Considering Atkins
Replies
-
I love how you write about me "really" being an archaeologist though,
Yes really, what does being an archaeologist have to do with anything, you brought this up on another thread?
I bring it up only the way someone might say they have a degree in human development or veterinary medicine....it means that you don't work in nutrition specifically but you have a working knowledge of anatomy and the way the body functions, which is a big step up from a lot of other people on this website.0 -
Thanks I over looked that. Does the American Journal of Medicine routinely allow articles in, that have been corrupted by a monied interest?
And is this your definition of a unrestricted grant too?
http://www.ventureline.com/accounting-glossary/U/unrestricted-grant-definition/
I don't know, these grant things get complicated.
Many different entities fund research for various reasons, and it does not necessarily mean there is a bias. But you never get to see the contract that the researcher has to sign, so you do not know the actual details, if there are restrictions on what they can publish or disclose, and how they have to set up their study. As I tell my students any moron can collect data and show something, but that does not imply that it increases our actual understanding of a topic.
And there is always the implied thread of no future funding, which will bias a researchers publishing. Thus it is always useful to see who funded it, and what the funding partner's goal is. This, by the way, is not the case with government funding, there is no restriction on what you can publish or disclose, and no thread of no future funding. They mainly count productivity of what you did with your funding. That's why we need government funding for research; industry will only fund research where they pretty much know what they are going to find out, or hide any results that they do not like. Endless cases of this in the medical field, where a lot of money is involved with research.
But, to sum it up, very often the granting place does imply restrictions on what can be done, published and cannot be done and published. The journal requirements have gotten much stricter in the last 5-10 years, because of these conflict issues. The tobacco sponsored research is the obvious example. So, it is getting much better lately. I have to fill out endless conflict disclosure forms for the University of any potential bias and the same for most journals these days. And I work in ecology, where financial stakes and conflicts are not present.
The American Journal of medicine is a good journal, but lots of crap gets published in peer reviewed journals too. Much better is to use something like Google scholar to see citations for an article and see if other researchers actually use the information published. That’s increasingly the standard used to evaluate literature. I do that for stuff in my field, but there is no way I can keep up with diet related research, so I only skim the better articles out there.
Anyhow, like I said, whatever works for you is fine. And I do wish we had more independent long term diet research. So far I am mainly impressed with the nurse study and have mainly relied on their results.
http://www.channing.harvard.edu/nhs/index.php/history/0 -
Like I said I will let the reader here decide.
[/quote]
So yes, to follow up on this I agree, it is up to the reader to decide. This study changed both calorie intake and carb intake. So there is no way to separate them. One, or both matter.
But then that's the problem with many weight loss studies sponsored by specific places, Like the Atkins Institute here. Basic science research 101 is you change one item at a time, then you can determine if this factor matters. But, it is easy to manipulate research by setting it up like this, manipulating two, and I am sure that the Atkins Institute has an agenda.
In total, there is clear evidence that reducing calorie intake leads to weight loss. Basic Biology and Chemistry. I have not seen a single study, competently done that supports that Carb restriction does anything better than calorie restriction.
But the bottom line is what works for you is fine, use Atkins of you can stay with this diet to loose weight. Losing weight is clearly the key factor.
And lastly Grokette, we have been online about the same time, and have argued before. I posted my stats about my change using my calorie reduction approach. I am interested how your diet approach works. What are your results after 6 months?
[/quote]
I've posted a link to a meta study that suggests exactly that among regimes, low carbohydrate ones may get better results than high carb/low fat. Of course, this presupposes reducing calorie intake. I think you are introducing a red herring. Because it isn's low carb+no calorie counting vs high carb/low fat/calorie counting. Even atkins said calories are important in weight loss.
And again, not everyone is created equal when it comes to digesting carbohydrates, as the mere existence of diabetics points out.0 -
Where have you posted our stats on calorie reduction Lodro, I'm interested to see ... thank you!0
-
I don't know, these grant things get complicated.
Many different entities fund research for various reasons, and it does not necessarily mean there is a bias. But you never get to see the contract that the researcher has to sign, so you do not know the actual details, if there are restrictions on what they can publish or disclose, and how they have to set up their study. As I tell my students any moron can collect data and show something, but that does not imply that it increases our actual understanding of a topic.
