How and why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat!!

bunchesonothing

If you tell me how to look like Kara Goucher, I'll love you forever. I don't want a lot of muscle mass, but I don't want skinny fat either.

http://www.examiner.com/triathlon-in-st-paul/kara-goucher-on-the-cover-of-the-march-2010-runner-s-world

I'm sure she has a relatively high carb ratio due to her being a distance runner.

They recommend something like 55%-60% for long distance runners. Not all runners, just those packing on the miles.

barefootbeautiful

donna - while I am NOT a nutritionist, the general rule is half to a full gram of protein per pound of your ideal body weight. Example: I'm 5'4, figuring my ideal weight at about 160 (I am very broad). So I generally shoot for a MINIMUM of 80g of protein a day. I generally try to stay under HALF of that in grams of carbs, so again, for me, that puts me between 40 and 50. It may seem low, but it works! This allows me to not only lose fat, but gain muscle. (I have regular body scans done to determine just how much loss/gain there is).

general rule is .75 up to 1.5 grams per lbs dependent on what you are trying to obtain. The FDA says .5 and this has been disproved by about everyone and their brother.

Wow. Little harsh. Just trying to help here. I obviously have not read as much material as you.

mynameisuntz

Carbs won't make you fat if you have a proper caloric intake..............

What?

The OP is saying carbs make you fat. "Why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat."

Carbs won't make you fat unless your calories are above maintenance. Period. There's nothing wrong with carbs.

Stop spreading carb/insulin-phobia.

I am the OP and learn to read the post in full before you comment. I never said it MAKES YOU FAT, i said it will keep your body fat because your body will use muscle as energy before it will use fat.

Learn to read? Okay. How about this: learn basic nutrition because you're talkin nonsense.

Caloric deficit = weight loss.
High protein = muscle sparing.
It follows that a high protein diet at a caloric deficit REGARDLESS of carb intake will result in optimal fat loss as far as the diet side of the equation is concerned.

How can so many athletes eat hundreds of grams of carbs and maintain a sub 10% body fat with ease?

mynameisuntz

Carbs won't make you fat if you have a proper caloric intake..............

What?

The OP is saying carbs make you fat. "Why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat."

Carbs won't make you fat unless your calories are above maintenance. Period. There's nothing wrong with carbs.

Stop spreading carb/insulin-phobia.

I am the OP and learn to read the post in full before you comment. I never said it MAKES YOU FAT, i said it will keep your body fat because your body will use muscle as energy before it will use fat or a video like you posted.

This is TRUE it will keep your body fat or from burning fat. That is why i think that everyone should have to take a class on what the food groups do for your body and how it uses them.

Lol. No.

What happens if you eat a diet solely based in fat in regards to burning fat? Answer that for me. Thanks.

mynameisuntz

Let's throw out a hypothetical. Guy has a 2,000 calorie maintenance and eats 1,500 calories resulting in a 500 calorie deficit.

1) if all calories are consumed as carbs, then your body will burn every last carb as free glucose in he bloodstream or once it's already been stored as glycogen. The remaining 500 calories will come primarily from fat.

2) if all calories are consumed as fat, then your body will burn every last gram as fat once it's been broken down or after it has already been stored as body fat. The remaining 500 calories will come primarily from fat.

3) if all calories are consumed as protein, then your body will burn every last amino acid for energy, typically in the form of free amino acids. The remaining 500 calories will come primarily from fat, more so than the last 2 scenarios given protein's muscle-sparing abilities.

Note that in all 3 scenarios, the 500 calorie deficit will primarily come from fat. This is a watered down version, but the basic message is clear.

The ultimate message for fat loss is: caloric deficit + high protein. After that, it's up to the individual. You CAN lose fat very easily with a moderate-high carb intake assuming a high protein diet is in place, and preferably resistance trainin is present.

heart_explodes

Is butter a carb?

I love that someone actually answered this seriously.
Possibly one of my favourite movies ever lol.

Lyadeia

Is butter a carb?

I love that someone actually answered this seriously.
Possibly one of my favourite movies ever lol.

I can't go to Taco Bell, I'm on an all carb diet!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

mideon_696

The OP is spot on IMO.



you'll find comparing an elite athlete and regular MFP'er is like comparing a super car to a family saloon...

they eat a ****eload of carbs...yep.

now when do they eat them??
they eat them around thier training...
why?
because thier bodies will make use of them right away...they will not get stored away for later.

lets think about this: if said super freak athlete took a week off, would thier carb intake remain the same?
HELL NO...
it would be TINY in comparison. I think we know why by now yes?? hell mid way through that week i wouldnt be surprised if thier carb count got well below 50gm's...

personally, i use 33/33/33.
has always worked well for me...but thats not a hard and fast ratio either...
on non-workout days i'll generally keep the carbs much lower, and add more fat instead. else i'll feel bloated.

