How and why carbs and a high carb intake will keep you fat!!
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I'm blanking on what ALS refers to.
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how can we change the pecent of carbs on our diary? someone said MFP is set at 50% and we can change it to 40%? would be helpful but if not ill just make sure i stay under then recommended carbs- hard to do for me.
Go to Goals, Change Goals, Custom and you can change percentages there.0 -
how can we change the pecent of carbs on our diary? someone said MFP is set at 50% and we can change it to 40%? would be helpful but if not ill just make sure i stay under then recommended carbs- hard to do for me.
Go to the MY HOME tab, then Goals, then Change Goals...0 -
Breaking my balls over here, man. Breaking. My. Balls.
Muahahaha!Can't we have SOME sort of public distinction between us? I mean, I like all your posts because we agree on most everything that I've read of your stuff, but I'm starting to read your posts and tell myself, "wow I really don't remember writing this...AWW HIM AGAIN! I'VE BEEN HAD!"
It makes so much sense! But I'm going to need to see some empirical evidence that feudal drug lords have any role in life span. Human, clinical trials only, please.I'm blanking on what ALS refers to.
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You don't need that much protein. 1to 2 grams/kg of body weight is sufficient for 99% of the population, or better yet 15-30% of total calories depending on their caloric intake..
Er, 2g/kg body weight is more than 1g/pound lean body mass.
Math is fun!
depends on your body fat %
For instance, a 180 lb man with 9% body fat would need just under 164 grams using the 1g/lb LBM
but only need just over 163 grams if they used the 2g per kg body weight
yes, this is nit-picky, but you started it.
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You don't need that much protein. 1to 2 grams/kg of body weight is sufficient for 99% of the population, or better yet 15-30% of total calories depending on their caloric intake..
Er, 2g/kg body weight is more than 1g/pound lean body mass.
Math is fun!
depends on your body fat %
For instance, a 180 lb man with 9% body fat would need just under 164 grams using the 1g/lb LBM
but only need just over 163 grams if they used the 2g per kg body weight
yes, this is nit-picky, but you started it.
Actually, the other guy started it. I merely continued it.0 -
Yep, now look at the wealth of information that DISPROVES his opinion. Want me to find a single study that shows you can lose fat with a high carb intake? Technically that's all I need to show the OP is wrong. One single case where someone lost fat with a high carb intake.Unfortunately for the OP, his opinion on this objective subject matter is wrong.
Ah, Untz, actually, you are incorrect. According to the definition below, it's really not possible for an opinion to be wrong.
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second Medical opinion.
It's my opinion that gravity is false. I also don't believe that the sun is the center of our solar system. Are these opinions correct, or logically sound to you? If I say that, then you have every right to tell me I'm wrong.
Similarly the OP IS wrong. It is not up for debate. Because, as mentioned already, the second I provide a single study where people with a high carb intake can lose fat is the moment his entire argument as he's presented it is disproven.
Doesn't matter what he meant or intended to say; what matters if what he said. And he has said multiple things in this thread, which I highly suggest you go check out again, because everything he's said has led me to believe that he is NOT drawing lines between different populations such as those who are insulin sensitive compared to those who are insulin resistant, or diabetic vs. non-diabetic. No, he is speaking in broad, universal terms.#1 - I have no idea what the OP believes for sure, or whether he intended to say "carbs will keep people fat" or "carbs will keep SOME people fat." I would guess that he MEANT the latter. And the fact, UNTZ, that you would agree with him if he had added one little word tells a tale. As for "grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." You can quote all the studies in the world, honestly - what I am going to believe is what I can see, hear, touch, and experience myself. If I develop an opinion contrary to what you believe, but based on my own experiences, it is "right" to me and "right" to anyone who has the same belief.
Still...not...getting it. If low carb works for YOU, are you going to tell me low carb will work for EVERYONE? This is why science exists. Your personal experiences are irrelevant to the rest of the population and are not able to be applied to the rest of the population. This is why we research. There's no way I'm looking for research to tell you what is best for you if you say you have found what works for you; that is NOT what I'm saying.
What I AM saying is I will find research to disprove that the low carb method is the best and most effective method for everyone, and not only that, but that it is NECESSARY for fat loss. THAT is what I'm disproving. Does that make sense...?
It doesn't matter what his experiences are. He is saying high carb = inhibited fat loss for EVERYONE. He is not speaking on his own behalf, but on the behalf of the human population. THAT is why he is wrong.#2 - That's his personal view, maybe based on his own experience, maybe based on his own studies - you can't say he's wrong because you have no idea WHY he has made the appraisal he has made because you haven't walked in his shoes.
Then we're in agreement and you don't even realize it.I believe some of what you believe - that carbs can and will keep SOME people fat, not all.
