Pet Peeve - logging non 'exercise' exercise
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personal trainer or not,this IS rude,and unnessesary.If these light duties didnt burn calories than they wouldnt be on the site,period.everyone lives their lives differently.i live on the 3rd floor with a complete *kitten* living under my so i cant do any exercise videos or even use my wii fit because he comes up screaming at me for shaking the house..I also live in not the best town where i cannot take a walk in my neighborhood,and am a stay at home mom with my 2 year old so going to the gym is not really something i can get into my day.I clean up after her constantly,wash dishes 3 times a day,do laundry everyday and by the end of the day im pretty pooped..I will be DAMNED if i am going to let some judgemental high and mighty personal trainer tell me or anyone else that cleaning all day long and running around after a 2 year old doesnt count as any excercise..I dont add in the exercise calories to my diet i dont eat them back,but i log them in to feel i accomplished something during the day..i have one thing to say to you and anyone else on this site who downs people who add cleaning as exercise..F*** you..get off your high horse,mind your own f***ing business or get the f*** off this site..it is for supporting people and giving other people respect and helping them along their daily lives,not to sift through and see what annoys you about other peoples lives..get a life and personally train yourself to shut the f*** up.
I would like you to reread your post and what you are saying this forum and site should be for ("it is for supporting people and giving other people respect") and decide for yourself whether your post demonstrates the behaviours that you are advocating for.
Please also read my clarifying post about what I was actually seeing on my wall. I have a 3.5 year old and chasing after him certainly IS exercise, but would be included in my daily allowance anyway.0 -
This subject AGAIN! Really?! Wow, this is getting old. Let me get to the point - It doesnt impact you in any way so don't worry about what other people are doing.0
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This subject AGAIN! Really?! Wow, this is getting old. Let me get to the point - It doesnt impact you in any way so don't worry about what other people are doing.
Well sorry. I'm fairly new to MFP, so I didn't realize this is a subject that has been hashed out too many times.
There is power in education though. It may not impact me, but it will eventually impact them. At the end of the day, I just want to see people being successful though intentional, planned exercise. I realize many of you do not support me in that, and that's cool! I respect your opinion even if you don't respect mine.0 -
Unless it's causing you to not lose weight (or gain it), why in the world would it drive you crazy?
I don't log those things, but it's none of my business if someone else does.
I agree. Why do you care what someone else does?0 -
This subject AGAIN! Really?! Wow, this is getting old. Let me get to the point - It doesnt impact you in any way so don't worry about what other people are doing.
Well sorry. I'm fairly new to MFP, so I didn't realize this is a subject that has been hashed out too many times.
There is power in education though. It may not impact me, but it will eventually impact them. At the end of the day, I just want to see people being successful though intentional, planned exercise. I realize many of you do not support me in that, and that's cool! I respect your opinion even if you don't respect mine.
How about you educate yourself through another opinion and read this
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/291071-activity-level-and-logging-exercise?page=1#posts-38458810 -
This subject AGAIN! Really?! Wow, this is getting old. Let me get to the point - It doesnt impact you in any way so don't worry about what other people are doing.
Well sorry. I'm fairly new to MFP, so I didn't realize this is a subject that has been hashed out too many times.
There is power in education though. It may not impact me, but it will eventually impact them. At the end of the day, I just want to see people being successful though intentional, planned exercise. I realize many of you do not support me in that, and that's cool! I respect your opinion even if you don't respect mine.
How about you educate yourself through another opinion and read this
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/291071-activity-level-and-logging-exercise?page=1#posts-3845881
But she's a personal trainer, so she HAS to know it ALL! LoL0 -
How about you educate yourself through another opinion and read this
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/291071-activity-level-and-logging-exercise?page=1#posts-3845881
Actually, that post just proves my point. The people I was referring to are in no way sedentary, therefore these activities would be included in their allowance already and should not be logged. I should've clarified in my OP who I was talking about, because I'm getting a lot of flack about a sedentary lifestyle and that was not what I was referring to.0 -
Three thoughts.
1) Any thing you do outside your normal routine is worth logging - as long as you know that your target was right in the first place... for example if you are sedentary (like me, sat at a computer all day) - and find that at, say 1400 calories you are loosing 1lb a week - then decide to spend two hours every Thursday cleaning in order to help your weight loss - yes - log this and either feel good about loosing weight quicker or don't feel guilty about the extra treat you allow yourself. That said - if you're not loosing to start with you need to work this out before worrying about the extras like this.
2) A little exercise for a long time makes a big difference - 30 minutes walk every day = 850 calories a week - which is for most people is 0.2 lb extra loss per week (or 20% faster weight loss!!!!!) so- yes, if you decide to spend 30 minutes cleaning the house every day, not only will you have a lovely clean house but you will loose weight faster!