ALSO!
calories are calories huh??
I dont think so...do some research.
a carb found in bread/rice/pasta/potatoes, is NOT the same as a carb found good green leafy vegetables...

oh and OT: Bread is bad, kay. :P and really not needed at all.

I can provide links to great info if anyone disagrees with the OP...

Lyadeia

Wow, carbs are soooo bad that I went from 191 pounds to 128 pounds in less than a year eating a pizza every Sunday while watching football or Nascar, depending on the time of year.

This, just like any other carb debate on this website, will simply go around the merri-go-round until people get so mad that others report their posts and the thread gets locked.

There's no diet that works for 100% of the people 100% of the time and is sustainable for the rest of our lives. If there was, we'd all be on it.

I personally like to eat around 40% of my calories from carbs. I do have at least 1 day a week where I eat more than that, hence the once a week pizza that I still currently enjoy. My mom, on the otherhand, has lost over 100 pounds eating around 55% of her calories from carbs. She couldn't stand eating like me, and I don't like her diet. We must find something that works for our ow bodies and stop trying every fad that everyone else is doing.

Low carb is great for some people. It's not so hot for others. But both groups can lose weight. Go figure.

Debating on what everyone should do is pointless.

mynameisuntz

The OP is spot on IMO.



you'll find comparing an elite athlete and regular MFP'er is like comparing a super car to a family saloon...

they eat a ****eload of carbs...yep.

now when do they eat them??
they eat them around thier training...
why?
because thier bodies will make use of them right away...they will not get stored away for later.

You clearly have no concept of carb loading. And who brought up elite athletes? I'm talking about your everday gym-goer. Even people who do nothing but lift weights will eat lots of carbs.

lets think about this: if said super freak athlete took a week off, would thier carb intake remain the same?
HELL NO...
it would be TINY in comparison. I think we know why by now yes?? hell mid way through that week i wouldnt be surprised if thier carb count got well below 50gm's...

What...? Haha, are you joking?

personally, i use 33/33/33.
has always worked well for me...but thats not a hard and fast ratio either...
on non-workout days i'll generally keep the carbs much lower, and add more fat instead. else i'll feel bloated.

I'd love to hear why swapping carbs for fat is better assuming you aren't insulin resistant.

ALSO!
calories are calories huh??
I dont think so...do some research.
a carb found in bread/rice/pasta/potatoes, is NOT the same as a carb found good green leafy vegetables...

Actually, you're wrong. The glucose from veggies vs the glucose from pasta are the same once they are broken down and metabolized.

Glucose is glucose. Fructose is fructose. Food source is irrelevant.

oh and OT: Bread is bad, kay. :P and really not needed at all.

I can provide links to great info if anyone disagrees with the OP...

Yes, please provide scientific research showing bread is bad and carbs prevent fat loss.

Can't wait!

leighton1245

ALSO!
calories are calories huh??
I dont think so...do some research.
a carb found in bread/rice/pasta/potatoes, is NOT the same as a carb found good green leafy vegetables...

Actually, you're wrong. The glucose from veggies vs the glucose from pasta are the same once they are broken down and metabolized.

Glucose is glucose. Fructose is fructose. Food source is irrelevant.

If you are qutoeing my post please reread my post becuase the statment you posted is correct but the statment that I posted is also correct.

Please everyone follow the link and read carefully for a good source of info on carbs. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates-full-story/

Most of all everyone you need to listen to your body and follow what it needs (the cravings you get for savory or sweet foods is your bodies way of saying HEY!!! i need more of this) as long as you eat clean or healthy and enjoy your workouts and workout often the pounds will come off until you hit below 10% BF then you will realize that not every carb or calorie is the same. I am there and have been there for a while but I am endurance athelete with 9.47%BF my goal is already met just trying to help others with the knowledge I have.

Chuckw40

And the great Carb debate rages on...

Bump...

freerange

A little word to the wise, Mynameisutz likes to change the argument everytime the argument doesn't fit his stance, so arguing with him about anything is a waste of time, just saying. Anyone that thinks a calorie is a calorie cannot be taken seriously. Carry on.

Teemo

A little word to the wise, Mynameisutz likes to change the argument everytime the argument doesn't fit his stance, so arguing with him about anything is a waste of time, just saying. Anyone that thinks a calorie is a calorie cannot be taken seriously. Carry on.

A calorie is CLEARLY a calorie. There is absolutely no support or evidence even suggesting otherwise.