And there is always the implied thread of no future funding, which will bias a researchers publishing. Thus it is always useful to see who funded it, and what the funding partner's goal is. This, by the way, is not the case with government funding, there is no restriction on what you can publish or disclose, and no thread of no future funding. They mainly count productivity of what you did with your funding. That's why we need government funding for research; industry will only fund research where they pretty much know what they are going to find out, or hide any results that they do not like. Endless cases of this in the medical field, where a lot of money is involved with research.
But, to sum it up, very often the granting place does imply restrictions on what can be done, published and cannot be done and published. The journal requirements have gotten much stricter in the last 5-10 years, because of these conflict issues. The tobacco sponsored research is the obvious example. So, it is getting much better lately. I have to fill out endless conflict disclosure forms for the University of any potential bias and the same for most journals these days. And I work in ecology, where financial stakes and conflicts are not present.
The American Journal of medicine is a good journal, but lots of crap gets published in peer reviewed journals too. Much better is to use something like Google scholar to see citations for an article and see if other researchers actually use the information published. That’s increasingly the standard used to evaluate literature. I do that for stuff in my field, but there is no way I can keep up with diet related research, so I only skim the better articles out there.
Anyhow, like I said, whatever works for you is fine. And I do wish we had more independent long term diet research. So far I am mainly impressed with the nurse study and have mainly relied on their results.
This is all quite true--in academia a researcher lives and dies by grants and the prominence of his/her work is weighed by citations: even if it's cited as poor research :-)
One of the arguments in Gary Taubes book Good calories Bad calories addressed this very issue; he spent six years researching the body of work behind nutrition and human physiology. Now, the goal of a business is to make money and it just makes good business sense to use every avenue at your disposal to accomplish that. That includes funding research, and here's an example of one company's mission statement with respect to funding: "Cargill's Higher Education Initiative seeks to build mutually beneficial relationships with key schools that provide measurable value to Cargill businesses. Our primary objective is to increase Cargill's access to the best people and ideas relevant to our business' future by supporting projects with strategic grants at select schools."
I'm not going to get into the ethics of funding by corporations for research that ultimately benefits them; we live in a capitalist and democratic society where everyone has the freedom to learn about and make choices based on information that is out there if only the time is taken to investigate. If a multi-national food producer like (for example) General Mills (& Bell Institute) funds a study to determine if their cereal is healthy, it's up to the reader to conclude whether they feel the integrity of the researcher has been compromised by accepting money to undertake the study, whether or not a conflict of interest has been declared. The problem with research is that (1) the hypothesis may (appear to) be skewed toward finding in favour of the funding body and, (2) how many researchers have later stepped up and said he/she drew the wrong conclusion from a result?
Cargill is a the largest privately held corporation in the U.S., with USD$107 billion in revenues, a key player in the global food market, and most people have likely never heard of it even though the company has its fingers in almost everything from the farmgate to the grocery shelf. I'm going to pick on them here but they are only one example of how business decisions rather than our health have come to affect how we eat. An interesting report is here: http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/reports/cargill-a-threat-to-food-and-farming/ I wouldn't suggest there's a conspiracy between business and government that ends up furthering the business and/or financial interests of corporations or individuals; however, maybe we should be wary and aware of the 'why' when being told something is 'good for you'.
Regarding the nurses study, this is what Taubes had to say--he's talking about the Nurses Health Study. Run by Harvard epidemioloist Walter Willet, it tracked nearly 89,000 nurses around the country beginning in 1982 looking for a connection between fat and breast cancer. What it found has not gotten a lot of press.
p. 73
In 1999, the Harvard researchers published fourteen years of observations. By then almost three thousand nurses had contracted breast cancer, and the data still suggested that eating fatty foods (even those with copious saturated fat) might protect against cancer. For every 5 percent of saturated-fat calories that replaced carbohydrates in the diet, the risk of breast cancer decreased by 9 percent. This certainly argued against the hypothesis that excessive fat consumption caused breast cancer0 -
I need to clear something up, I by no means am trying to suggest that any study is without fault, that any study is the definitive answer, that I believe the Harvard study is without bias. I’m as skeptical as the next conspiracy theorist. My one and only goal was to put the L in the Lie that there are no “Scientific Studies” out there in support of the Atkins diet. There are many. Trust them, don’t trust them, but don’t come on here and lie about there being no studies.0
-
I love how you write about me "really" being an archaeologist though,
Yes really, what does being an archaeologist have to do with anything, you brought this up on another thread?
I bring it up only the way someone might say they have a degree in human development or veterinary medicine....it means that you don't work in nutrition specifically but you have a working knowledge of anatomy and the way the body functions, which is a big step up from a lot of other people on this website.
