.

girlruns

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dorairwin

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road2peachtree

thanks! cool information

misrical

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deathtaco

1) POST WORKOUT NUTRITION
after any workout, whether cardio or strength training, it is important to refuel our body with the right nutrients. this way, we can recover more effectively, replace our muscles with glycogen, build muscle mass and burn more body fat, and see results faster.

...suggested that i eat 75% back right during post-recovery nutrition so that it can be used directly for muscle building. the TIMING of eating back exercise calories is also important. he said many people might think they can eat a huge bowl of cereal much later in the day, given they burned a lot of calories.. but if you eat them back during other parts of the day and it is a large number of calories, the excess calories will be converted into fat. so eating them back during the post-workout window is ideal.

The 'window' of opportunity is 24 hours after working out . Also, whey takes roughly (if I remember correctly) 55 minutes or so to fully digest and break down. Glycogen stores do not deplete after one moderate workout (believe me...it took me 2 days, 3 nights of no carbs, cardio and a highly intense depletion workout to get my levels down to 'depleted' levels).

If you're a marathon runner or something similar to that, it can't hurt because those activities will burn deeper so to speak, but the average person doing a moderate workout for a average time - doesn't need to worry about immediate glycogen depletion.

http://user210805.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/AARR-Jan-2008.pdf

ryan also said that a diet of 40% carb, 30% protein, and 30% fat would be good. finally, i asked about a good book i could read about nutrition, and he suggested "cracking the metabolic code" by james lavalle. i just downloaded it onto my kindle, and based on the initial scan, it mentions many things that ryan talked about tonight.

40/40/20, 40/30/30, etc. are all arbitrary numbers. It is far more effective to figure out:
1) How much protein your body need
2) How much fat your body needs
3) Fill the rest in with carbs

It may come close to the above breakdowns, it may differ drastically. But food for thought.

Everything else was spot on. I do not recommend for a lot of people on this site, but "IIFYM - if it fits your macros" is something a lot (sometimes I) of people do. Ice cream, cereal, yogurt, animal crackers, etc are consumed, fitting our daily macro nutrient levels and we're fine. But the two quoted parts are the only parts I disagree with that have been proved false, or have a more efficient way of handling.

I encourage everyone here to not blindly accept what people tell them. Go out and research it yourself, find the latest studies and read this information with your own eyes. There is a lot of new research coming out that is not government funded, not agenda oriented and a lot of it is very opposite of what we've heard in the past.

bmontgomery87

^^ great post.
the window of opportunity myth is always spread. I hate hearing it. I know I don't need to rush home and eat immediately.


Big fan of IIFYM to an extent. I still dont eat fast food or anything like that, and mainly stick to "clean" foods. But when I can squeeze in peanut butter and jelly, or a bowl of ice cream, I do it.

deathtaco

Ben and Jerry's is my Anabolic Super Food.

JoAnnLeahMurphy

You rock - thanks for sharing!

pandafoo

@deathtaco and @bmontgomery, thanks for sharing your POVs! i would hope that no one would believe blindly any information they read or hear, including mine or ryan's! this is just some information for you to consider as you develop your own informed decisions and strategies for better health. since the time ryan talked about post-workout nutrition, i've even modified the strategy, so that i take the whey protein/gatorade only on very intense workout days. or i might sub with milk and some fruit. and no, i don't rush home to consume it within 30 min either!

it's nice to have had these 3 sessions with ryan (and i have 1 more left) so i can consolidate all the info i've learned in one thread here. being engaged in our health involves a lifelong journey of learning, and there's always new research and programs that come out - it's good to keep up-to-date and figure out what works for you.

healthyjen342

interesting read for later..thanks

Rodneymc4

Good article and thank you for sharing this information with us.

I strongly agree with the need to get recovery supplements in your body as soon as possible. I usually keep some kind of protein bar or the liquid whey protein (which is the most convenient supplement I found so far), in my gym bags. On days that I'm forced to do cardio and weight training together, I eat during my workouts. I learned that by replenishing my nutritional needs immediately, I rarely, if ever get sore after workouts. I can literally go to the gym everyday without be hampered by soreness from the previous workout. I believe it's because I'm adamant about eating during and immediately after workouts. I have cases of protein bars in the areas I frequent because they offer convenience and ease for me to add recovery supplements IMMEDIATELY. I think, I've wasted a workout if I don't feed my muscles in the peek growing periods...so this article just reinforces my desire to refuel immediately.