A little word to the wise: rather than trusting something as important as your health blindly to regurgitated and antiquated notions -- e.g., eat six meals a day to stoke your metabolic fire or carbs are the enemy!! -- perhaps you should put down your preconceived notions for a minute and open your mind AND do your own independent investigation into the matter.

bunchesonothing

Mind you, I'm not terribly old, but I never heard anything bad about carbs until Atkins came around. And then all of the sudden, every joe on the street talks about how carbs are the devil, after they eat a LARGE extremely calorie dense meal and follow it with a mountain of chocolate and wash it down it can after can of diet coke.

freerange

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2010/05/27/another-lecture-on-fructose/

mynameisnutz

A little word to the wise: rather than trusting something as important as your health blindly to regurgitated and antiquated notions -- e.g., eat six meals a day to stoke your metabolic fire or carbs are the enemy!! -- perhaps you should put down your preconceived notions for a minute and open your mind AND do your own independent investigation into the matter.

Someone online told me you shouldn't do that.

mynameisuntz

A little word to the wise, Mynameisutz likes to change the argument everytime the argument doesn't fit his stance, so arguing with him about anything is a waste of time, just saying. Anyone that thinks a calorie is a calorie cannot be taken seriously. Carry on.

Feel free to point out where I ever did that. You seem upset over our paleo disagreement.

Chuckw40

A little word to the wise: rather than trusting something as important as your health blindly to regurgitated and antiquated notions -- e.g., eat six meals a day to stoke your metabolic fire or carbs are the enemy!! -- perhaps you should put down your preconceived notions for a minute and open your mind AND do your own independent investigation into the matter.

Someone online told me you shouldn't do that.

Of course anyone who does their own investigation and dares to post their conclusion will be summarily roasted for it. Anything short of a peer reviewed double blind lifetime study of human guinea pigs will be insufficient. Such evidence will probably never happen because even if you can monitor and control a large group of people for years you can't control all the variables. I suppose if you were to take an army of clones and control every moment of their lives you might get the desired proof.

Until then we need to do what works for us and stop attacking people for doing what works for them.

LdyGeko

Of course anyone who does their own investigation and dares to post their conclusion will be summarily roasted for it. Anything short of a peer reviewed double blind lifetime study of human guinea pigs will be insufficient. Such evidence will probably never happen because even if you can monitor and control a large group of people for years you can't control all the variables. I suppose if you were to take an army of clones and control every moment of their lives you might get the desired proof.

Until then we need to do what works for us and stop attacking people for doing what works for them.

Where's the LIKE button! Yes, THIS!!!!!!!

freerange

A little word to the wise, Mynameisutz likes to change the argument everytime the argument doesn't fit his stance, so arguing with him about anything is a waste of time, just saying. Anyone that thinks a calorie is a calorie cannot be taken seriously. Carry on.

Feel free to point out where I ever did that. You seem upset over our paleo disagreement.

That is another of your faults, you read to much into others post. Or you give yourself too much credit, to think I would get upset over anything said on a on-line debate is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well shows your age a bit.

freerange

But just for your edification, this is changing the argument

The OP is saying carbs make you fat. "Why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat."

Carbs won't make you fat unless your calories are above maintenance. Period. There's nothing wrong with carbs.

Stop spreading carb/insulin-phobia.

This is not what he said, or implied, but this does fit your argument, so you change the original argument, twist it just enough, making it easier to shoot down with your argument.

Teemo

Of course anyone who does their own investigation and dares to post their conclusion will be summarily roasted for it. Anything short of a peer reviewed double blind lifetime study of human guinea pigs will be insufficient. Such evidence will probably never happen because even if you can monitor and control a large group of people for years you can't control all the variables. I suppose if you were to take an army of clones and control every moment of their lives you might get the desired proof.

Until then we need to do what works for us and stop attacking people for doing what works for them.

There are a lot of things that "work" that aren't necessarily the most effective or even commendable. For instance: eating a diet consisting entirely of donuts while maintaining a caloric deficit.

But the three following statements are very different:

(1) I stopped eating carbs and I lost weight.

(2) I stopped eating carbs and I lost weight because not eating carbs allowed me to maintain a caloric deficit.

(3) I stopped eating carbs and I lost weight because eating carbs will make you fat and keep you fat.

Teemo

But just for your edification, this is changing the argument

The OP is saying carbs make you fat. "Why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat."

Carbs won't make you fat unless your calories are above maintenance. Period. There's nothing wrong with carbs.

Stop spreading carb/insulin-phobia.

This is not what he said, or implied, but this does fit your argument, so you change the original argument, twist it just enough, making it easier to shoot down with your argument.