The question still stands, not withstanding your self proclaimed greater knowledge of human physiology, than the average person here. How many hours of nutrition did you take to earn your degree, how many anatomy classes did you take, how many biology classes did you take?0 -
WOW! I have to say this thread is crazy! I just wanted some advice and boy did I get it
So, if anyone wants to know my plan here it is....
I have decided to eat whole foods with the ocasional treat like icecream or a candy bar. I wouldn't say I am going Primal, but if you want to put a name to it I think that one would fit the best. I plan to eat veggies, protein, and fruit. I will probably eat some bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes but not often because I do not like the stuffed feeling I get afterwards. I CANNOT say no to chocolate forever, so it will be my little treat once in awhile. The same goes with Campfire Mochas from Caribou coffee (you do not want to know the nutritional info for that). I will still log my food, but I will eat til I am full and if that means more than 1200 calories a day then so be it. I will probably run or walk a mile or two a day and do a little strength training a few times a week.
Here is what I think a typical day would be like for me....
Breakfast:
2 boiled eggs
1 cup of watermelon (my fave fruit) or 1/2 cup of berries
maybe a serving of bacon??
lunch:
salad with grilled chicken with (not sure what to do for dressing yet) topped with almonds and a boiled egg
OR
flounder filet with broccoli (my fave lunch ever!)
supper:
pork, chicken, or fish with asaragas or broccoli
snacks:
nuts, berries, and veggies
treat:
skinny cow icecream or something like that
So, what do yall think? This is not set in stone I was just thinking this sonds like the kind of meals I like to eat.
*THOSE WHO ARE PRIMAL EATERS* Does this sound like a good way to eat for primal? Also, can you help me figure out a dressing that I can buy or make that would be good on salads that sticks to primal? I like ranch, italian, as well as dressings found at japanese steakhouses. I DO NOT like bluecheese or thousand island. Thanks in advance!0 -
Oh and those who are primal please add me as a friend so I can learn from yall! :blushing:
Ok what the hell...I will say it...I am going to go Primal!0 -
WOW! I have to say this thread is crazy! I just wanted some advice and boy did I get it
So, if anyone wants to know my plan here it is....
I have decided to eat whole foods with the ocasional treat like icecream or a candy bar. I wouldn't say I am going Primal, but if you want to put a name to it I think that one would fit the best. I plan to eat veggies, protein, and fruit. I will probably eat some bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes but not often because I do not like the stuffed feeling I get afterwards. I CANNOT say no to chocolate forever, so it will be my little treat once in awhile. The same goes with Campfire Mochas from Caribou coffee (you do not want to know the nutritional info for that). I will still log my food, but I will eat til I am full and if that means more than 1200 calories a day then so be it. I will probably run or walk a mile or two a day and do a little strength training a few times a week.
Here is what I think a typical day would be like for me....
Breakfast:
2 boiled eggs
1 cup of watermelon (my fave fruit) or 1/2 cup of berries
maybe a serving of bacon??
lunch:
salad with grilled chicken with (not sure what to do for dressing yet) topped with almonds and a boiled egg
OR
flounder filet with broccoli (my fave lunch ever!)
supper:
pork, chicken, or fish with asaragas or broccoli
snacks:
nuts, berries, and veggies
treat:
skinny cow icecream or something like that
So, what do yall think? This is not set in stone I was just thinking this sonds like the kind of meals I like to eat.
*THOSE WHO ARE PRIMAL EATERS* Does this sound like a good way to eat for primal? Also, can you help me figure out a dressing that I can buy or make that would be good on salads that sticks to primal? I like ranch, italian, as well as dressings found at japanese steakhouses. I DO NOT like bluecheese or thousand island. Thanks in advance!
Looks like a great start, for dressing you can make your own Italian with olive oil.
come on over to
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/232749-palelo-support-group
for more information0 -
Ok thank you!0
-
WOW! I have to say this thread is crazy! I just wanted some advice and boy did I get it
So, if anyone wants to know my plan here it is....
I have decided to eat whole foods with the ocasional treat like icecream or a candy bar. I wouldn't say I am going Primal, but if you want to put a name to it I think that one would fit the best. I plan to eat veggies, protein, and fruit. I will probably eat some bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes but not often because I do not like the stuffed feeling I get afterwards. I CANNOT say no to chocolate forever, so it will be my little treat once in awhile. The same goes with Campfire Mochas from Caribou coffee (you do not want to know the nutritional info for that). I will still log my food, but I will eat til I am full and if that means more than 1200 calories a day then so be it. I will probably run or walk a mile or two a day and do a little strength training a few times a week.
