People judge - that's just "reality" - BULL****!

Ajontheguitar

The excuses culture of today really concerns me. I wonder how many morbidly obese cavemen there were dragging their gigantic bodies around... when do we ever see an overweight wild animal? We don't. It's ridiculous that people walk around 5 stone overweight and say 'I'm naturally like this'.

I'm not saying body shapes don't come in all different shapes and sizes, they do, but it's a shame to always hear people making excuses.

If you're making excuses for being fat, then you're not ready to lose weight. Simple.

Morbidly obese cavemen also didn't have any other way around it, and GENETICS that have been passed down through the corruption of the human bodies system didn't exist. Let me educate you on this, since you're comparing the monolithic human to the current one. This akin is comparing my house cat to a mountain lion. A great majority of the obese are lazy and not changing their situation. True, and I get it. However a lot of people and including some of the aforementioned lazies, have genetic pre-dispositions to their body DEMANDING sugar. My girlfriend fights it on a daily basis. How she is not overweight, I am amazed. Her body literally sends multiple signals--through limb and joint pain, anxiety, hostility, etc. It's a hypoglycemic issue that really does exist.

Alyx128

I am overweight, but I have never been obese. I am big enough to be considered chubby or thick by other people, but not so big as to be judged as self destructive or mentally unstable I used to eat HORRIBLY and not workout ever. I have had friends that were obese who ate less and had a higher activity level, but they maintained much more weight. I think that what she is saying here is that just because someone is obese doesn't mean they necessarily have a severe eating disorder (like most of the people who are on the biggest loser) and emotional issues. Plenty of obese people just eat the typical crappy american diet and and are predisposed to store more weight than the rest of the merely overweight Americans (and those lucky few who can eat whatever they want and not gain weight).

That being said it is harder for some people to lose weight than others, but it is still possible to lose weight with hard work. As long as she is making a strong effort and working hard towards her weight loss goal, I think she has the right to vent about the frustration of being judged by people who don't understand her individual situation.

songbyrdsweet

The excuses culture of today really concerns me. I wonder how many morbidly obese cavemen there were dragging their gigantic bodies around... when do we ever see an overweight wild animal? We don't. It's ridiculous that people walk around 5 stone overweight and say 'I'm naturally like this'.

I'm not saying body shapes don't come in all different shapes and sizes, they do, but it's a shame to always hear people making excuses.

If you're making excuses for being fat, then you're not ready to lose weight. Simple.

We don't see obese wild animals because they are constantly moving to either eat or be eaten, are generally not omnivorous, and go for a long time between meals.

We DO see obese domesticated animals, and we have become domesticated animals. Our metabolisms are still engineered to be thrifty. It takes much more work to lose fat than to gain it. Some people do have a genetic predisposition to fat gain, and while they do still need an excess of calories, it really is more difficult for them to lose fat. We have done studies taking the intestinal bacteria from obese mice and putting them into lean, bacteria-free mice. The lean mice who were previously resistant to weight gain become obese when they are colonized by the intestinal bacteria from the obese mice. Obese people express different levels of inflammatory gene receptors and experience metabolic inflexibility wherein their energy systems don't adapt to the energy substrate coming in (glucose vs. fatty acids).

Yes, people can naturally be prone to becoming overweight. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try to lose it.

Have you ever seen a caveman at all? :huh:

songbyrdsweet

The excuses culture of today really concerns me. I wonder how many morbidly obese cavemen there were dragging their gigantic bodies around... when do we ever see an overweight wild animal? We don't. It's ridiculous that people walk around 5 stone overweight and say 'I'm naturally like this'.

I'm not saying body shapes don't come in all different shapes and sizes, they do, but it's a shame to always hear people making excuses.

If you're making excuses for being fat, then you're not ready to lose weight. Simple.

Morbidly obese cavemen also didn't have any other way around it, and GENETICS that have been passed down through the corruption of the human bodies system didn't exist. Let me educate you on this, since you're comparing the monolithic human to the current one. This akin is comparing my house cat to a mountain lion. A great majority of the obese are lazy and not changing their situation. True, and I get it. However a lot of people and including some of the aforementioned lazies, have genetic pre-dispositions to their body DEMANDING sugar. My girlfriend fights it on a daily basis. How she is not overweight, I am amazed. Her body literally sends multiple signals--through limb and joint pain, anxiety, hostility, etc. It's a hypoglycemic issue that really does exist.