However, I'm not interested in losing a half a pound a week. Maybe when I get to 180lbs, but today I'm still working on that VERY, VERY, VERY STUBBORN belly fat. I picked up a pair of 36 inch Ed Hardy jeans with room to spare today...I could've got the 34's, but I couldn't believe the 36's were a little big.

brendalyne

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k1r5ty23

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pandafoo

Yesterday I met with Ryan for my final session. I hadn't seen him in awhile due to work travel, but I knew I had to schedule something with him before my move to California this week. We covered the topics of organic foods and daily eating behaviors for longevity, so there's a lot of useful info here.

A. ORGANIC FOODS

1. What does "organic" mean?
-Production method that emphasizes the use of renewable resources and conservation of water/soil
-Organic foods are produced w/o use of conventional pesticides, fertilizers and synthetic ingredients, bioengineering, or ionizing radiation
-Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products come from animals that are not given antibiotics or growth hormones
-Organic practices promote healthy, humane treatment of animals by providing them with organically grown feed and allowing the animals to have outdoor access, fresh air, water and sunshine

2. Reading organic labels
-The USA has established an organic certification program that requires all organic foods to meet strict government standards. If the product contains the green and white USDA organic seal, the product has been produced/processed according to USDA standards. This seal is voluntary.
-100% organic - the product contains no synthetic ingredients
-Organic - the product is at least 95% organic
-Made with organic ingredients - the product contains at least 70% organic ingredients. A product of this quality does not always use the seal

3. Is organically grown produce superior in nutrition to conventionally grown produce?
-Difficult to prove because there are several variables to control (e.g., soil quality and condition, maturity at harvest) that could influence nutrient content
-Organically fertilized plants have lower levels of nitrates
-Research suggests organic production increases average antioxidant levels by 25%
-Most recent studies looking at organic vs. conventional "matched pairs" suggest higher levels of vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants in organically grown produce

4. Key recommendations
-Buy local whenever possible
-Buy "in-season" produce
-Look for the USDA organic label
-Wash all fruits and veggies thoroughly with running water to reduce dirt and bacteria
-Prioritize. The majority of your organic food dollars should be spent on fruits and veggies because these items are most likely to contain pesticides
-For proteins and meats, buy organic milk, organic eggs that are free range/cage free, wild fish (not farmed), grass-fed beef, and wild game such as bison

Ryan mentioned the DIRTY DOZEN - 12 fruits and veggies that have the highest in pesticide residue, which we should eat organic as recommended by the Environmental Working Group. They are:
-Peaches
-Apples
-Sweet bell peppers
-Celery
-Nectarines
-Strawberries
-Cherries
-Pears
-Grapes (imported)
-Spinach
-Lettuce
-Potatoes

The NOT-SO-DIRTY DOZEN have the lowest levels of pesticide residues:
-Papayas
-Broccoli
-Cabbage
-Bananas
-Kiwi
-Sweet peas (frozen)
-Asparagus
-Mangoes
-Pineapple
-Sweet corn (frozen)
-Avocados
-Onions

B. DAILY EATING BEHAVIORS FOR LONGEVITY

Ryan compiled this list together based on what he learned from textbooks, national recommendations, and current research. He believes that if you can check off each item daily, you can be confident you're eating for longevity.

1. 10 combined servings of fruits and vegetables
They promote anti-cancer and anti-aging. He recommended 3 servings of fruit, and 7 servings of non-starchy veggies. The veggies especially contribute to better health

2. One apple (variety of colors) - great source of soluble fiber, which lowers LDL (Loser cholesterol as he calls it - great way to remember the difference between LDL and HDL), and prevents heart disease. Other good sources of soluble fiber are strawberries, beans, and oatmeal

3. Salad - great source of insoluble fiber, which can help prevent colon cancer
-2 cups romaine lettuce and 1 cup of spinach
-1 whole bell pepper (color variety) - vitamin C
-1/2 cup broccoli - for liver detox
-1/2 cup dried beans (kidney, lentil, garbanzo) - soluble fiber
-3 oz chicken or salmon

4. 18-24 almonds/pistachios/pecans/cashews - super source of mono-unsaturated fats, which lowers LDL and prevents heart disease. This is about 1/4 to 1/2 cup nuts

5. Two servings of yogurt with live and active cultures, or high quality probiotic supplement - which helps create a healthy digestive system. He recommended Greek or keifer yogurt

6. 1 serving of slow cooking oatmeal - soluble fiber which is good for the heart

7. Whey protein shake - protein intake and immune support. This is something I'll consider seriously, since I'm always way below my 30% daily protein goal. To get protein in without going up on carbs/fats, he suggested just mixing whey powder with water.
-Scoop of whey protein
-12 oz iced water
-1/2 banana
-3/4 cup blueberries

8. 90-120 oz filtered water to clean out the system. Ryan recommended drinking 16 oz upon waking, then 16 oz with each meal (assuming 4 meals), which will bring you up to 80 oz. Then drink water at other times to make up the balance.