Here is what I think a typical day would be like for me....
Breakfast:
2 boiled eggs
1 cup of watermelon (my fave fruit) or 1/2 cup of berries
maybe a serving of bacon??
lunch:
salad with grilled chicken with (not sure what to do for dressing yet) topped with almonds and a boiled egg
OR
flounder filet with broccoli (my fave lunch ever!)
supper:
pork, chicken, or fish with asaragas or broccoli
snacks:
nuts, berries, and veggies
treat:
skinny cow icecream or something like that
So, what do yall think? This is not set in stone I was just thinking this sonds like the kind of meals I like to eat.
*THOSE WHO ARE PRIMAL EATERS* Does this sound like a good way to eat for primal? Also, can you help me figure out a dressing that I can buy or make that would be good on salads that sticks to primal? I like ranch, italian, as well as dressings found at japanese steakhouses. I DO NOT like bluecheese or thousand island. Thanks in advance!
Sounds like a healthy approach! I mostly just eat meat, eggs, fruit, and veggies myself- but I have chocolate several times a week. I buy organic dark chocolate (like 88% cocoa). Your overall menu plan looks good. Of course, indulging in "non-primal" treats is fine, but I would recommend steering away from major processed choices like Skinny Cow (lots of chemicals). And really, on a Primal or likewise eating plan dietary fat is not the enemy- so I would suggest when you want ice cream, find an all natural brand. (Look on the label- the fewer ingredients the better!) Or better yet- make your own! It can be really fun, and you can find recipes by googling
Hope this helps and good luck to you!0 -
WOW! I have to say this thread is crazy! I just wanted some advice and boy did I get it
So, if anyone wants to know my plan here it is....
I have decided to eat whole foods with the ocasional treat like icecream or a candy bar. I wouldn't say I am going Primal, but if you want to put a name to it I think that one would fit the best. I plan to eat veggies, protein, and fruit. I will probably eat some bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes but not often because I do not like the stuffed feeling I get afterwards. I CANNOT say no to chocolate forever, so it will be my little treat once in awhile. The same goes with Campfire Mochas from Caribou coffee (you do not want to know the nutritional info for that). I will still log my food, but I will eat til I am full and if that means more than 1200 calories a day then so be it. I will probably run or walk a mile or two a day and do a little strength training a few times a week.
Here is what I think a typical day would be like for me....
Breakfast:
2 boiled eggs
1 cup of watermelon (my fave fruit) or 1/2 cup of berries
maybe a serving of bacon??
lunch:
salad with grilled chicken with (not sure what to do for dressing yet) topped with almonds and a boiled egg
OR
flounder filet with broccoli (my fave lunch ever!)
supper:
pork, chicken, or fish with asaragas or broccoli
snacks:
nuts, berries, and veggies
treat:
skinny cow icecream or something like that
So, what do yall think? This is not set in stone I was just thinking this sonds like the kind of meals I like to eat.
*THOSE WHO ARE PRIMAL EATERS* Does this sound like a good way to eat for primal? Also, can you help me figure out a dressing that I can buy or make that would be good on salads that sticks to primal? I like ranch, italian, as well as dressings found at japanese steakhouses. I DO NOT like bluecheese or thousand island. Thanks in advance!
Sounds like a healthy approach! I mostly just eat meat, eggs, fruit, and veggies myself- but I have chocolate several times a week. I buy organic dark chocolate (like 88% cocoa). Your overall menu plan looks good. Of course, indulging in "non-primal" treats is fine, but I would recommend steering away from major processed choices like Skinny Cow (lots of chemicals). And really, on a Primal or likewise eating plan dietary fat is not the enemy- so I would suggest when you want ice cream, find an all natural brand. (Look on the label- the fewer ingredients the better!) Or better yet- make your own! It can be really fun, and you can find recipes by googling
Hope this helps and good luck to you!
OK that makes sense. Thank you!0 -
To the OP:
Follow whatever diet works for you. Change your lifestyle.
If you are going to try Atkins, follow the plan to a T!
If Atkins is not for you, move on but never give up! It's not that a plan fails, it's that a person fails to be able to follow a specific plan and THAT IS OK. Not every diet is meant for every single person....which is obvious from the different posts on this site.
