everything in moderation? i respectfully disagree
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Babies are totally natural and organic. So...that's what I eat. I eat babies.0
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Babies are totally natural and organic. So...that's what I eat. I eat babies.
You know there are some ppl who do eat the placenta.................................:sick:0 -
I'd eat mine too but he farts too much, it'd put me right off!Babies are totally natural and organic. So...that's what I eat. I eat babies.
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I'd imagine that you advocate a holist approach to food and exercise. From that perspective, you're wrong to talk of your body simply as a machine that needs nutrients a,b and c, and must avoid chemicals d,e and f. You can't seperate the machine from the person inside it. You said that people eat for fuel. That's too simplistic. People eat for pleasure, for simple joie de vivre. If someone runs 10k and has a Snickers bar afterwards as a reward, that's absolutley great. The run and the Snickers bar, taken together, are a net win. It's not true to say that it would have been an even bigger win without the Snickers bar. It wouldn't.
I don't feel that your post was preachy. It was a good post, sincere and interesting. It was just a wee bit misguided
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oy vey. this question has been answered like 50 times.just curious... what's in that big drink you're holding? Looks like alchohol... hmmm I suppose that's healthy for you.
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it's really, really healthy to eat the placenta ;P you can have it dried and put into capsules. i will not go into any more details as i'm sure everyone here will start throwing up all over their computers.Babies are totally natural and organic. So...that's what I eat. I eat babies.
You know there are some ppl who do eat the placenta.................................:sick:0 -
I enjoy things in moderation.
I'd much rather slip off my diet one day out of the month and enjoy what I want, than to follow it strictly and eventually just get tired of it and go overboard.
I get what you're saying in your original post though. I can see both sides. But enjoying junk food every now and then works for me.0 -
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All I have to say is that I lol'd quite thoroughly at this post, one might say I even roflmfao'd. Especially at the homemade deoderant. To each his own. XD0 -
My 101 year old great aunt was in a nursing home. All she ever wanted, and ever talked about when we visited was how badly she wanted a bit of salt.
What the heck good is living that long if you don't have a bit of enjoyment????
I get that eating healthy is good. I make most of my family's meals from scratch and don't buy junk food. Great. But ya know what? I will get ice cream if I want some because I want to because I can't make it like blue bell. If that means that I die at 80 instead of 101, but die without begging my great niece to smuggle in a packet of salt, then I will die happily and praise the Lord for the life I lived.
Everybody does the best they can with the life they are given, so live and let live!0 -
Wow I think everyone has been a bit sensitive to the original poster's post, I really don't see how someone else's unrealistic ideology can make people "feel" inadequate and get all defensive. Surely we've got more back bone than that... We're all on this site to monitor what we eat - so she is being more picky. Who cares. If that works for her - good for her.
And what's wrong with having a drink in your picture? Mine is also cranberry juice - with a lot of vodka though.
What she was saying is kind of correct; eat whole foods etc - any naturopath or nutritionist will tell you that.
HOWEVER - Original argument was about "everything in moderation" and I think everything SHOULD be done in moderation.
I love treats, binge drinking, kebabs, takeaway etc - I just have this kind of thing every once in a while, rather than a daily/weekly thing. Or have a ridiculously small portion and then move on with my life.0 -
If we weren't supposed to enjoy food, we wouldn't have tastebuds, would we?
EXACTLY.
Yeah! And if porn is so bad then why does it have so many nurses in it? And nuns?
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If I stopped eating all of the things you said not to, I'd probably die.
I like to food to taste good.0 -
my two cents i agree with the OP. when i went hard core that where i reap the most results. you cannot have a hamburger and say oh wow oh well forgive and let go that can set you sooooo back but i know some people like it slow and that ok too but giving 200 percent will yield the best results nobody can disagree on that sorry. i stay away from sugar as i mention before i can not control myself so i just took it out of my diet truth none of us will die if we never eat McDonald or chocolate again. ive found alternatives for many of my favorite and that keeping the weight off but everyone is different. and for those who claim they could never be happy without chocolate. i love my size 4 jeans way better then my size 26 jeans i use to wear they last longer then any piece of cake could. and that make me very happy. point different strokes for different folks. decide i think that way i have a problems with food we put and link so much feelings to it. it no wonder i have an unhealthy relationship with food you eat to sustain your body not to make you happy. im learning getting to know people and being more sociable is so much more fulling then any cake could fill
again this is not the gospel truth it my two cents take it for what it worth.0 -
If we weren't supposed to enjoy food, we wouldn't have tastebuds, would we?
EXACTLY.
Yeah! And if porn is so bad then why does it have so many nurses in it? And nuns?
Still loving this thread...
