everything in moderation? i respectfully disagree

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  • agdeierl
    agdeierl Posts: 378 Member
    WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN TO STOP TRYING TO INFRINGE THEIR EATING PHILOSOPHIES ON OTHERS?

    Never.

    Because it's a religious thing. They have to tell us how to do things their way, and no other way will work.

    I'm more of a dietary eclectic going through a process. So I don't really even read their stuff. It just makes me sleepy like I'm in church.

    Me, I want to read people who are real and who aren't trying to stuff their mania down my throat. So I won't "friend" the maniacs, because they literally have nothing to offer me but their judgment and condemnation.

    Who needs that?

    Well said! Yep, I don't know why I bother chiming in. You can't reason with loonies!
  • pittielover23
    pittielover23 Posts: 268
    WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN TO STOP TRYING TO INFRINGE THEIR EATING PHILOSOPHIES ON OTHERS?

    Never.

    Because it's a religious thing. They have to tell us how to do things their way, and no other way will work.

    I'm more of a dietary eclectic going through a process. So I don't really even read their stuff. It just makes me sleepy like I'm in church.

    Me, I want to read people who are real and who aren't trying to stuff their mania down my throat. So I won't "friend" the maniacs, because they literally have nothing to offer me but their judgment and condemnation.

    Who needs that?

    Well said! Yep, I don't know why I bother chiming in. You can't reason with loonies!

    I have a hard time letting things like this go, obviously LOL I just do not get why people can not accept that we don't all fit into their neat little box; but I realize I am talking in circles.

    I should just go and take the 45 different medications that one poster assumes I must be on ;)
  • Sezmo83
    Sezmo83 Posts: 331 Member
    While I'm skeptical that cancer can be cured simply by healthy eating I do think that what we eat can help with illnesses. I've cured abscesses with garlic and orange and use garlic as a flea and tick repellent for the dog. My dog gets bad skin and ear infections if fed cereals so is fed a food that's free of those things. I use Rescue Remedy for stress, both for me and the dog. I genuinely feel better when I'm eating properly rather than when I eat like I have today. What we eat certainly does have an impact on our health but I don't believe it will cure everything. I'm epileptic and no matter how I eat I'm going to have seizures.

    And we're all different. My mum has high cholestoral no matter how she eats (her doctor was absolutely gobsmacked when he saw her food diary) yet my dads is fine despite him living on junk food. My brother never ails a thing despite a diet of potato and nothing else. He doesn't even get a common cold! I gained 80lbs on a medication that according to my doctor makes most people lose weight. It also made my seizures more frequent when it's supposed to do the opposite of that. What works for one isn't going to work for everyone.
  • pauljsolie
    pauljsolie Posts: 1,024 Member
    I agree that it's important that people realise how bad these things can really be for the body (and I'm throwing in frozen lunches, because I see so many people thinking that's health food- no it isn't), but eating McDonald's once in a blue moon is not going to kill you, it's not even going to harm you. I'm a big believer in eating as close to the earth as possible, the real stuff, but sometimes I want the crap and every once in a while, I'll have some. It's the having it all the time and not knowing the difference which will hurt you.

    Be in control of your choices and always be aware of what you're putting in your body, but you don't need to be a vegan subsistence living in the untouched rainforest to be healthy.

    AMEN to that!! I indulge about once a month and it is usually on White Castle sliders. Mmmmm so good. The rest of the time it's healthy and organic all the way. Close to being a vegan but I still like my boneless skinless chicken breast.
  • hbrekkaas
    hbrekkaas Posts: 268 Member
    For those who are talking about how "cheap" and "easy" it is to eat organic and unprocessed foods, I don't understand what planet you are living on. Or how huge your food budget is. I don't know about America, but eating all organic and raw foods in Canada is EXPENSIVE. There's a reason the only Whole Foods I know of in Toronto is in Yorkville - where all the rich people/celebs hang out.