Never claimed to be an expert, but I'm willing to claim that I have a better grasp on it than the OP - who cites meaningless Youtube videos submitted by someone who is not a professional, whereas I cite sources that are the FOUNDATION of this field created by the professionals. Research is where doctors [should] form their opinions and stances on medications, methods, treatments, etc. THAT is what I cite; that is where the OP falls short.I just feel compelled to point out that just because you can cite a million articles and have an extensive vocabulary, that does not make you an expert on this subject...........on any subject, really.
Oh this post is rich. Give me a second to respond to how wrong it is, without opinion.
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Yep, now look at the wealth of information that DISPROVES his opinion. Want me to find a single study that shows you can lose fat with a high carb intake? Technically that's all I need to show the OP is wrong. One single case where someone lost fat with a high carb intake.
Are you saying ONE SINGLE CASE is empirical proof? Cause I’m just saying if you are, I can quickly show where you said the EXACT opposite just yesterday.
LOL do I even need to bring this one up?Doesn't matter what he meant or intended to say; what matters if what he said.What I AM saying is I will find research to disprove that the low carb method is the best and most effective method for everyone,
actually the latest studies, and there are more and more coming on line every day, suggest low carb IS the best way. Will it work for everybody? Probably not, BUT, the reasons have more to do with psychology, than physiology. There are VERY few people that would not be able to lose weight effectively on a low carb diet. [/quote]It doesn't matter what his experiences are. He is saying high carb = inhibited fat loss for EVERYONE. He is not speaking on his own behalf, but on the behalf of the human population. THAT is why he is wrong.
Actually he did not, he was speaking to this group of people;I see tons of people on MFP complaining about either lack of weight loss even under a deficit OR lack of muscle growth/fat loss.0 -
I am saying that if someone makes the claim that NO ONE can lose fat on a high carb intake, then you only need one person to disprove it.Are you saying ONE SINGLE CASE is empirical proof? Cause I’m just saying if you are, I can quickly show where you said the EXACT opposite just yesterday.
NO ONE = zero people.
One person =/= NO ONE.
Except he has been confronted time and time again and stuck to his original message. When you confronted me, I clarified, and as far as I can tell you accept the clarification.LOL do I even need to bring this one up?
So, yeah, guess I see a big difference there.
Feel free to present those studies.actually the latest studies, and there are more and more coming on line every day, suggest low carb IS the best way. Will it work for everybody? Probably not, BUT, the reasons have more to do with psychology, than physiology. There are VERY few people that would not be able to lose weight effectively on a low carb diet.
I agree that diet adherence is the greatest factor in determining long-term success, if that's what you're implying, however I have not seen enough information that suggests low carb has the highest diet adherence. In fact I believe I've seen the opposite, as diets that are less restrictive in carbs have often been the easiest to follow given the more lax terms.
However, the OP did not bring up diet adherence ever. He is bringing up the physiology of nutrition/human body. He's talking about, calorie for calorie, a low carb diet > high carb diet. And that is what's false. For many people, that is simply not the case in that there is really no difference between low carb and high carb.
I THRIVE off high carbs. I've done a low carb diet - did it for about 2 months. And I see the same fat loss results with a higher carb diet, and feel much better doing it. I alone defy the idea that, calorie for calorie, a low carb diet is superior.
Yep, that's his first statement. Which is why I didn't call him outright wrong, but initially responded with: "Carbs won't make you fat if you have a proper caloric intake.............. " for more clarification on his position. He continued to spout nonsense such as:ctually he did not, he was speaking to this group of people;I see tons of people on MFP complaining about either lack of weight loss even under a deficit OR lack of muscle growth/fat loss.
"A body builder that eats tons of carbs and no fat will be bloated and smooth versus defined."
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" i said it will keep your body fat because your body will use muscle as energy before it will use fat."
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A good ratio for a normal person, is 40% carbs 30% protein and 30% fat. MFP is set to 55% carbs. You can reset it.
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those studies have been posted, many, many times. You just throw stones at them, as not being empirical studies, or N size being too small, or duration not being long enough, or whatever other excuse you can come up with to discount them. Show me one empirical study that shows low carb is NOT the best way to lose weight.Feel free to present those studies.0 -
those studies have been posted, many, many times. You just throw stones at them, as not being empirical studies, or N size being too small, or duration not being long enough, or whatever other excuse you can come up with to discount them. Show me one empirical study that shows low carb is NOT the best way to lose weight.Feel free to present those studies.