But know that on the internet, opinions are like arseholes....everyones got one....but not all of them may apply to YOU. :flowerforyou:0 -
To the OP:
Follow whatever diet works for you. Change your lifestyle.
If you are going to try Atkins, follow the plan to a T!
If Atkins is not for you, move on but never give up! It's not that a plan fails, it's that a person fails to be able to follow a specific plan and THAT IS OK. Not every diet is meant for every single person....which is obvious from the different posts on this site.
But know that on the internet, opinions are like arseholes....everyones got one....but not all of them may apply to YOU. :flowerforyou:
Best and most polite and respectful post on here:)) Full of all the info you need:)) LOVE it!!0 -
WOW! I have to say this thread is crazy! I just wanted some advice and boy did I get it
So, if anyone wants to know my plan here it is....
I have decided to eat whole foods with the ocasional treat like icecream or a candy bar. I wouldn't say I am going Primal, but if you want to put a name to it I think that one would fit the best. I plan to eat veggies, protein, and fruit. I will probably eat some bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes but not often because I do not like the stuffed feeling I get afterwards. I CANNOT say no to chocolate forever, so it will be my little treat once in awhile. The same goes with Campfire Mochas from Caribou coffee (you do not want to know the nutritional info for that). I will still log my food, but I will eat til I am full and if that means more than 1200 calories a day then so be it. I will probably run or walk a mile or two a day and do a little strength training a few times a week.
Here is what I think a typical day would be like for me....
Breakfast:
2 boiled eggs
1 cup of watermelon (my fave fruit) or 1/2 cup of berries
maybe a serving of bacon??
lunch:
salad with grilled chicken with (not sure what to do for dressing yet) topped with almonds and a boiled egg
OR
flounder filet with broccoli (my fave lunch ever!)
supper:
pork, chicken, or fish with asaragas or broccoli
snacks:
nuts, berries, and veggies
treat:
skinny cow icecream or something like that
So, what do yall think? This is not set in stone I was just thinking this sonds like the kind of meals I like to eat.
*THOSE WHO ARE PRIMAL EATERS* Does this sound like a good way to eat for primal? Also, can you help me figure out a dressing that I can buy or make that would be good on salads that sticks to primal? I like ranch, italian, as well as dressings found at japanese steakhouses. I DO NOT like bluecheese or thousand island. Thanks in advance!
Glad you were able to come to a conclusion that works for you:)) I think other than all the negativity that unfortunately came from this thread, both sides presented a good arguement (IMHO), and provided us information that allows all of us to be able to weigh the pros and cons to this lifestyle appraoch. Good luck
I sincerely wish you the best :flowerforyou:0 -
all the meat eggs and cheese I can eat? count me in ........
NOT
enjoy having a stroke
Apart from the theme of "do what works for you", it would be great if people supplied some facts to back up this kind of statement. Give us a study that conclusively shows Atkins leads to higher incidence of stroke.
Oh, someone at Beth Israel Deaconess in Boston did a 12 week study on mice (who normally don't eat high protein diets anyway), and someone at Oxford did a study that suggests higher incidence of heart disease.
But other studies have shown that blood pressure and bad cholesterol go down for some low carb dieters.
A lot of people mistakenly thought that Atkins and other low carb regimes called for "low carb, high fat", so that you could eat all the bacon and cheese and lard and chicken skins that you wanted. That's not really the right approach. You should eat mostly protein, plus low-carb veggies, plus plenty of fiber (Scandinavian high fiber crackers, for example). Keep eating fruit. You probably will remain healthy, unless you do some kind of extreme zero-carb regime which is a bad idea for most of us.
I loved being on a low carb diet, but it was just too tempting to eat carbs. You're at a wedding, and they hand you a plate of the most delicious wedding cake ever made, and you say no thank you, I'm low carbing it??? No way. I much prefer the caloric approach of MFP where I make sure to work out for an hour or so before the wedding, then I can pig out!
5-12-2011 10 lbs down, 25 to go!0 -
Hi your choice. If this is the way that works for you to lose weight, go for it.
But, all that the supporters have shown so far are references to crappy misleading websites that inflate some crappy misleading studies. And sorry, I do not have the time to research every mention of an article. In total, there is nothing conclusive published that Atkins/Paleo/Primal is any better than plain counting calories, and based on our understanding of biology, worse for cholesterol and better for glucose.
So, how about a challenge? Below are my numbers from the last six months, just counting calories with a weight loss goal of 1lb per week. I think there are enough Atkins/Paleo/Primal people posting here. What are your numbers like? Show me that they are better than mine.