Where are you guys finding all these cavemen!? :frown:

Ajontheguitar

The excuses culture of today really concerns me. I wonder how many morbidly obese cavemen there were dragging their gigantic bodies around... when do we ever see an overweight wild animal? We don't. It's ridiculous that people walk around 5 stone overweight and say 'I'm naturally like this'.

I'm not saying body shapes don't come in all different shapes and sizes, they do, but it's a shame to always hear people making excuses.

If you're making excuses for being fat, then you're not ready to lose weight. Simple.

We don't see obese wild animals because they are constantly moving to either eat or be eaten, are generally not omnivorous, and go for a long time between meals.

We DO see obese domesticated animals, and we have become domesticated animals. Our metabolisms are still engineered to be thrifty. It takes much more work to lose fat than to gain it. Some people do have a genetic predisposition to fat gain, and while they do still need an excess of calories, it really is more difficult for them to lose fat. We have done studies taking the intestinal bacteria from obese mice and putting them into lean, bacteria-free mice. The lean mice who were previously resistant to weight gain become obese when they are colonized by the intestinal bacteria from the obese mice. Obese people express different levels of inflammatory gene receptors and experience metabolic inflexibility wherein their energy systems don't adapt to the energy substrate coming in (glucose vs. fatty acids).

Yes, people can naturally be prone to becoming overweight. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try to lose it.

Have you ever seen a caveman at all? :huh:

No, people see geico commercials and are anthropology scholars. Forbid they realize the human in question and the humans that exist now were at best, related.

Qarol

We DO see obese domesticated animals

It really, really bothers me when I see obese animals. Especially dachshunds because of their long shape, the extra weight is really dangerous. (I have dachshunds.) Some people shouldn't have pets.

Ajontheguitar

The excuses culture of today really concerns me. I wonder how many morbidly obese cavemen there were dragging their gigantic bodies around... when do we ever see an overweight wild animal? We don't. It's ridiculous that people walk around 5 stone overweight and say 'I'm naturally like this'.

I'm not saying body shapes don't come in all different shapes and sizes, they do, but it's a shame to always hear people making excuses.

If you're making excuses for being fat, then you're not ready to lose weight. Simple.

We don't see obese wild animals because they are constantly moving to either eat or be eaten, are generally not omnivorous, and go for a long time between meals.

We DO see obese domesticated animals, and we have become domesticated animals. Our metabolisms are still engineered to be thrifty. It takes much more work to lose fat than to gain it. Some people do have a genetic predisposition to fat gain, and while they do still need an excess of calories, it really is more difficult for them to lose fat. We have done studies taking the intestinal bacteria from obese mice and putting them into lean, bacteria-free mice. The lean mice who were previously resistant to weight gain become obese when they are colonized by the intestinal bacteria from the obese mice. Obese people express different levels of inflammatory gene receptors and experience metabolic inflexibility wherein their energy systems don't adapt to the energy substrate coming in (glucose vs. fatty acids).

Yes, people can naturally be prone to becoming overweight. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try to lose it.

Have you ever seen a caveman at all? :huh:

No, people see geico commercials and are anthropology scholars. Forbid they realize the human in question and the humans that exist now were at best, related. Anthropologists find their remains all the time. That's why their anthropologists.

fteale

>There are a whole load of hormones that regulate bodyweight, normal people remain the same age ajusted weight year in year out despite changes in eating, activity and so on because the body knows how much fat it wants to have around and will actively adjust intake and expenditure.<

I want to know who these normal people are, because I'm not so sure they exist. Even if they did, it would be seriously hard to prove. In fact, hundreds of people, to get a correct sample size, over their lifetimes, tracking everything they put in their mouths with perfect accuracy.

There's plenty of studies been done on it



Do you honestly believe all thin people are that way because they're putting effort into it? And why would you need to track what they eat, if they stay the same weight, and don't try to maintain that weight but just naturally stay that way, then their appetite and expenditure (and it doesn't really matter which) is adjusting to maintain that weight.

I honestly think thin people are that way either through hard work, or because they are people who aren't that interested in food, naturally. I come from a family of thin people, I am the biggest of my sisters, and most of them just aren't that into food. I know plenty of people who just forget to eat, or can't be bothered to. They are usually thin. I also know plenty of people who love cake and wine and in general they are fat....unless they work hard at their figure. Not everyone who is thin has to work hard at it, because not everyone is obsessed with food. But a lot of people are.