    THANK YOU!!! I live in a small town in Northren BC. Its not easy. Just buying regular fruits and veggies takes up a big chunk of our budget.
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,031 Member
    stop knocking the barley brownies already, they are really good. i based my recipe off this one if anyone is BRAVE ENOUGH to try them:
    http://edibleperspective.com/2010/07/hungry/
    carolynmittens
    Great recipes on this site! Yummy looking AND Healthy! :tongue: Thanks so much for sharing the link Hon:flowerforyou:
  • thkelly
    thkelly Posts: 466 Member
    i keep seeing this phrase thrown around all over the place. "it's ok if you ate a quarter pounder from McDonalds last night, everything in moderation!" "don't feel guilty about eating that Snickers bar, everything in moderation right?" i don't really understand this frame of mind - why would anyone want to put anything unhealthy into their body, ever? i mean is it ok to poison yourself in moderation? because that's what junk food does to you. especially genetically modified, heavily preserved or artificially sweetened junk food.

    to indulge is one thing. i make some seriously delicious and indulgent dark chocolate brownies from time to time. but they're made out of whole grain barley flour, 100% dark chocolate, and sweetened with applesauce or dates. if i'm in the mood for pancakes i make buckwheat pancakes. i'm not saying everyone should cut out desserts or treats, not at all. you can absolutely indulge in chocolate, cookies, pancakes, etc in moderation. but people, there are healthier versions of these foods that taste just as good and won't kill you!

    it is never ok to drink soda, regular or diet. it's never ok to consume snacks that contain more chemicals than real food. it is NEVER ok to consume BHT, hydrogenated oils, artificial colors like yellow 6 and red 3, high fructose corn syrup, sodium nitrite, or aspartame. check your favorite "cheat treats" - if it contains any of those ingredients, please don't eat it. i wish people would get out of this "everything in moderation" mind frame, and start asking themselves "what is this food going to do for my body?" instead. if there is nothing at all beneficial in the food you're about to eat, why are you eating it? food is meant to be fuel for our bodies, stop catering to your taste buds. your taste buds make up like .001% of your body, what about the other 99.999%? if you think you're satisfying your taste buds by eating that Twinkie, doesn't it bother you that you're hurting the other 99% of your body?

    i understand cravings, and that if you deprive yourself of something you'll likely binge out on it at some point. i don't condone deprivation, i just think you can find a perfectly natural substitute. if you NEED a cheeseburger, make your own out of organic beef, please don't eat that artificially flavored chemical smorgasbord from McDonalds. if you need cookies, make your own, don't reach for a box of Entenmann's. every food in its natural state can be consumed in moderation, absolutely. but when you enter into the world of freaky genetically modified lab experiment foods/additives/preservatives, there is absolutely no reason to go near it, even in moderation.

    your body is a temple, treat it with respect :flowerforyou:

    give me a friggin' break. this coming from a girl driking a massive margarita in her profile picture. LOL
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,031 Member
    i keep seeing this phrase thrown around all over the place. "it's OK if you ate a quarter pounder from McDonalds last night, everything in moderation!" "don't feel guilty about eating that Snickers bar, everything in moderation right?" i don't really understand this frame of mind - why would anyone want to put anything unhealthy into their body, ever? i mean is it ok to poison yourself in moderation? because that's what junk food does to you. especially genetically modified, heavily preserved or artificially sweetened junk food.

    to indulge is one thing. i make some seriously delicious and indulgent dark chocolate brownies from time to time. but they're made out of whole grain barley flour, 100% dark chocolate, and sweetened with applesauce or dates. if i'm in the mood for pancakes i make buckwheat pancakes. i'm not saying everyone should cut out desserts or treats, not at all. you can absolutely indulge in chocolate, cookies, pancakes, etc in moderation. but people, there are healthier versions of these foods that taste just as good and won't kill you!