Weight loss, I started in Oct 2010 and am about done (note weekly goal of 1 lb changed to 0.5 lb in April.)
Oct 2010 8 lb
Nov 2010 8 lb
Dec 2010 7 lb
Jan 2011 6 lb
Feb 2011 3 lb
Mar 2011 1 lb
Apr 2011 4 lb
Oct 2010 May 2011
Weight 194 lb 154 lb
BMI 28 22
Glucose 136 105
AIC 6.0 5.8
Cholesterol 178 168
HDL 42 62
LDL 88 88
Triglycerides 247 95
In total for me (in 6 months):
BMI decreased by 21%
Glucose decreased 23%
AIC decreased 3%
Cholesterol decreased 6%
HDL increased 48%
LDL no change
Triglycerides decreased 62%0 -
And again, still you have missed the reference to the meta study that I posted, especially for you. Nothing crappy or misleading about that. perhaps you're not so science-minded after all...0
-
I'll quote myself then.0 -
Spectacular results, jknops2! Especially on the bloodwork those are great, positive changes.
For me, I can only give body composition change:
04/19/10
268lbs
28%bf
35.4 BMI
05/13/11
212.8
23.1%bf
28.1 BMI
In the same time, I've added 150lbs to my squats and deadlifts, and 100lbs to my overhead press and bench press at over 2lbs added per week. I know you are not tracking that here, just a personal accomplishment 0 -
Ok, mellow a bit please. A couple of points.
1. This is a meta-analysis, I have done those, but there are limitations with this analysis. They are often done if there a mixed results in different studies. But the studies included in this analyses are all based on small and inconclusive studies and this is not much better. (putting 10 piles of crap together, just gives you a really big pile of crap). I think the researchers are overstating their findings, but they do raise the point that they do not understand what causes the heterogeneity in the studies included. That is key, I think, why do some people on certain diets restrictions do well and other ones not. But then you need a lot more data, on exercise, fiber intake, alcohol intake, smoking, etc. This can be done with large studies, but not studies with small sample sizes and this meta-analysis is based on this.
2. There are a number of other articles showing that there is no difference, are showing increased health risk associated with low carb diets. That’s my main point, there is no consensus on this topic, and at best it is marginally better, and most likely it is no different than just calories in and out.
3. Do note that this study compares low carb/high protein versus low fat diets. I think that focusing only on either low fat or low carb is not well supported. Calories in and calories out, bring you weight down into a healthy range is the key factor to decrease all kind of health issues. That's much more important, than how you actually do it. I think, we can all agree about this.
To conclude this, I think the end conclusion of the following paper says it best:
Busetto, Marangon & De Stefano. High-protein low-carbohydrate diets: what is the rationale? Diabetes Metabolism Research and Reviews (2011) 27: 230-232.
"In conclusion, all types of diets inducing an energy deficit may be effective for short-term weight loss, regardless of their composition. To increase the protein content of the diet and/or to reduce the carbohydrate load may produce both favourable and unfavourable metabolic effects in comparison with conventional low-fat diets. These differences are anyway small. Concerns about longterm safety do not suggest the promotion of high-protein low-fat diet as a component of a lifestyle modification programme, whereas safe low-fat diets have proven longterm benefits."0 -
WOW! I have to say this thread is crazy! I just wanted some advice and boy did I get it
So, if anyone wants to know my plan here it is....
I have decided to eat whole foods with the ocasional treat like icecream or a candy bar. I wouldn't say I am going Primal, but if you want to put a name to it I think that one would fit the best. I plan to eat veggies, protein, and fruit. I will probably eat some bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes but not often because I do not like the stuffed feeling I get afterwards. I CANNOT say no to chocolate forever, so it will be my little treat once in awhile. The same goes with Campfire Mochas from Caribou coffee (you do not want to know the nutritional info for that). I will still log my food, but I will eat til I am full and if that means more than 1200 calories a day then so be it. I will probably run or walk a mile or two a day and do a little strength training a few times a week.
Here is what I think a typical day would be like for me....
Breakfast:
2 boiled eggs
1 cup of watermelon (my fave fruit) or 1/2 cup of berries
maybe a serving of bacon??
lunch:
salad with grilled chicken with (not sure what to do for dressing yet) topped with almonds and a boiled egg
OR
flounder filet with broccoli (my fave lunch ever!)
supper:
pork, chicken, or fish with asaragas or broccoli
snacks:
nuts, berries, and veggies
treat:
skinny cow icecream or something like that
So, what do yall think? This is not set in stone I was just thinking this sonds like the kind of meals I like to eat.