Ajontheguitar

The excuses culture of today really concerns me. I wonder how many morbidly obese cavemen there were dragging their gigantic bodies around... when do we ever see an overweight wild animal? We don't. It's ridiculous that people walk around 5 stone overweight and say 'I'm naturally like this'.

I'm not saying body shapes don't come in all different shapes and sizes, they do, but it's a shame to always hear people making excuses.

If you're making excuses for being fat, then you're not ready to lose weight. Simple.

We don't see obese wild animals because they are constantly moving to either eat or be eaten, are generally not omnivorous, and go for a long time between meals.

We DO see obese domesticated animals, and we have become domesticated animals. Our metabolisms are still engineered to be thrifty. It takes much more work to lose fat than to gain it. Some people do have a genetic predisposition to fat gain, and while they do still need an excess of calories, it really is more difficult for them to lose fat. We have done studies taking the intestinal bacteria from obese mice and putting them into lean, bacteria-free mice. The lean mice who were previously resistant to weight gain become obese when they are colonized by the intestinal bacteria from the obese mice. Obese people express different levels of inflammatory gene receptors and experience metabolic inflexibility wherein their energy systems don't adapt to the energy substrate coming in (glucose vs. fatty acids).

Yes, people can naturally be prone to becoming overweight. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try to lose it.

Have you ever seen a caveman at all? :huh:

No, people see geico commercials and are anthropology scholars. Forbid they realize the human in question and the humans that exist now were at best, related. Anthropologists find their remains all the time. That's why they're anthropologists.

Ajontheguitar

Thank you MFP for screwing up my links on the message boards.

candistyx

In response to this thread I've created a seperate thread because I think the issues being discussed could easily be seperated out into several different things and I am interested in one specific thing.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/297857-do-you-think-fat-people-ought-to-lose-weight

I AM losing weight... but I really find disturbing the idea that if other people don't that on some level that is wrong (even if just in the "I dont care what they do but they're too disgusting for me to associate with, personally" kind of level).

songbyrdsweet

Thank you MFP for screwing up my links on the message boards.

LOL, that's ok. But the remains they find don't have fat on them. It's just bones. Usually with teeth marks. So maybe cavemen were lovely and plump...good eats! :laugh:

jjhanlon

Yeah but... 1/3rd of women at any given time are on a diet apparently...
..it's really not for lack of trying for some people.

Right. Which is why Atkins works great for a lot of people. It eliminates there insulin sensitivity and unlocks them from growth mode allowing them to lose weight. Which is fabulous, but then what. They stop paying attention again, stop doing something about it and they gain it all back, then they claim that they have a physiological problem that means they can never lose weight. That is total self delusional BS. No matter what physiological problem people have there is nothing that dooms them to a life of obesity. People may have problems that make it hard as heII but not impossible. And to me insulin sensitivity an excuse for either not trying or an excuse for failing.

YES YES YES. THANK YOU. AMEN. One of my coworkers is 300+ and a very petite person. This person was a premie 35 years ago. They overfed them then, to "catch up" to their normal weight. Science has now shown that overfeeding premature babies is linked to obesity later in life. Yet, this person still eats 3,000+ calories every day, and does NOTHING about their weight. There lies the problem. Complacency. It takes hard f****ing work to get yourself healthy and to a normal BMI. Most people try for 5 minutes and when that doesn't work, they give up. YOU CAN'T GIVE UP!!! There isn't a quick fix for years and years and years of "conditioned hypereating" (to use a term from The end of overeating by Dr. David Kessler, MD). <---- If you want a book that will shed some light on a large part of why America is fat, read that one. The guy did lots of research and talked to lots of biggies in the food/restaurant industry.

Our bodies are geared to work for the food we put in it. Now that food is everywhere, we don't have to. Please tell me I don't have to put 2 and 2 together for you here

Ok. Off my soapbox now.

Ajontheguitar

That's my point though. I don't like the comparison to cavemen when they were structurally a lot different. We don't know if they were fat, thin, or made of synthetic alloy.

songbyrdsweet

That's my point though. I don't like the comparison to cavemen when they were structurally a lot different. We don't know if they were fat, thin, or made of synthetic alloy.