3) I personally think its none of my business to judge what people choose to log - unless someone asks for help and requests that I look at their diary. And then all I'll look at is if your food choices are the right ones and if your basic targets are correct. I don't care if you walk, run, clean, dance, lift weights, or tie on a false tail and chase it round the garden... if you are getting off your butt and moving good for you.0 -
But she's a personal trainer, so she HAS to know it ALL! LoL
LOL - if only! I'd be mighty famous if that were true.0 -
"Well sorry. I'm fairly new to MFP, so I didn't realize this is a subject that has been hashed out too many times."
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Thats what the search button is for. See my signature.0 -
airind, this is one of those subjects that comes up here fairly frequently. The thing is, when people log cleaning, you don't know how vigorously they were cleaning, or even if that is actually what they were doing. Some people will just take an exercise in the database that has roughly the same burn as what they did, and use that to log their exercise. I used to walk with a heavy backpack and would log it as "Walking - carrying infant or 15lb load". I'm sure that people on my friends list who don't know much about me just kind of assumed that I was logging carrying my child, which was not the case.
There have also been people complaining about other posters logging gardening as exercise, because they made the assumption that gardening meant deadheading or standing there with the hose, watering the flowerbeds. Gardening can also mean digging up sod for new flowerbeds, shoveling mulch, etc. which I think we can agree is very hard work.
I think the reason people get worked up about this topic is that it comes across as being judgmental.0 -
oh man when i posted something like this i got like 9-10 pages of people trying to mouth me that, thats the ONLY activity they can do because of health issiues, weight, etc...
IMO!!!!! did u cook food before? did you clean your house before? did you go for a 5min walk before? yes? well then why are you still unhealthy? what makes you think that you logging those same things you did before will all off a sudden make you healthier or make u loose weight? exercise..... thats the only way to do it... and yes if you cant run 30-40min because of health issiues go for a 1 hour walk.. if you cant walk that long.. go for a 10min walk, rest for 10min then walk another 10 min... only way to get better... if u just sit and clean ur house once a week isnt going to make a diffrance
I gained 10 pounds while running/walking 42 miles-plus a week. Maybe I shouldn't count that, either?
well **** if you are walking 42 miles and stopping at each burger bar.. or coming home for a huge re-feed.. yeah log both and see what happens!! was ur diet in check while running those 42 miles a week? also if you can walk/run 42 miles a week u can up ur excersises even more!!
thats why eating back ur excersise calories is dumb unless ur maintaining or bulking... weight loss is simple.. eat less move more!! cals in vs cals out!0 -
Unless it's causing you to not lose weight (or gain it), why in the world would it drive you crazy?
I don't log those things, but it's none of my business if someone else does.
I second this. Why is it worth the energy to get peeved? I've got so much stuff going on in my life, and my family's, why on earth bother with what may or may not work for people I don't even know?
I agree here too. Why would you post something that can be taken so negatively to those that do it, on a site/message board where people are coming for support/encouragement and motivation to keep going on their weight loss/get healthy journey.0 -
"Well sorry. I'm fairly new to MFP, so I didn't realize this is a subject that has been hashed out too many times."
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Thats what the search button is for. See my signature.
Perhaps. However in just expressing an opinion for 30 seconds in a quick post I really didn't expect the amount of backlash . It wasn't intended as how it apparently came across. All I have learned from this is that expressing an opinion is not acceptable here, and that is indeed a very sad thing.