    it is never ok to drink soda, regular or diet. it's never ok to consume snacks that contain more chemicals than real food. it is NEVER ok to consume BHT, hydrogenated oils, artificial colors like yellow 6 and red 3, high fructose corn syrup, sodium nitrite, or aspartame. check your favorite "cheat treats" - if it contains any of those ingredients, please don't eat it. i wish people would get out of this "everything in moderation" mind frame, and start asking themselves "what is this food going to do for my body?" instead. if there is nothing at all beneficial in the food you're about to eat, why are you eating it? food is meant to be fuel for our bodies, stop catering to your taste buds. your taste buds make up like .001% of your body, what about the other 99.999%? if you think you're satisfying your taste buds by eating that Twinkie, doesn't it bother you that you're hurting the other 99% of your body?

    i understand cravings, and that if you deprive yourself of something you'll likely binge out on it at some point. i don't condone deprivation, i just think you can find a perfectly natural substitute. if you NEED a cheeseburger, make your own out of organic beef, please don't eat that artificially flavored chemical smorgasbord from McDonalds. if you need cookies, make your own, don't reach for a box of Entenmann's. every food in its natural state can be consumed in moderation, absolutely. but when you enter into the world of freaky genetically modified lab experiment foods/additives/preservatives, there is absolutely no reason to go near it, even in moderation.

    your body is a temple, treat it with respect :flowerforyou:

    give me a friggin' break. this coming from a girl driking a massive margarita in her profile picture. LOL
    OMG! :noway: Were you there, did you make the drink yourself? I think the drink issue was cleared up 100 pages ago. Tasty natural drink, nothing wrong with what she's got in the coconut:wink: Never safe to assume Dude...
  • smartmama4
    smartmama4 Posts: 30
    So I admit I stopped reading at about page 3 or so.... I'd never get up from the computer if I had continued on! AND I so need to get up so I don't get fatter!! LOL I believe "to each his own...."

    But I love the rat issue! ..... causes cancer in lab rats! That is were the "in moderation" comes in. Yes I believe some of those things did cause cancer in lab rats, BUT rats are tiny compared to humans. The ratio would have to be the same for it to harm a human.......
    So "in moderation"

    :flowerforyou:
  • dietfree2012
    dietfree2012 Posts: 801 Member
    sounds good; but a little unrealistic and not fun! oreos and pizza and fries and all of the yummy fatty things in the world taste wonderful to most, but are not good for you. Therefore, moderation is key. Healthy is best, but sometimes you have to live a little. I personally think moderation is fine. but to each is own!
  • bettyboop573
    bettyboop573 Posts: 610 Member
    [I also think that those who are bashing her for voicing her opinion and being too preachy need to step back and take a deep breath. It's okay to disagree, but let's all try and show her how to disagree with grace and style and tact. Some of you have, some have not.

    That's all. :)

    *agreed :)
  • bettyboop573
    bettyboop573 Posts: 610 Member
    considering a lot of the comments are from people who havent even read the whole debate
  • calmmomw3minimeez
    calmmomw3minimeez Posts: 499 Member
    but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done? (i don't mean to sound ethnocentric either, but the majority of people with diet-related illness live in america). since when is information so offensive? how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't. but don't get offended because i told you twinkies are bad for you. if a smoker was told it would be in his/her best interest to quit smoking, would you all be up in arms about that? why is junk food such a sensitive issue?