Nun porn?0 -
If we weren't supposed to enjoy food, we wouldn't have tastebuds, would we?
EXACTLY.
Yeah! And if porn is so bad then why does it have so many nurses in it? And nuns?
Still loving this thread...
Nun porn?
Ive seen porn with the girls dressed as nuns,it was AWESOME!0 -
If we weren't supposed to enjoy food, we wouldn't have tastebuds, would we?
EXACTLY.
Yeah! And if porn is so bad then why does it have so many nurses in it? And nuns?
Still loving this thread...
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Great post! There is some truth to it....BUTTT, I think you struck a nerve with your "it's never ok" parts. You also failed to disclose that you cheat on occasion in your original post. However, it's whatever works for you...I like to eat what I want, eat healthy when I can, and eat a quarter pounder if the mood strikes me.
I think this forum is a wonderful way to SHARE tips. But, when you begin bashing what someone else is doing--this defeats the entire purpose of myfitnessPAL. We're all friends here...guiding and assisting each other to a healthier life. "Healthy" is individualized, goal weights are different, and methods of GETTING there are DIFFERENT. Just something to keep in mind for your next post!:happy:0 -
Life is for living and I'm afraid I'm not going to constantly worry about whether every single thing I put into my body is perfectly healthy. I've been around people who are like that and I do NOT want to live like that. As long as I make healthy choices almost all the time I don't see a problem with eating out or having takeaway or whatever now and then.
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Great post! There is some truth to it....BUTTT, I think you struck a nerve with your "it's never ok" parts. You also failed to disclose that you cheat on occasion in your original post. However, it's whatever works for you...I like to eat what I want, eat healthy when I can, and eat a quarter pounder if the mood strikes me.
I think this forum is a wonderful way to SHARE tips. But, when you begin bashing what someone else is doing--this defeats the entire purpose of myfitnessPAL. We're all friends here...guiding and assisting each other to a healthier life. "Healthy" is individualized, goal weights are different, and methods of GETTING there are DIFFERENT. Just something to keep in mind for your next post!:happy:
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That's a lovely theory.
And those of us who don't own an oven? Or can't afford organic? Or work long hours?
Sorry, while I didn't take offense, and thought it was a lovely bit o' prose, for some people those aren't viable options.
Splurging for me is going someplace and having someone cook for me. No organic restaurants in my neck of the woods.
So, you do what's good for you, and I'll do what's good for me and the two of us shall live happily ever after.
Affording organic is easy.... Hit up your local farmers market or simply buy what is on sale. Cuts down costs and increases variety as things on sale are different every week.
Or, buy the "dirty dozen" items organic and buy the rest conventional vegetables.
Work Long hours? Well, I am going from 3:45 am - until after 10 pm at night. Sundays are cooking and prep day for me. Cut up and clean fruits and veggies well in advance, put in containers and you have them all week long. Boil your eggs so you can grab and go. Always cook left overs and take them in containers with you.
Bag your nuts so you have them readily available as snacks.
I am sorry, but I find the whole "I work long hours", my kids have practice, all as excuses. If you want a different lifestyle, you find the time to do so accordingly.
I currently work 2 jobs (1 full time, 1 part time), cook breakfast every morning for my husband and I, take care of our dogs (includes training, play time and walks), the house, pay bills, do shopping, workout and study for classes (going full time), make my own cleaning supplies, cook everything from scratch and still have time for me (getting hair, nails, tanning, massage and facials).
It just takes time and dedication.
I agree whole heartedly with the OP.
Wow that just really made me sad to read your daily routine.
When do you see your kids? When you do play with them? When to do you snuggle them? I would eat nothing but lean cuisines before I would dedicate that much time to food prep and making stuff from scratch, if I was working 2 jobs and going to school full time. You can't get this time back with your kids. When its gone, its gone. Do really think they will look back with fond memories on you making your own cleaning supplies, cooking from scratch, and getting your hair/nails done and tanning? That stuff can wait - your kids can't. Conquer the world in 18 years when they are gone. For now... when you aren't working or in school...open store bought package, buy some Tide/Windex/409 and go play! 
What i am getting at is the fact that I have time to spend with my family, still take trips, go on outings and I still get everything done.
I will not sacrifice the health of my family any longer than I previously due to making convenience foods and using commercial cleaning products.
It is not as time intensive as you all think it is. My family is also involved in the prep work so it is a family thing.
We do plenty of rest, play and also get the work done too.0 -
i'm not saying everyone should cut out desserts or treats, not at all. you can absolutely indulge in chocolate, cookies, pancakes, etc in moderation.
What?
Haha!