*THOSE WHO ARE PRIMAL EATERS* Does this sound like a good way to eat for primal? Also, can you help me figure out a dressing that I can buy or make that would be good on salads that sticks to primal? I like ranch, italian, as well as dressings found at japanese steakhouses. I DO NOT like bluecheese or thousand island. Thanks in advance!
Yes Bethany...what did you start there haha! I am so pleased you have come to a decision and it looks pretty healthy overall. You and I are eating pretty similar but i dont follow any single stupid diet or give it a name - I just call it HEALTHY!! I have a gluten intollerance so I too restrict breads, pastas etc (anything with gluten in really) but I still have them if I want them - just not often. I still love my potatoes and I cannot give them up. I swear the only thing that has kept me healthy the last 3 months is my occassional treat (chocolate, jellies, crisps...oh crisps) I will not start to feel guilty for eating because then things have gone too far! If you find you don't like eating that way you can change it and don't ever let anybody tell you how to eat. At the end of the day it is a source of fuel and as long as we give our bodies what it needs; it will keep us happy. Learn how to listen to it because NOBODY else can hear what is going on inside.
You are more than welcome to add me for support if you like. I wish you the best of luck in your journey x0 -
Hi your choice. If this is the way that works for you to lose weight, go for it.
But, all that the supporters have shown so far are references to crappy misleading websites that inflate some crappy misleading studies. And sorry, I do not have the time to research every mention of an article. In total, there is nothing conclusive published that Atkins/Paleo/Primal is any better than plain counting calories, and based on our understanding of biology, worse for cholesterol and better for glucose.
So, how about a challenge? Below are my numbers from the last six months, just counting calories with a weight loss goal of 1lb per week. I think there are enough Atkins/Paleo/Primal people posting here. What are your numbers like? Show me that they are better than mine.
Weight loss, I started in Oct 2010 and am about done (note weekly goal of 1 lb changed to 0.5 lb in April.)
Oct 2010 8 lb
Nov 2010 8 lb
Dec 2010 7 lb
Jan 2011 6 lb
Feb 2011 3 lb
Mar 2011 1 lb
Apr 2011 4 lb
Oct 2010 May 2011
Weight 194 lb 154 lb
BMI 28 22
Glucose 136 105
AIC 6.0 5.8
Cholesterol 178 168
HDL 42 62
LDL 88 88
Triglycerides 247 95
In total for me (in 6 months):
BMI decreased by 21%
Glucose decreased 23%
AIC decreased 3%
Cholesterol decreased 6%
HDL increased 48%
LDL no change
Triglycerides decreased 62%
I don't have any blood work to show, but my weight loss has been
Jan1- 2011 264
May9- 2011 229
35 pounds in less than 5 months
In the same time frame I have increased in all of my weight lifting movements too.
I will have blood work done this summer some time when I do my next check up.0 -
But, all that the supporters have shown so far are references to crappy misleading websites that inflate some crappy misleading studies. And sorry, I do not have the time to research every mention of an article. In total, there is nothing conclusive published that Atkins/Paleo/Primal is any better than plain counting calories, and based on our understanding of biology, worse for cholesterol and better for glucose.
So we go from “no scientific studies” to well their just crappy misleading studies. Nice! Why don’t you take the time this weekend, and read the studies and then tell us why they are crappy studies.0 -
OK, there are a lot of replies that I'm not going to take the time to read. But I'm on a low carb diet. Not true Atkins, but almost. You have to be aware of what's in every food b/c there are hidden carbs everywhere. Stay away from Atkins foods or any foods that claim a "net carb" content, as they may not be as low carb as they claim. Also remember that foods don't have to publish the true carb content if a serving has less than 1 gram, so some may say zero when they are not. If you have 2-3 servings, you'll need to find out how many you're eating. I try to keep my daily carbs around 20g.
And drink plenty of water. I'm talking more than the daily 8 glasses minimum. And you can steer clear of heavy, long duration cardio. A shorter, less intense cardio will be just fine. For regular dieters, it takes 10-20 mins to get into fat burning zone b/c they have to burn off their stores of glucose. We don't have any stores so the minute we start cardio, we're in the fat burning zone. Add some light to moderate weight training, and you're set!