    It's ALL a sensitive issue. No one wants to be told what they should or shouldn't be doing, especially when they're trying to do better. Honestly, do't really care.. if I wanted the information I would look it up. What people take offense to is being told what they're doing is "wrong". Oh, btw, I'm a smoker too and know that's bad for me as well so I'm sure you'll have a field day with that.
    No disrespect to the poster because you did make some valid points about food, but it is your choice to eat and live the way you want to just as it is my choice to eat, drink, smoke, and live the way I want to. It is a free country and it's okay to give your opinion, maybe just think about 'how' you're saying what you want to say beforehand. A vegan can die just like anyone else because eventually that's what we're all gonna do. I don't chose to be as meticulous as you are, but I congratulate you on being able to stick with what YOU have chosen to do just as we all should congratulate ourselves on whatever progress we've made in whatever way we choose to make it. We are all on MFP for basically the same reasons and I'm sure that with media, websites, etc. that everyone has already heard about what foods are considered 'bad' and the risks that allegedly come with them but at the same time, BREATHING is unhealthy(pollution) too but we all do it anyway so since I'm not gonna die until it's my time, I think I'll go and enjoy some sliced cucumbers with cottage cheese and a pork shoulder sandwich...btw there will be wine in the diary for dinner...just live until you die people!!!:drinker: :smokin: :yawn:
  • Aylilth
    Aylilth Posts: 125
    i keep seeing this phrase thrown around all over the place. "it's ok if you ate a quarter pounder from McDonalds last night, everything in moderation!" "don't feel guilty about eating that Snickers bar, everything in moderation right?" i don't really understand this frame of mind - why would anyone want to put anything unhealthy into their body, ever? i mean is it ok to poison yourself in moderation? because that's what junk food does to you. especially genetically modified, heavily preserved or artificially sweetened junk food.

    to indulge is one thing. i make some seriously delicious and indulgent dark chocolate brownies from time to time. but they're made out of whole grain barley flour, 100% dark chocolate, and sweetened with applesauce or dates. if i'm in the mood for pancakes i make buckwheat pancakes. i'm not saying everyone should cut out desserts or treats, not at all. you can absolutely indulge in chocolate, cookies, pancakes, etc in moderation. but people, there are healthier versions of these foods that taste just as good and won't kill you!

    it is never ok to drink soda, regular or diet. it's never ok to consume snacks that contain more chemicals than real food. it is NEVER ok to consume BHT, hydrogenated oils, artificial colors like yellow 6 and red 3, high fructose corn syrup, sodium nitrite, or aspartame. check your favorite "cheat treats" - if it contains any of those ingredients, please don't eat it. i wish people would get out of this "everything in moderation" mind frame, and start asking themselves "what is this food going to do for my body?" instead. if there is nothing at all beneficial in the food you're about to eat, why are you eating it? food is meant to be fuel for our bodies, stop catering to your taste buds. your taste buds make up like .001% of your body, what about the other 99.999%? if you think you're satisfying your taste buds by eating that Twinkie, doesn't it bother you that you're hurting the other 99% of your body?

    i understand cravings, and that if you deprive yourself of something you'll likely binge out on it at some point. i don't condone deprivation, i just think you can find a perfectly natural substitute. if you NEED a cheeseburger, make your own out of organic beef, please don't eat that artificially flavored chemical smorgasbord from McDonalds. if you need cookies, make your own, don't reach for a box of Entenmann's. every food in its natural state can be consumed in moderation, absolutely. but when you enter into the world of freaky genetically modified lab experiment foods/additives/preservatives, there is absolutely no reason to go near it, even in moderation.

    your body is a temple, treat it with respect :flowerforyou:

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    hahahahaha!!!!

    This was great reading with my morning coffee love that pic :laugh:
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    Eating well may prevent you from getting some illnesses associated with eating badly, but there are things that are not treatable by diet. Cholesterol, for one! My father had a stroke 7 years ago, eating well and losing 4 stone didn't make a jot of difference to his cholesterol. Statins did.
    Eating well (and I do eat very healthily) has never stopped me getting bronchitis, or tracheitis, or pneumonia or pleurisy. Having a good diet doesn't treat those things. Antibiotics and steroids do. Without those I'd be dead many times over. Eating well didn't stop me getting appendicitis either. Despite not having even been born to eat anything, my son was born with a deformed kidney, and will always have problems with them. That won't be reversed by eating cleanly. It needed surgery.

    Clean eating isn't a replacement for medicine. Without medicine a lot of people would die a lot sooner than they needed to.