Seriously.....I think this is why the original post annoyed me so much...0 -
woah, 13 pages?? alright well, i didn't read a lot of the comments - sorry, i was trying to be really conscious to read what everyone had to say, since (i'm assuming) you read my post in full if you commented here. i did skim pages 11-13 and was delightfully shocked to see some positive comments! but based on what i read i want to address 2 things:
a lot of people seem to be insinuating that i don't enjoy food, that i am probably choking down raw kale and wheat grass all day in an attempt to be healthy, getting no enjoyment whatsoever from what i eat. so not true. i LOVE food. really really love it. that's why i spend hours in the kitchen prepping my veggies, i take the time to make them taste amazing. this is going to sound weird but whatever: one of my favorite foods on earth is brussels sprouts. it's not because i like the taste, they taste like *kitten*! but i cook them in such a way that makes them really, seriously delicious. i roast them with unrefined coconut oil, oregano, rosemary, salt and cinnamon, and sometimes if i'm feeling crazy i'll toss them with maple glazed pecans. i almost died when i tried one. i realize some of you are dry-heaving right now but hear me out. healthy food can taste good if you prepare it right! everyone seems to think that a life without snickers would be a hellhole. and they'd rather die than eat brownies made with barley flour. but the thing about your taste buds is they are extraordinarily adaptable, as is your entire body. if you cut sugar out of your diet, you will crave it less. if you start eating clean, and get your sweet fix from bananas, or barley brownies, or coconut date rolls instead of twinkies and candy, your body will start to recognize these healthy alternatives as sweet. eventually (it does take time) these foods will be too sweet for you! look, if sugar rules your life, if you are ADDICTED to it, then my advice (not that you asked) is no, i don't think it's a good idea to enjoy those trigger foods in moderation. you are keeping them constantly in your system, and you're never going to break that addiction. if you don't want sugar ruling your life anymore, if you're sick of obsessing over food and yo-yoing with your weight, then you should consider eliminating all junk from your diet. but hey, if you can enjoy that snickers "in moderation" and it doesn't screw up your entire life, then go for it. this post isn't for you and i'm not going to argue with you. but to a lot of people, these foods are dangerous.
i noticed a lot of excuses as to why a lifestyle like this wouldn't work for everyone, time and money being the main ones. i get it, we're all busy and poor. especially me! i'm a freaking preschool teacher, i barely make above minimum wage. i have to go to the free clinic at the hospital for routine checkups and such because i make so little money and my job doesn't offer insurance. but i make it work, i just choose to spend less on things like clothes, entertainment, getting my nails done, etc. and i make my own cleaning products, which saves a ton of money. and as for time, i understand that too, believe me. including my commute i work 8 am - 7 pm everyday, then i go to the gym on my way home for 1.5 - 2 hrs. i get home around 9 - 9:30 pm each night. i just choose to spend my free time cooking, as opposed to watching TV, or whatever it is other people do in their free time. to me it's worth it, the food i cook makes me feel so, so good. so i make sacrifices for it.
i'm not at all saying this is the only way to live, i never said that. this is what has worked for me, worked exceedingly well, so why wouldn't i share it on a site where people are supposedly trying to make healthier choices in their lives? and i mean... junk food IS bad for you! i can't apologize for saying that - but i will absolutely apologize if anyone felt like i was attacking them, or if i came off as condescending. it doesn't bother me if people want to attack my lifestyle, the drink in my hand, my past issues with food, or any of that. but i do find it odd that telling you something you already know caused such an uproar.
and will you all stop knocking the barley brownies already, they are really good. i based my recipe off this one if anyone is BRAVE ENOUGH to try them:
http://edibleperspective.com/2010/07/hungry/
I'm totally going to make them and then post a review because just the name makes me want to gag lol....but I'm always a good sport for being proven wrong 0 -
Babies are totally natural and organic. So...that's what I eat. I eat babies.
You know there are some ppl who do eat the placenta.................................:sick:
:sick: oh my god I knew this was true but just seeing it written down is making me want to puke. BLEH!
But hey! To each his own!! :drinker:0 -
I read most of these posts before it got too out of hand.. and now its going off in like a thousand different tangents.
But all I gotta say is, today I'm going out to lunch with a friend to a burger joint.. is the best thing for me? No. Am I going to eat the darn burger and try and make it as healthy as possible? Yes! Will I continue to eat out every day this week? No. There is a point to moderation.. and it does work. Just because you eat crap one day, doesn't mean that you will the rest of the week. It's all about feeding your body what it wants when it wants in my eyes.0 -
While I agree that eating whole clean foods is the best thing. We are all starting at different places. I think trying at all is a big step up for some people. It's a learning process.0
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I read this when it was first posted and it got my hackles up but I decided to ignore it, but now I just have to throw my tuppence in. The OP doesn't seem to 'respectfully' disagree with anything. Your posts come across as preachy, disrespectful and just plain rude! If you really wanted to spark debate on this issue then you have missed the mark by screeching it from your pedestal like an annoying harpie. Maybe if you had been less judgemental then people would be more likely to see your argument.