I don't have a hard line side on either side of this discussion, however, those things are actually important when discussing studies and the science behind something. Those types of things and their importance are taught in every college science 101 that I have taken.0 -
I have not seen them. Either way, I would not throw stones at them if they are legitimate. If it turns out that research finds a low carb diet is easiest to adhere to, why would I have a problem with it? I don't have a problem with a low carb diet; I have a problem with someone telling me it's THE best for fat loss, even when calories are kept consistent.those studies have been posted, many, many times. You just throw stones at them, as not being empirical studies, or N size being too small, or duration not being long enough, or whatever other excuse you can come up with to discount them. Show me one empirical study that shows low carb is NOT the best way to lose weight.
I don't have to show you a study that low carb is not the best. That's not how science works. You make a claim that is counter to the null hypothesis, which states the independent variable has no effect. If you believe lowering carbs has an effect, which runs counter to the null hypothesis that I just stated, the burden of proof is on YOU. YOU make the claim, YOU provide the evidence; I do not disprove it for you.
If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
EDIT: I see one study, after a quick search, that shows the Atkins diet having a higher adherence rate than the ORNISH diet, though the difference was not statistically significant.
P.S. I'm not making the claim that a higher carb diet is definitively easier to adhere to long-term than a lower carb diet. I, quite frankly, don't care either way. All I care about is when someone says a higher carb diet inhibit fat loss when it clearly does not.0 -
If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Scientifically, because you can't.0 -
If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Disprove that!
Incidentally, unicorn meat is high in Omega 3's, I hear.0 -
If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Disprove that!
Incidentally, unicorn meat is high in Omega 3's, I hear.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/0 -
I understand. I just don't think freerange here understands how this process works.
If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Scientifically, because you can't.
He makes the claim, he provides the evidence. Every hypothesis has a null hypothesis; if your hypothesis goes against the null (where the IV has no effect on the DV), then YOU are the one who has to prove it. You don't ask the people supporting the null hypothesis to disprove their stance. That's not how it works.
But here he's asking me to show that a low carb diet is NOT the best. That's now how science works. I don't do the work for him.
High in Omega-3s and MDMA. And dreams.If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Disprove that!
Incidentally, unicorn meat is high in Omega 3's, I hear.
Gotta watch that n-6/n-3 ratio, bro.0 -
If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Disprove that!
Incidentally, unicorn meat is high in Omega 3's, I hear.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/
My fault, did I say Omega 3? I meant sparkles.0 -
I've seen that typo more times than you'd believe.If I claim that unicorns exist, I don't ask you to disprove it.
Disprove that!
Incidentally, unicorn meat is high in Omega 3's, I hear.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/
My fault, did I say Omega 3? I meant sparkles.0 -
Thanks for sharing this video, I've been listening to his videos all day now I like! 0
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But, they're wrong...Thanks for sharing this video, I've been listening to his videos all day now I like!
Unless, maybe, you're insulin resistant.0 -
\Is butter a carb?
NO
Still find it funny that people are taking a quote from the movie Mean Girls and treating it like a serious question...
The rest of the thread is entertaining. Not because of the science being debated, but because adults are acting like children...0 -
I am a bread lover and have changed to lower calorie bread... thinking that this will make it all better. I have never hit my max on MFP for carbs so I thought I was doing good. I have been at a stand still with my weight loss... staying under my calories and working out. I was complaining to my trainer yesterday about this... We won't over my food journals and I was told that I needed to cut more carbs out of my diet.. That the carbs are what is keeping me from losing. Damn you... bread.. why must you be soo good??0
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Alright, everyone, no more talk about unicorns and sparkles. Let's go back to being adults.The rest of the thread is entertaining. Not because of the science being debated, but because adults are acting like children...0 -
I am a bread lover and have changed to lower calorie bread... thinking that this will make it all better. I have never hit my max on MFP for carbs so I thought I was doing good. I have been at a stand still with my weight loss... staying under my calories and working out. I was complaining to my trainer yesterday about this... We won't over my food journals and I was told that I needed to cut more carbs out of my diet.. That the carbs are what is keeping me from losing. Damn you... bread.. why must you be soo good??
I am not saying that your trainer is wrong...but is your trainer a certified nutritionist? If not, then he/she is not really qualified to give you advice on your food. Now they may be right for your case...but just wanted to say that personal trainers are 99% untrained when it comes to nutrition. I've been through 3 different CPT "trainings" and it was all exercise with a very basic look at macros and calories. Just sayin.0 -
Thanks for the link to the video. I really liked it and it helped me remember important things I wasn't applying.
Thanks for taking the time to share.0 -
I am not saying that your trainer is wrong...but is your trainer a certified nutritionist? If not, then he/she is not really qualified to give you advice on your food. Now they may be right for your case...but just wanted to say that personal trainers are 99% untrained when it comes to nutrition. I've been through 3 different CPT "trainings" and it was all exercise with a very basic look at macros and calories. Just sayin.
Incidentally, the same applies to many doctors.0
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