Well I'd probably guess against synthetic alloy, otherwise I feel like there'd be more left behind. :bigsmile: And I agree it's a silly comparison. Most people think neanderthal = caveman = us, but homo sapiens sapiens actually was a different evolutionary branch and evidence suggests that neanderthals died off because they couldn't compete with homo sapiens sapiens.

zoodalia

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

FearAnLoathing

So easy even a caveman could do it........................

Ajontheguitar

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

My flat you UK are adorable and I mean that genuinely.

songbyrdsweet

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame genetics, my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

I'm not offended. But I do claim to be a professional in metabolism. :laugh: I'm just saying the issue of weight gain is more complex than over-eating. And we are animals, but we are domesticated. If you want to see an undomesticated population, go to forests of Papua New Guinea. Those guys are lean.

zoodalia

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame genetics, my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

I'm not offended. But I do claim to be a professional in metabolism. :laugh: I'm just saying the issue of weight gain is more complex than over-eating. And we are animals, but we are domesticated. If you want to see an undomesticated population, go to forests of Papua New Guinea. Those guys are lean.

Thanks for your response, unfortunately my expertise lies elsewhere so am always interested to hear a more educated perspective. I also agree we are domesticated, I'm looking for someone to explain how that justifies obesity?

zoodalia

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

My flat you UK are adorable and I mean that genuinely.

Ha, is 'flat' a strange choice of words?

songbyrdsweet

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame genetics, my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

I'm not offended. But I do claim to be a professional in metabolism. :laugh: I'm just saying the issue of weight gain is more complex than over-eating. And we are animals, but we are domesticated. If you want to see an undomesticated population, go to forests of Papua New Guinea. Those guys are lean.

Thanks for your response, unfortunately my expertise lies elsewhere so am always interested to hear a more educated perspective. I also agree we are domesticated, I'm looking for someone to explain why that explains how that justifies obesity?

Does obesity need to be justified? I didn't think it was a moral issue. :huh: I can explain why people maintain their obesity and why they are predisposed to it, but I can't justify obesity any more than I can justify having brown hair. I can change my hair color artificially, but genetically, it's still brown. It just...is.

myofibril

Personally, I feel the question of "WHY" we are fat or we are genetically predisposed to putting on weight is a redundant one outside of academia. I don't really care what caveman did or did not eat, how they hunted and so on. It's just the intellectual equivalent of guys comparing the sizes of their wangs.

It maybe interesting but it is now way as important as "HOW"

How can I lose weight safely and effectively. How can I structure my eating to minimise hunger? How can I preserve lean mass whilst in a calorie deficit?

How questions are goal orientated. They put you in a more positive place than why questions. Why is it so difficult for me to lose weight? Why can some people lose weight so much quicker than I can? Why does it have to be so hard?

songbyrdsweet

Personally, I feel the question of "WHY" we are fat or we are genetically predisposed to putting on weight is a redundant one outside of academia.

Hey, I resemble that remark! :laugh: I think if we (academia) can come up with some solutions, the WHY will have paid off. But when people are looking for a justification...well that's purely subjective. No one can give a straight, reasonable answer on that one. When someone asks me why, I want to explain metabolic endotoxemia! But that doesn't really help them, because they were looking for a motivation, not a signaling cascade.

Kalrez

Sounds like you should probably stop trying to blame anything other than yourself for your weight gain. Take responsibility for your past actions so that you can make the changes today for the body you want tomorrow. You can't make any headway on this journey by continuing to blame others for your decisions and your actions.

You did it. Own it, and move on.

zoodalia

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame genetics, my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

I'm not offended. But I do claim to be a professional in metabolism. :laugh: I'm just saying the issue of weight gain is more complex than over-eating. And we are animals, but we are domesticated. If you want to see an undomesticated population, go to forests of Papua New Guinea. Those guys are lean.

Thanks for your response, unfortunately my expertise lies elsewhere so am always interested to hear a more educated perspective. I also agree we are domesticated, I'm looking for someone to explain why that explains how that justifies obesity?

Does obesity need to be justified? I didn't think it was a moral issue. :huh: I can explain why people maintain their obesity and why they are predisposed to it, but I can't justify obesity any more than I can justify having brown hair. I can change my hair color artificially, but genetically, it's still brown. It just...is.