    Diet can cure cholesterol issues, giving up grains and other forms of sugar and inflammatory foods is what will have the cholesterol come down. Statins are not good for us.

    Funny also that since I have given up all processed foods I have not gotten a cold, allergies, bronchitis or any other illness that would require antibiotics.

    I don't believe in conventional wisdom or main stream medicine any longer and I never will again as long as doctors rely on pharmaceutical companies.

    I also find it funny that my dad has had multiple strokes and a recent heart attack. The doctor put him on a high fat, moderate protein and low carb plan that is similar to how my sister and I both eat and feed our families and all damage in his heart has been healed.

    I also have a couple of friends that one parent or another has had cancer and healed themselves through nutrition.

    I don't buy into the pharmaceutical stuff, nature is best.

    What balls. Diet can lower cholesterol by something pathetic like 10 or 20%. Statins can lower it by 80%. My parents both eat all natural, super healthy, mostly home grown diets, he still had a stroke at 58, just like every other male member of his family has. He would be dead now without statins so don't give me ****e about them being EVIL.

    Oh and one of my friend's mother's healed her cancer through nutrition first time, but it didn't work when it came back 3 years later. Food isn't always the answer, and I suggest you are being very blinkered to think it does.
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    Oh, and I have never eaten an item of processed food. I am a strict vegetarian who cooks all my own food from scratch, and yet I get hayfever and lung infections every winter. You are totally clueless to the point of being offensive.
  • calmmomw3minimeez
    calmmomw3minimeez Posts: 499 Member
    My god, I'm so stressed out about the chemicals I ate today that I smoked a half a pack of cigarettes while I read this!!
    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :wink:
  • Fat2FitChick
    Fat2FitChick Posts: 451 Member
    Judgmental much!!

    Who made you so perfect that you feel it's ok to talk down about anyone who doesn't eat as perfectly clean as you do.

    By the way if that is you in your avatar you might want to work on not being such a hypocrite? Alcohol is considered a poison, I guess your drinking it in moderation though! :huh:
  • Losingitin2011
    Losingitin2011 Posts: 572 Member
    Judgmental much!!

    Who made you so perfect that you feel it's ok to talk down about anyone who doesn't eat as perfectly clean as you do.

    By the way if that is you in your avatar you might want to work on not being such a hypocrite? Alcohol is considered a poison, I guess your drinking it in moderation though! :huh:

    Wow, I walk away from this thread yesterday to get some work done, come back today and see nun porn, crazy talk, and nastiness.

    Somewhere back there someone asked why the "healthy" people preach so much, and the reply was because it's like a religion. I agree with this so SO SO SO much. They are often blinded by their perceived "rightness" and can't comprehend logic. I am actually kind of surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet.... >.>
  • pittielover23
    pittielover23 Posts: 268
    You know, if we all ate like we did 80 years ago and stopped relying on medicene, we would all live WAY longer! Oh wait...
  • hpsnickers1
    hpsnickers1 Posts: 2,783 Member
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    I think we all should go back to eating like we did 15,000 years ago. Our early ancestors were stronger and healthier than we are now. Their brains were bigger, too. And if they had an uneventful life with no trauma (a broken bone or a cut on a finger could kill them) they could live well into their 90s.
  • Losingitin2011
    Losingitin2011 Posts: 572 Member
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.
  • hpsnickers1
    hpsnickers1 Posts: 2,783 Member
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.

    Cheers! Me too. I went Primal two and a half weeks ago. But I sure as hell enjoyed my pizza this past Saturday and the asian food in the sweet sauces earlier that day. I will not deprive myself but will do my best to eat as healthy as I can 80% of the time. As long as I do that then I can eat what I want during that other 20%.

    And whole wheat bread does the exact same thing to our body as white bread - spikes your blood sugar! That intolerance is because our bodies haven't evolved long enough to be able to digest them (look what happens with corn!)

    Diabetes is killing my dad. My older brother was recently diagnosed (and is doing great now). It's not going to get me!