He mentioned that the latest research shows the value of adding fresh cut limes to water -- the limes create an alkaline environment which cancer cells cannot thrive in. He said he's still learning more about this area, but even if it's nascent research, adding limes will add a nice refreshing taste, which is perfect for summer. I already do it with club soda, and it makes a huge difference in getting me to drink more water.

9. Comprehensive multivitamin/multimineral (B-complex 200-500% RDA) --> serves as an insurance card to make up for whatever nutrients we don't consume on a regular basis

10. 1 gram of EPA fish oil via supplement --> reduce inflammation

11. 2000-3000 IU vitamin D via supplement --> cancer prevention

12. Calcium (1200mg)/Magnesium (500mg) supplement --> bone health

In looking at this list, I was thinking what a challenge it'd be to do this every day! But the purpose of this is not to make us feel guilty or fearful we'll have bad health if we don't follow it regularly. I think the more important point is the importance of eating mindfully and eating for longevity. What that looks like will be different for everyone, so you can choose to incorporate some of the elements above, or include none of them as well. Whatever suits you!

So that is it! I definitely learned a lot of valuable info, and it's motivated me to learn more about nutrition so that I can live a longer and healthier life. That's always worth raising a glass to! Cheers, and I wish you the best on your nutrition journey! :drinker:

rachmaree

Thanks for sharing the latest info from your consult with Ryan! Really appreciate this thread you started. Although organic stuff is super expensive here, at least I have the local Farmers Market on Friday... I found avocados again last week

rnroadrunner

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VixFit2011

i'm averse to any type of pills, so he said if i didn't want to take them, another option is a fish oil supplement made by a company named Coromega, and it comes in gel form in flavors such as orange and lemon/lime. it's actually in the top 10 vitamin/supplements in amazon.com, so i just ordered 2 boxes - will let you know how that goes!


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I use Coromega and it's great and my doctor said it's a good item. I like the lime flavor the best. It doesn't have fishy aftertaste or burping. I've been using it for about 3 years. Explore their website for more info and variety of products.

PJilly

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AmandaHammill

INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF SPORTS NUTRITION says:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2575187/?tool=pubmed


SUMMARY:

The scientific literature associated with nutrient timing is an extremely popular, and thus ever-changing, area of research. Upon reviewing the available literature, the following conclusions can be drawn at this point in time:

• Prolonged exercise (> 60 – 90 min) of moderate to high intensity exercise will deplete the internal stores of energy, and prudent timing of nutrient delivery can help offset these changes.

• During intense exercise, regular consumption (10 – 15 fl oz.) of CHO/electrolyte solution delivering 6 – 8% CHO (6 – 8 g CHO/100 ml fluid) should be consumed every 15 – 20 min to sustain blood glucose levels.

• Glucose, fructose, sucrose and other high-glycemic CHO sources are easily digested, but fructose consumption should be minimized as it is absorbed at a slower rate and increases the likelihood of gastrointestinal problems.

• The addition of PRO (0.15 – 0.25 g PRO/kg/day) to CHO at all time points, especially post-exercise, is well tolerated and may promote greater restoration of muscle glycogen.

• Ingestion of 6 – 20 grams of EAAs and 30 – 40 grams of high-glycemic CHO within three hours after an exercise bout and immediately before exercise have been shown to significantly stimulate muscle PRO synthesis.

• Daily post-exercise ingestion of a CHO + PRO supplement promotes greater increases in strength and improvements in lean tissue and body fat % during regular resistance training.

• Milk PRO sources (e.g. whey and casein) exhibit different kinetic digestion patterns and may subsequently differ in their support of training adaptations.

• Addition of Cr to a CHO + PRO supplement in conjunction with regular resistance training facilitates greater improvements in strength and body composition as compared with when no Cr is consumed.

• Dietary focus should center on adequate availability and delivery of CHO and PRO. However, including small amounts of fat does not appear to be harmful, and may help to control glycemic responses during exercise.

• Irrespective of timing, regular ingestion of snacks or meals providing both CHO and PRO (3: 1 CHO: PRO ratio) helps to promote recovery and replenishment of muscle glycogen.