This thread is called "How and why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat". How can you say that OP isn't saying or implying that carbs make you fat?

freerange

But just for your edification, this is changing the argument

The OP is saying carbs make you fat. "Why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat."

Carbs won't make you fat unless your calories are above maintenance. Period. There's nothing wrong with carbs.

Stop spreading carb/insulin-phobia.

This is not what he said, or implied, but this does fit your argument, so you change the original argument, twist it just enough, making it easier to shoot down with your argument.

This thread is called "How and why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat". How can you say that OP isn't saying or implying that carbs make you fat?

Because that is not what he said, simple really.

mynameisuntz

Of course anyone who does their own investigation and dares to post their conclusion will be summarily roasted for it. Anything short of a peer reviewed double blind lifetime study of human guinea pigs will be insufficient. Such evidence will probably never happen because even if you can monitor and control a large group of people for years you can't control all the variables. I suppose if you were to take an army of clones and control every moment of their lives you might get the desired proof.

Until then we need to do what works for us and stop attacking people for doing what works for them.

It's one thing if the OP said, "I can't eat a lot of carbs and lose fat efficiently." He's speaking in very universal terms. I can eat a 2,200 calorie diet with 180g protein and the rest all carbs (which would equate to 370g carbs) and lean out real nice. It's absurd when people say, "YOU can't eat carbs" vs. "I can't eat carbs." OP is saying the former.

That is another of your faults, you read to much into others post. Or you give yourself too much credit, to think I would get upset over anything said on a on-line debate is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well shows your age a bit.

I don't give myself too much credit; I give the empirical research which I form my opinions on all the credit. I don't think I'm particularly smart, if anything my science background just gives me a heightened ability to think critically and scrutinize anything I hear.

Please quit with the patronizing. I could list your faults, too, but I'll refrain.

This is not what he said, or implied, but this does fit your argument, so you change the original argument, twist it just enough, making it easier to shoot down with your argument.

Truth is I made a mistake. I was responding through my cell phone and it's tougher to go back and forth between posts on there, so differences such as "carbs make you fat" vs. "carbs inhibit fat loss" get skewed while trying to respond to various things.

Regardless of this error, the OP is still horrifically and utterly wrong. Like when he said this:

A body builder that eats tons of carbs and no fat will be bloated and smooth versus defined.

Looks like someone doesn't know what muscle glycogen is. And I sincerely doubt he's ever really spoken to many bodybuilders if he seriously believes that. Womp womp.

daisymae9801

Mind you, I'm not terribly old, but I never heard anything bad about carbs until Atkins came around. And then all of the sudden, every joe on the street talks about how carbs are the devil, after they eat a LARGE extremely calorie dense meal and follow it with a mountain of chocolate and wash it down it can after can of diet coke.

Chocolate sadly has lots of carbs or I would've eaten nothing but chocolate when I tried Atkins :P

freerange

I don't give myself too much credit; I give the empirical research which I form my opinions on all the credit. I don't think I'm This A

So which of your empirical research lead you to believe I was upset about something you wrote?

Again with the changing of the argument.

fteale

I have read plenty of evidence that low carbing helps you lose weight fast because you just eat a lot less in general. That has definitely been true looking at the diaries of low carbers on here.

The calories in food are worked out by burning that food and seeing how much heat is given out, which is too simplistic a model for the way humans actually burn food. For instance we can use about twice as much of the protein in meat and diary than we do of that in vegetables because they are in a closer form to that of human composition, and so require less energy to turn them into human tissue.

I think the key is to keep your blood sugar constant, so carbs are ok, as long as they are in a whole form, like fruit, or whole grains, as they release energy slowly.

mynameisuntz

I don't give myself too much credit; I give the empirical research which I form my opinions on all the credit. I don't think I'm This A

So which of your empirical research lead you to believe I was upset about something you wrote?

Saying something like this, to me, implies that you are upset (not angry or bitter - just upset):

A little word to the wise, Mynameisutz likes to change the argument everytime the argument doesn't fit his stance, so arguing with him about anything is a waste of time, just saying. Anyone that thinks a calorie is a calorie cannot be taken seriously. Carry on.

When did I ever change the argument purposely? I made a mistake in this thread, which I just acknowledged and explained. If you think that's me intentionally changing the argument, then that's just silly considering I have since been addressing the OP based on his original intent. So, please, explain to me how that accusation is still justified.

Furthermore I never said a calorie is a calorie. A calorie is a calorie in the same way a car is a car. Obviously there are vast differences between a Ferrari and a Honda, but at the end of the day they both have an engine, 4 wheels, and get you from point A to point B. In that sense, a calorie is a calorie. But obviously there are subgroups of calories that will have different metabolic effects.