    And Losingitin2011: did you steal my kitty?! Wait, no. My kitty is a fathead! OMG the resemblance, though!
  • Butterflynma
    Butterflynma Posts: 22 Member
    Wow I'm really surprised by all the negativity. We are all here sharing common goals and up until this post I saw posts and responses that were very supportive. This post just took on a life of it's own. It's ok to disagree, but the negativity is so uncalled for. We are all here to support each other not tear each other down for having opinions that differ.
  • Losingitin2011
    Losingitin2011 Posts: 572 Member
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.

    Cheers! Me too. I went Primal two and a half weeks ago. But I sure as hell enjoyed my pizza this past Saturday and the asian food in the sweet sauces earlier that day. I will not deprive myself but will do my best to eat as healthy as I can 80% of the time. As long as I do that then I can eat what I want during that other 20%.

    And whole wheat bread does the exact same thing to our body as white bread - spikes your blood sugar! That intolerance is because our bodies haven't evolved long enough to be able to digest them (look what happens with corn!)

    Diabetes is killing my dad. My older brother was recently diagnosed (and is doing great now). It's not going to get me!

    And Losingitin2011: did you steal my kitty?! Wait, no. My kitty is a fathead! OMG the resemblance, though!

    Hehe my kitty is a Handsome Boy, or so he thinks. His sister is a pretty pretty princess >.> or so she thinks.... *sigh* cats.
  • hpsnickers1
    hpsnickers1 Posts: 2,783 Member
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.

    Cheers! Me too. I went Primal two and a half weeks ago. But I sure as hell enjoyed my pizza this past Saturday and the asian food in the sweet sauces earlier that day. I will not deprive myself but will do my best to eat as healthy as I can 80% of the time. As long as I do that then I can eat what I want during that other 20%.

    And whole wheat bread does the exact same thing to our body as white bread - spikes your blood sugar! That intolerance is because our bodies haven't evolved long enough to be able to digest them (look what happens with corn!)

    Diabetes is killing my dad. My older brother was recently diagnosed (and is doing great now). It's not going to get me!

    And Losingitin2011: did you steal my kitty?! Wait, no. My kitty is a fathead! OMG the resemblance, though!

    Hehe my kitty is a Handsome Boy, or so he thinks. His sister is a pretty pretty princess >.> or so she thinks.... *sigh* cats.

    Dogs have owners; Cats have staff! That is really true. (I have 4 kitties myself all spoiled rotten!)
  • cazzincali
    cazzincali Posts: 337 Member
    but don't you guys realize it's the american mindset to worry about consequences only after the damage has been done? (i don't mean to sound ethnocentric either, but the majority of people with diet-related illness live in america). since when is information so offensive? how about research for yourselves what the adverse effects of these substances are, then. and if it doesn't concern you, then by all means don't. but don't get offended because i told you twinkies are bad for you. if a smoker was told it would be in his/her best interest to quit smoking, would you all be up in arms about that? why is junk food such a sensitive issue?

    So you are a physician and research analyst now... BESIDES being rude and insulting.

    I have lived OUTSIDE the United States... and guess what? They have the same problems. Do you realize heart disease and diabetes are "caused" by many more factors than diet. Do you realize african-americans are far more likely to have high blood pressure than caucasians? Yes... GASP!... SOME diseases are racially unbalanced. In England, the Indian population is far more likely to have kidney disease and be on dialysis than the anglo population. Genetics, sex... SO many factors!!

    Somehow... you feel it YOUR responsibility to let us all know that we are wrong and you are right. Sometimes, being happy is better than being right. I doubt you have lived long enough to learn that lesson... so I forgive you.

    You really should step off the pedestal... before someone pushes you off...
  • pittielover23
    pittielover23 Posts: 268
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.

    Cheers! Me too. I went Primal two and a half weeks ago. But I sure as hell enjoyed my pizza this past Saturday and the asian food in the sweet sauces earlier that day. I will not deprive myself but will do my best to eat as healthy as I can 80% of the time. As long as I do that then I can eat what I want during that other 20%.