Thanks for posting the results of a systematic review of the literature. For those unfamiliar with health research methodology, a systematic review is the result of an exhaustive search of the literature, followed by an analysis which takes into account the various types of studies being included (less weight given to research conducted under less stringent research methodologies) so that when results are summarized such as above you are looking at the results of more than one study combined in a statistically sound and scientific manner. Whenever looking for health research it is always best to see if there has been a systematic review done on the topic of interest rather than trying to root through various studies (many of which have been poorly done, or do not have a true comparison group, or a large enough population to provide the 'truths' that other people - like websites - attribute to them)

AmandaHammill

INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF SPORTS NUTRITION says:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2575187/?tool=pubmed


SUMMARY:

The scientific literature associated with nutrient timing is an extremely popular, and thus ever-changing, area of research. Upon reviewing the available literature, the following conclusions can be drawn at this point in time:

• Prolonged exercise (> 60 – 90 min) of moderate to high intensity exercise will deplete the internal stores of energy, and prudent timing of nutrient delivery can help offset these changes.

• During intense exercise, regular consumption (10 – 15 fl oz.) of CHO/electrolyte solution delivering 6 – 8% CHO (6 – 8 g CHO/100 ml fluid) should be consumed every 15 – 20 min to sustain blood glucose levels.

• Glucose, fructose, sucrose and other high-glycemic CHO sources are easily digested, but fructose consumption should be minimized as it is absorbed at a slower rate and increases the likelihood of gastrointestinal problems.

• The addition of PRO (0.15 – 0.25 g PRO/kg/day) to CHO at all time points, especially post-exercise, is well tolerated and may promote greater restoration of muscle glycogen.

• Ingestion of 6 – 20 grams of EAAs and 30 – 40 grams of high-glycemic CHO within three hours after an exercise bout and immediately before exercise have been shown to significantly stimulate muscle PRO synthesis.

• Daily post-exercise ingestion of a CHO + PRO supplement promotes greater increases in strength and improvements in lean tissue and body fat % during regular resistance training.

• Milk PRO sources (e.g. whey and casein) exhibit different kinetic digestion patterns and may subsequently differ in their support of training adaptations.

• Addition of Cr to a CHO + PRO supplement in conjunction with regular resistance training facilitates greater improvements in strength and body composition as compared with when no Cr is consumed.

• Dietary focus should center on adequate availability and delivery of CHO and PRO. However, including small amounts of fat does not appear to be harmful, and may help to control glycemic responses during exercise.

• Irrespective of timing, regular ingestion of snacks or meals providing both CHO and PRO (3: 1 CHO: PRO ratio) helps to promote recovery and replenishment of muscle glycogen.

Thanks for posting the results of a systematic review of the literature. For those unfamiliar with health research methodology, a systematic review is the result of an exhaustive search of the literature, followed by an analysis which takes into account the various types of studies being included (less weight given to research conducted under less stringent research methodologies) so that when results are summarized such as above you are looking at the results of more than one study combined in a statistically sound and scientific manner. Whenever looking for health research it is always best to see if there has been a systematic review done on the topic of interest rather than trying to root through various studies (many of which have been poorly done, or do not have a true comparison group, or a large enough population to provide the 'truths' that other people - like websites - attribute to them)

Just to add to my comment above, I just went to the pub-med article posted above and realized that it is a position statement from the ISSN, and not a systematic review, although what they have based their statement on when possible is the results of systematic review research so it is a fairly strongly supported statement...so, if you are *really* interested in reading *why* they have that position, go to article and look at the reference list which is to the right of the article. The research that says 'review' beside it is the stuff that informs their position.

Minnie_Moo

Thanks for sharing this with us.......

KellyBurton1

Thanks for sharing!:happy:

TourThePast

Interesting reports and I'm enjoying the discussions too.

I realise those supplements are graded by order of importance, but does he really intend you to take a daily multivitamin (which presumably contains your full RDA of Vitamin D) and also take Vitamin D supplements as well? Vitamin D is stored in the body, and an overdose is as serious as a deficiency.

He mentioned that the latest research shows the value of adding fresh cut limes to water -- the limes create an alkaline environment which cancer cells cannot thrive in.

Limes are acid, not alkaline, so I'm struggling to find a way in which that makes sense. Besides, it's hard to imagine how adding fresh cut limes to water could significantly affect the pH level of the stomach which already, and necessarily, contains extremely strong hydrochloric acid.