Be prepared for intense cravings (for carbs) in the first week or so. Those will pass, trust me. This diet doesn't work for everyone, so pay attention to how you're feeling in the first 2-3 weeks. It works great for me but not for my husband. So if you're not feeling better with more energy, it may not be a good diet for your body. Good luck!0 -
OK, there are a lot of replies that I'm not going to take the time to read. But I'm on a low carb diet. Not true Atkins, but almost. You have to be aware of what's in every food b/c there are hidden carbs everywhere. Stay away from Atkins foods or any foods that claim a "net carb" content, as they may not be as low carb as they claim. Also remember that foods don't have to publish the true carb content if a serving has less than 1 gram, so some may say zero when they are not. If you have 2-3 servings, you'll need to find out how many you're eating. I try to keep my daily carbs around 20g.
And drink plenty of water. I'm talking more than the daily 8 glasses minimum. And you can steer clear of heavy, long duration cardio. A shorter, less intense cardio will be just fine. For regular dieters, it takes 10-20 mins to get into fat burning zone b/c they have to burn off their stores of glucose. We don't have any stores so the minute we start cardio, we're in the fat burning zone. Add some light to moderate weight training, and you're set!
Be prepared for intense cravings (for carbs) in the first week or so. Those will pass, trust me. This diet doesn't work for everyone, so pay attention to how you're feeling in the first 2-3 weeks. It works great for me but not for my husband. So if you're not feeling better with more energy, it may not be a good diet for your body. Good luck!
Awesomely Stated!!!!0 -
OK, there are a lot of replies that Iu'm not going to take the time to read. But I'm on a low carb diet. Not true Atkins, but almost. You have to be aware of what's in every food b/c there are hidden carbs everywhere. Stay away from Atkins foods or any foods that claim a "net carb" content, as they may not be as low carb as they claim. Also remember that foods don't have to publish the true carb content if a serving has less than 1 gram, so some may say zero when they are not. If you have 2-3 servings, you'll need to find out how many you're eating. I try to keep my daily carbs around 20g.
And drink plenty of water. I'm talking more than the daily 8 glasses minimum. And you can steer clear of heavy, long duration cardio. A shorter, less intense cardio will be just fine. For regular dieters, it takes 10-20 mins to get into fat burning zone b/c they have to burn off their stores of glucose. We don't have any stores so the minute we start cardio, we're in the fat burning zone. Add some light to moderate weight training, and you're set!
Be prepared for intense cravings (for carbs) in the first week or so. Those will pass, trust me. This diet doesn't work for everyone, so pay attention to how you're feeling in the first 2-3 weeks. It works great for me but not for my husband. So if you're not feeling better with more energy, it may not be a good diet for your body. Good luck!
LOVE it!!! Makes sense:))0 -
Just wanted to add I posted my 6 month results but also have shifted macro ratios around. Same caloric restriction overall but made up of different intake.
I found out, through trial and error, that for me (and perhaps me alone or perhaps others as well) going above about 30g non-vegetable carbs means I don't lose weight. Period. I can be at a 500 or 750 cal deficit each and every day throughout the week, but go above 30g carbs and poof, zero weight loss. I tested this for some time, and in fact taking my normal diet, subtracting 64 calories of fat/protein, and replacing whatever that was with a MGD64 (ultra-light beer) = 0 weight loss. I tried the same with Oreos (1 cookie is roughly 50 calories, 8 carbs). Both of these would bump me up from ~25 carbs daily to over 30, and both lead to 0 weight loss every time.
Again, that's just me. One instance out of billions.0 -
Just wanted to add I posted my 6 month results but also have shifted macro ratios around. Same caloric restriction overall but made up of different intake.
I found out, through trial and error, that for me (and perhaps me alone or perhaps others as well) going above about 30g non-vegetable carbs means I don't lose weight. Period. I can be at a 500 or 750 cal deficit each and every day throughout the week, but go above 30g carbs and poof, zero weight loss. I tested this for some time, and in fact taking my normal diet, subtracting 64 calories of fat/protein, and replacing whatever that was with a MGD64 (ultra-light beer) = 0 weight loss. I tried the same with Oreos (1 cookie is roughly 50 calories, 8 carbs). Both of these would bump me up from ~25 carbs daily to over 30, and both lead to 0 weight loss every time.
Again, that's just me. One instance out of billions.
WOW!!! That's very interesting!! Wonder why that is??? I've lowered my carbs drastically but could probably use another nudge:))0
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.2K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 421 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.7K MyFitnessPal Information
- 23 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions