Too large for a seat, did the venue respond correctly?

daisy89

Well said, it seems to be all about her being fat! If she had been cute as a button and charmed the usher who moved her and her friend up to "better" seats there wouldn't have been a discussion....
Prejudice is when we generalize, all fat people are bad, lazy, ugly and deserve to stay home.

i call bulls*** on this also. i dont care who you are or what you look like, if you paid for a seat then that is where you should sit. an upgrade should only be given if the VENUE is at fault for something.

Or it can be given if the VENUE decides to. It's not your venue, you don't own it, and therefore you can't change the decision.

Also, why did you have to turn this into a race or ethnic issue? And to prove you wrong: https://fmafe.org/Home.html

That's a scholarship ONLY given to White Males. Do some research before you prove your ignorance.

boomboom011

Well said, it seems to be all about her being fat! If she had been cute as a button and charmed the usher who moved her and her friend up to "better" seats there wouldn't have been a discussion....
Prejudice is when we generalize, all fat people are bad, lazy, ugly and deserve to stay home.

i call bulls*** on this also. i dont care who you are or what you look like, if you paid for a seat then that is where you should sit. an upgrade should only be given if the VENUE is at fault for something.

Or it can be given if the VENUE decides to. It's not your venue, you don't own it, and therefore you can't change the decision.

Also, why did you have to turn this into a race or ethnic issue? And to prove you wrong: https://fmafe.org/Home.html

That's a scholarship ONLY given to White Males. Do some research before you prove your ignorance.

did i miss something? i didnt see anything about race.

zorbaru

Also, why did you have to turn this into a race or ethnic issue? And to prove you wrong: https://fmafe.org/Home.html

That's a scholarship ONLY given to White Males. Do some research before you prove your ignorance.

im not trying to turn this in to a race or ethnic or gender issue, the whole thing is about equality. and thats all i want.

for the record i think that a scholoarship for white males is just as wrong, and if you read my post i didnt say there wasnt any, just that i didnt know of any. my point is this

give upgrades to ANYONE if it is applicable. allow anyone to join anything if they meet the criteria that is not based on age, sex, race, weight, sexual preference.

there is too much "lets try not to offend anyone" and not enough "lets look at the situation rather than the person"

daisy89

did i miss something? i didnt see anything about race.

Boomboom: It was in his/her previous post. Above the one I quoted.

There are a lot of things out there (clubs, scholarships, competitions etc) out there that are for specific groups of people. But i know of none that are only for white males. where is the equality of that?

Zorbaru: I can agree with you on meeting eligible criteria. But, as we are all created equal, we can not all be treated equally. We're all different, we're all good at different things, and we're equally as bad at different things as well.

Why can't it just be: she got an upgrade because it was a fire-hazard to put her anywhere else, so good for her.

Why can't we just be happy that something good happened to someone regardless of her being over-weight or obese?

In the end, none of this will matter. If you're a religious person (what ever religion), then you'll just accept that God (or whomever you prefer) has his plans for her, maybe that day was one of them, and that someday we'll understand what it was for.


Edited to fix a typo.

zorbaru

Daisy,

From the OP it states that there was a general admission lawn. I doubt it would have been a fire hazzard for her to have been moved there. I think that moving her there and offering a refund of the price difference would have been a much fairer option than to give her (and her friend that would have been able to sit fine in her paid seat) a free upgrade to a section where the seats are $350 each more expensive, when there was no fault on the side of the venue.

I beleive it is unfair to those that sat in that section and didnt get a free upgrade, and it is unfair to the people that paid full price for their VIP seats. if there was honestly no where else they could have put her then a full refund could have been offered. However, i beleive that the only reason the venue did it was for fear that they would be sued or badmouthed if they didnt.

and there is my underlying point. the fear of offending someone has in some instances, taken over from common sense.

tiffanyquincey

i, honestly, as the big mouthed mean person i am, would've gone straight up to management and complained about her getting an upgrade. she paid for the section she was in and if she was "that" big, then i'm sure this is not the first time she didnt fit into a seat. I'm sorry, but if there was seating available on the lawn, they shouldve refunded the difference. If i have to pay for a better seat, then she should too. Just like it was my own fault for getting as big as i have, it was her own fault for being her size and she shouldnt get special treatment for something like that. regardless of how embarrassing it was for her, the venue shouldnt have given her special treatment. Normally, if you require special seating (ie wheelchair/stroller) you ask the venue about it before hand. this is another type of instance you should call about. i feel her inconvenience was her own fault for not inquiring. the venue provided standard seating. if you cant use standard seating, you need to call, not complain and get a free upgrade.

THIS. I was trying to figure out a way to say this without sounding heartless, but you are much better with words than me.

daisy89

Daisy,

From the OP it states that there was a general admission lawn. I doubt it would have been a fire hazzard for her to have been moved there. I think that moving her there and offering a refund of the price difference would have been a much fairer option than to give her (and her friend that would have been able to sit fine in her paid seat) a free upgrade to a section where the seats are $350 each more expensive, when there was no fault on the side of the venue.

I beleive it is unfair to those that sat in that section and didnt get a free upgrade, and it is unfair to the people that paid full price for their VIP seats. if there was honestly no where else they could have put her then a full refund could have been offered. However, i beleive that the only reason the venue did it was for fear that they would be sued or badmouthed if they didnt.

and there is my underlying point. the fear of offending someone has in some instances, taken over from common sense.

But you can't say that for a fact.

What if they simply did it out of excellent customer service? What if the owner of the venue has an extremely obese relative and knows that NOT all chairs are made the same or uniformly and it can be very difficult for an obese person to gauge whether or not they'll be able to fit?

What if the owner of the venue is overweight themselves and was able to sympathize with the woman?

What if had nothing to do at all with being politically correct? What if it was just kindness? Just a simple kind act, which will hopefully be rewarded later.

What if no one actually cares what happened that night?

As for it being unfair to everyone else, such is life. You can't cry about life being fair every time something doesn't go your way.

You can only hope that life will be kind, and that others will be too.

fastbelly

I wouldn't be annoyed the slightest with that. I had what I had payed for and that's all I had to care about. It would also be nice to know that the venue would go above and beyond the call to make someone with a problem feel comfortable, who knows one day it could be me needing assistance with a similar or different problem.

Well done to the staff that resolved the problem.

Gary1977

I wouldn't be annoyed the slightest with that. I had what I had payed for and that's all I had to care about. It would also be nice to know that the venue would go above and beyond the call to make someone with a problem feel comfortable, who knows one day it could be me needing assistance with a similar or different problem.

Well done to the staff that resolved the problem.

Great post! Now, I can speak on this situation as I'm a person that can't fit into regular seats(yet). Last March I attended a UFC fight night in Charlotte,NC. As a morbidly obese person, I knew that seating would be an issue for me. To combat this, I called the manager of the venue ahead of time to arrange seating that would fit my needs. Most if all places will do their best to accomodate special needs if given time to make the preparations for it. When we arrived, we were told to let the ticket attendant know our situation and they would take us the the seats we had arranged. The problem is they had dropped the ball and forgot to have our seats. I stayed calm and informed the attendant that we needed to speak with the manager so we could still be accomodated. To shorten the story, we were seated in what was used as a press box when minor league hockey games are played there. It was one level better than what we had paid for, but as THEY MADE THE MISTAKE, we weren't at fault. People around us gave us a look like how the hell the four of us got a section to ourselves with tables to place our goods on.

I feel for the woman being in the same shoes as her, BUT SHE KNEW THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM AND SHE SHOULD HAVE PLANNED AHEAD! If you aren't going to do anything about your weight( I am now), at least plan around it.

zorbaru

Daisy,

May have to agree to disagree on this one.

of course no one knows all the facts. its all about speculation. but in the general sense, all i want is for people to be treated equally. i dont think anyone should get a free upgrade unless the venue was at fault, regardless.

feliciapeters

I wouldn't be annoyed the slightest with that. I had what I had payed for and that's all I had to care about. It would also be nice to know that the venue would go above and beyond the call to make someone with a problem feel comfortable, who knows one day it could be me needing assistance with a similar or different problem.

Well done to the staff that resolved the problem.

BRAVO. Why are you people so petty as to be bothered by someone having a bit of good luck in a situation that could have been embarrasing?
Would you be upset if someone you know found a lottery ticket that was a big winner when the one YOU bought lost?
Seriously people get a grip

angryguy77

I wouldn't be annoyed the slightest with that. I had what I had payed for and that's all I had to care about. It would also be nice to know that the venue would go above and beyond the call to make someone with a problem feel comfortable, who knows one day it could be me needing assistance with a similar or different problem.

Well done to the staff that resolved the problem.

BRAVO. Why are you people so petty as to be bothered by someone having a bit of good luck in a situation that could have been embarrasing?
Would you be upset if someone you know found a lottery ticket that was a big winner when the one YOU bought lost?
Seriously people get a grip

This is a self-induced problem that she benefited from. She was given something for free because she abuses her body. She is rewarded for bad habits. It wasn't fair, the only thing that would have been fair would have been for her to a) deal with it in a way the op suggested or b)get a refund for the seat and wait outside.

It's common sense that venues made for shows are not going to have very wide seats. As a large person, she should no the risk.

It's not the venues fault, rather she should take responsibility for her own actions.

kappyblu

I can't believe this thread is still going! Good grief! The whole problem started with someone whose heart was hurting for a lady who couldn't fit into her seat...and then quickly changed when the lady got something the OP didn't.

"What about me?" "That's not fair!" Blah blah blah

These are things children say! I have heard them from my own kids, whom I love dearly, but are chidren who sometimes get jealous when someone gets something they don't (i.e. birthday presents)

I find it very interesting that a lot (not all) of the people who are saying the venue was wrong and/or the lady took advantage have less than 100 pounds to lose. I hope you or someone you love never has to feel the pain that the lady most likely feels every day.

LIfe is not always fair, people are not always treated equally, and businesses will do all they can to avoid a potential law suit. Do the best you can to live your life to the fullest and don't stress yourself out about people and situations you cannot change.

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