Swing and a miss it seems.0 -
I make all my treats Grain/Gluten free. It tastes wonderful. All the food I consume are whole, fresh and completely homemade.i keep seeing this phrase thrown around all over the place. "it's ok if you ate a quarter pounder from McDonalds last night, everything in moderation!" "don't feel guilty about eating that Snickers bar, everything in moderation right?" i don't really understand this frame of mind - why would anyone want to put anything unhealthy into their body, ever? i mean is it ok to poison yourself in moderation? because that's what junk food does to you. especially genetically modified, heavily preserved or artificially sweetened junk food.
to indulge is one thing. i make some seriously delicious and indulgent dark chocolate brownies from time to time. but they're made out of whole grain barley flour, 100% dark chocolate, and sweetened with applesauce or dates. if i'm in the mood for pancakes i make buckwheat pancakes. i'm not saying everyone should cut out desserts or treats, not at all. you can absolutely indulge in chocolate, cookies, pancakes, etc in moderation. but people, there are healthier versions of these foods that taste just as good and won't kill you!
it is never ok to drink soda, regular or diet. it's never ok to consume snacks that contain more chemicals than real food. it is NEVER ok to consume BHT, hydrogenated oils, artificial colors like yellow 6 and red 3, high fructose corn syrup, sodium nitrite, or aspartame. check your favorite "cheat treats" - if it contains any of those ingredients, please don't eat it. i wish people would get out of this "everything in moderation" mind frame, and start asking themselves "what is this food going to do for my body?" instead. if there is nothing at all beneficial in the food you're about to eat, why are you eating it? food is meant to be fuel for our bodies, stop catering to your taste buds. your taste buds make up like .001% of your body, what about the other 99.999%? if you think you're satisfying your taste buds by eating that Twinkie, doesn't it bother you that you're hurting the other 99% of your body?
i understand cravings, and that if you deprive yourself of something you'll likely binge out on it at some point. i don't condone deprivation, i just think you can find a perfectly natural substitute. if you NEED a cheeseburger, make your own out of organic beef, please don't eat that artificially flavored chemical smorgasbord from McDonalds. if you need cookies, make your own, don't reach for a box of Entenmann's. every food in its natural state can be consumed in moderation, absolutely. but when you enter into the world of freaky genetically modified lab experiment foods/additives/preservatives, there is absolutely no reason to go near it, even in moderation.
your body is a temple, treat it with respect :flowerforyou:
If you are the type to eat out...make the best informed decisions for yourself but we want you to be well informed about whats out there.
I Agree with you 100%. I don't think you came out preachy, You are being informative to people. All we can do is inform them. If they decide to take the reigns then hooray for them. If people would watch the movie FOOD INC., as well as a few more, and see how these big Food corps TYSON, CARGILL, SMITHFIELD, CON AGRA, PERDUE etc...create those "so-called" wonderful tasting nuggets, buffalo chicken, popcorn chicken, soft baked cookies or any other processed crap, you will understand what she is trying to "preach". Don't take what she is saying as a " MY WAY IS BEST" type of thing. Alot of people don't know what type of crap 90% of the foods sold in supermarkets and all FF joints are made of and that are harmful to our bodies. If u see those types of movies and learn what those chemical loaded foods do to your body..maybe people would see the light. But, if u can watch that movie and could care less about what you've learned...then to each his own. I will continue to inform people what i've learned and have the proof to back it up.I make all my treats Grain/Gluten free. It tastes wonderful. All the food I consume are whole, fresh and completely homemade and my Aunt no longer takes Insulin for her diabetes on a daily basis because of it. She has kidney disease and goes to dialysis 3 times a week. Her doctor is baffled that her kidneys are HEALING....here's to your health people :drinker:0 -
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This is the thread that never ends.... yes it goes on and on my friends....0 -
I think what bugs me most about this post and some of the responses is the "hollier than thou" attitude that I see. Those that strongly disagree must do so because we know we are wrong. Or we just don't really know what is best for us yet. Yep, the OP hit a nerve, but it has nothing to do with knowing she is right.
It is condescending and rude. Guess what? THAT is what bothers me. Not the fact that the OP does not believe in moderation. If not eating any crap ever works for you, then that is great. Truly. It is just not what I want or am comfortable with for my life.0 -
Sounded pretty preachy to me and disreceptful of everyone's individual journeys. I think you can eat in moderation. You just have to be careful in your choices. Everyone is different.
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