    And whole wheat bread does the exact same thing to our body as white bread - spikes your blood sugar! That intolerance is because our bodies haven't evolved long enough to be able to digest them (look what happens with corn!)

    Diabetes is killing my dad. My older brother was recently diagnosed (and is doing great now). It's not going to get me!

    And Losingitin2011: did you steal my kitty?! Wait, no. My kitty is a fathead! OMG the resemblance, though!

    Hehe my kitty is a Handsome Boy, or so he thinks. His sister is a pretty pretty princess >.> or so she thinks.... *sigh* cats.

    Dogs have owners; Cats have staff! That is really true. (I have 4 kitties myself all spoiled rotten!)
    3 cats here (and a doggus).
  • Losingitin2011
    Losingitin2011 Posts: 572 Member
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.

    Cheers! Me too. I went Primal two and a half weeks ago. But I sure as hell enjoyed my pizza this past Saturday and the asian food in the sweet sauces earlier that day. I will not deprive myself but will do my best to eat as healthy as I can 80% of the time. As long as I do that then I can eat what I want during that other 20%.

    And whole wheat bread does the exact same thing to our body as white bread - spikes your blood sugar! That intolerance is because our bodies haven't evolved long enough to be able to digest them (look what happens with corn!)

    Diabetes is killing my dad. My older brother was recently diagnosed (and is doing great now). It's not going to get me!

    And Losingitin2011: did you steal my kitty?! Wait, no. My kitty is a fathead! OMG the resemblance, though!

    Hehe my kitty is a Handsome Boy, or so he thinks. His sister is a pretty pretty princess >.> or so she thinks.... *sigh* cats.

    Dogs have owners; Cats have staff! That is really true. (I have 4 kitties myself all spoiled rotten!)
    3 cats here (and a doggus).

    I want more kitties, but we're in a tiiiiiny studio apartment, so Hubby says no more until we move somewhere bigger.
  • pittielover23
    pittielover23 Posts: 268
    Maybe she's a troll!

    And I have been doing some serious research on grains. You want to talk about something that's bad for you? Look up Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Check out Mark's Daily Apple. We're replacing highly nutritious foods like fruits, veggies and meats and healthy fats with grains that are very lacking in nutrition, contain antinutrients, scrape our intestinal lining as we "digest" them and do nothing but spike and crash our blood glucose levels throughout the day. (Carbs control insulin and insulin controls fat storage).

    Yup, because some people decided that we suddenly needed allllllllll these grains. I don't eat them that much anymore due to intolerance, but I sure used to! On that same note, if I want a grilled cheese sammich, or a cheeseburger, I am NOT using lettuce as the bun.

    Cheers! Me too. I went Primal two and a half weeks ago. But I sure as hell enjoyed my pizza this past Saturday and the asian food in the sweet sauces earlier that day. I will not deprive myself but will do my best to eat as healthy as I can 80% of the time. As long as I do that then I can eat what I want during that other 20%.

    And whole wheat bread does the exact same thing to our body as white bread - spikes your blood sugar! That intolerance is because our bodies haven't evolved long enough to be able to digest them (look what happens with corn!)

    Diabetes is killing my dad. My older brother was recently diagnosed (and is doing great now). It's not going to get me!

    And Losingitin2011: did you steal my kitty?! Wait, no. My kitty is a fathead! OMG the resemblance, though!

    Hehe my kitty is a Handsome Boy, or so he thinks. His sister is a pretty pretty princess >.> or so she thinks.... *sigh* cats.

    Dogs have owners; Cats have staff! That is really true. (I have 4 kitties myself all spoiled rotten!)
    3 cats here (and a doggus).

    I want more kitties, but we're in a tiiiiiny studio apartment, so Hubby says no more until we move somewhere bigger.
    That is what my husband said when we had two cats...(Bwahahahaha).
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