Well, that appears to be where I lack the relevant education then. I am naturally a brunette, I was born with black hair and hazel eyes. I wasn't born fat. My sister has very little interest in food and our mother reports that she always did and contrastively reports that I was always a big eater, so I accept that people are predisposed to eat more. However, I struggle to accept (clinical conditions excluded) why some people claim to be overweight naturally. I am not criticising people for getting fat, I don't make any judgements when I see an overweight person in the street, I myself, am in that category. I'm simply questioning the reasoning behind it, and also seeking clarity in the arguments that 'some people are naturally fat'.

songbyrdsweet

Gosh, what a debate I have started. I'm sorry my viewpoint appears to have offended so many people. However, I stand by my opinions. I am not claiming to be an expert in human development... but I do believe that we live in an excuses culture in which people will do anything to avoid facing reality. I also think that is a great shame.

Some people are predisposed to gain more weight than others, I have a friend who eats takeaways constantly, yet I eat more than one a week and I gain two stone in a year (reality). I am on this website to lose weight, and therefore consider myself someone who puts on weight easily. I don't blame genetics, my parents, my flat, my cats or the socks I put in the wash last week. I am psychological sound enough to assess the food I was eating and the link it had to my weight gain.

I also stand by my comments about wild animals - - - last time I checked humans are animals, just ones that don't chase or get chased often enough! Some people have clinical conditions that cause weight gain, I am not including those in my post, I am including the other millions who try desperately to apply reasons other than over-eating to the causes of their weight gain.

I'm not offended. But I do claim to be a professional in metabolism. :laugh: I'm just saying the issue of weight gain is more complex than over-eating. And we are animals, but we are domesticated. If you want to see an undomesticated population, go to forests of Papua New Guinea. Those guys are lean.

Thanks for your response, unfortunately my expertise lies elsewhere so am always interested to hear a more educated perspective. I also agree we are domesticated, I'm looking for someone to explain why that explains how that justifies obesity?

Does obesity need to be justified? I didn't think it was a moral issue. :huh: I can explain why people maintain their obesity and why they are predisposed to it, but I can't justify obesity any more than I can justify having brown hair. I can change my hair color artificially, but genetically, it's still brown. It just...is.

Well, that appears to be where I lack the relevant education then. I am naturally a brunette, I was born with black hair and hazel eyes. I wasn't born fat. My sister has very little interest in food and our mother reports that she always did and contrastively reports that I was always a big eater, so I accept that people are predisposed to eat more. However, I struggle to accept (clinical conditions excluded) why some people claim to be overweight naturally. I am not criticising people for getting fat, I don't make any judgements when I see an overweight person in the street, I myself, am in that category. I'm simply questioning the reasoning behind it, and also clarity in the arguments that 'some people are naturally fat'.

Well it's hard to be born fat considering you only begin to gain body fat in about the last 4 weeks. You might find epigenetics interesting. It is the study of how a mother's habits during pregnancy (nutritional as well, not just unhealthy things) will influence her fetus's DNA through phosphorylation of histidine residues, mostly. It really starts before you are even fully formed.

fteale

That's my point though. I don't like the comparison to cavemen when they were structurally a lot different. We don't know if they were fat, thin, or made of synthetic alloy.

Depends what you mean by cavemen. Homo Sapiens neanderthalensis may have been slightly different in structure to modern humans, but homo sapiens sapiens, who left Africa around 100-70000 years ago were the same subspecies as the humans on Earth today, and there is plenty of evidence in their skeletal remains to show us their build and diets. You wouldn't believe how much research has been done on the micronutrients in bones and hair of early humans. We know exactly what they ate in different areas, and exactly how fat/muscled etc they were.

teshaerwin

I am laughing at this post! People gain weight because of what they eat and how much they eat! I hate Excuses and this post is an EXCUSE and easy way out! Eat healthy and exercise and you will loose weight!!!!!!!!! I gained a 30 pounds because I was lazy and I ate like crap, I own that! Take responsibility for your actions

myofibril

Hey, I resemble that remark! :laugh: I think if we (academia) can come up with some solutions, the WHY will have paid off.

Lol - oh for sure. I will thank people like you immensely for putting in the hard work so I can merrily ride along on your coat tails.

Until you guys come up with some definite answers like a magic pill to cure obesity I will, as an individual, care more about being strong and healthy than being right. Those goals can be achieved by someone like me without the first clue about what cavemen did or did not do. It makes more sense to focus energy on the practical than the esoteric.