What I know is that we choose our own feelings. You can choose to read my post, get angry, write a hateful message back and stew about it. Or you can read it, decide that my opinion is not for you, ignore me and move on. I have to say, that all these responses only add fuel to the fire and keep this post at the top, where as if everyone was to just ignore it because they were either a) tired of posts with similar subjects or b) not in agreement with me this post would already be buried underneath the pile. A nicely constructed rebuttle has way more power than swearing at me or telling me to get a life... food for thought I suppose.0 -
girl you are right !!!!! like bambi's mom used to say if you aint got nothin good to say dont say anythin at all !!!!!!!!!personal trainer or not,this IS rude,and unnessesary.If these light duties didnt burn calories than they wouldnt be on the site,period.everyone lives their lives differently.i live on the 3rd floor with a complete *kitten* living under my so i cant do any exercise videos or even use my wii fit because he comes up screaming at me for shaking the house..I also live in not the best town where i cannot take a walk in my neighborhood,and am a stay at home mom with my 2 year old so going to the gym is not really something i can get into my day.I clean up after her constantly,wash dishes 3 times a day,do laundry everyday and by the end of the day im pretty pooped..I will be DAMNED if i am going to let some judgemental high and mighty personal trainer tell me or anyone else that cleaning all day long and running around after a 2 year old doesnt count as any excercise..I dont add in the exercise calories to my diet i dont eat them back,but i log them in to feel i accomplished something during the day..i have one thing to say to you and anyone else on this site who downs people who add cleaning as exercise..F*** you..get off your high horse,mind your own f***ing business or get the f*** off this site..it is for supporting people and giving other people respect and helping them along their daily lives,not to sift through and see what annoys you about other peoples lives..get a life and personally train yourself to shut the f*** up.0 -
Also many people on this site are at the 1200 calories which most will agree is the bare minimum of what you should be eating everyday.So these people clean the crap out of their house and dont log it which could potentially be bad because they are not replacing those calories when they have their lifestyles set aty sednetary.0
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I don't log playing with my son as an activity because i do it every day but unfortunately not for very long, but I set my lifestyle very conservatively at sedentary because I spend most of my day sitting at a desk anyway. If I were to go on vacation and have the opportunity to chase him up and down a beach for hours on end it would be my perrogative (well really, I could log picking my nose if I wanted to, after all it's MY exercise log), but logging it would be a more honest count for me. If I were a sahm and put in my lifestyle as sedentary I would log playing with my kids because "sedentary" does not really describe the lifestyle of any sahm I know. I logged my gardening yesterday, i put on my hrm and went out and weeded and pruned and plucked and cut and snipped and whatnoted for 90 minutes with my hrm on. No, my hr didn't average even 120, but it certainly was much higher than my resting of 46.
If one of my friends was having problems attaining their reasonable goals and was looking for assistance I would look first at the quality of their food and second at the quality of their activities. If they're not looking for advice, it's not appropriate for me to impose myself and my way of approaching my lifestyle on them. I try to define support by giving the best advice I possibly can addressing the question that is being asked or to use simple words of encouragement to get them back on track. That being said, I'm opinionated and slip from time to time . . . but hey . . .0 -
oh man when i posted something like this i got like 9-10 pages of people trying to mouth me that, thats the ONLY activity they can do because of health issiues, weight, etc...
IMO!!!!! did u cook food before? did you clean your house before? did you go for a 5min walk before? yes? well then why are you still unhealthy? what makes you think that you logging those same things you did before will all off a sudden make you healthier or make u loose weight? exercise..... thats the only way to do it... and yes if you cant run 30-40min because of health issiues go for a 1 hour walk.. if you cant walk that long.. go for a 10min walk, rest for 10min then walk another 10 min... only way to get better... if u just sit and clean ur house once a week isnt going to make a diffrance
I gained 10 pounds while running/walking 42 miles-plus a week. Maybe I shouldn't count that, either?
well **** if you are walking 42 miles and stopping at each burger bar.. or coming home for a huge re-feed.. yeah log both and see what happens!! was ur diet in check while running those 42 miles a week? also if you can walk/run 42 miles a week u can up ur excersises even more!!
thats why eating back ur excersise calories is dumb unless ur maintaining or bulking... weight loss is simple.. eat less move more!! cals in vs cals out!
You're assuming an awful lot about me in that post that is very much not true.
Yes, I'm aware it was my diet. However, my diet consisted of very healthy foods cooked in my own kitchen. Just a little too much of it.
My point is that the above post says if you gained or didn't lose weight while doing a specific activity that you shouldn't log it as exercise while trying to lose weight. With that logic, my 3,500-plus calories burns each week should not count as exercise even when "dieting." You seem to have missed the point.
As for "upping" my exercise: I have a full-time job, a home to keep clean, a boyfriend, a teenage daughter (who's going to college next year), friends and I'm trying to write two novels and run a writing group to keep me on track. If you can find some extra time in there so I can workout more often, please let me know.0 -
"Well sorry. I'm fairly new to MFP, so I didn't realize this is a subject that has been hashed out too many times."
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Thats what the search button is for. See my signature.
Perhaps. However in just expressing an opinion for 30 seconds in a quick post I really didn't expect the amount of backlash . It wasn't intended as how it apparently came across. All I have learned from this is that expressing an opinion is not acceptable here, and that is indeed a very sad thing.
What I know is that we choose our own feelings. You can choose to read my post, get angry, write a hateful message back and stew about it. Or you can read it, decide that my opinion is not for you, ignore me and move on. I have to say, that all these responses only add fuel to the fire and keep this post at the top, where as if everyone was to just ignore it because they were either a) tired of posts with similar subjects or b) not in agreement with me this post would already be buried underneath the pile. A nicely constructed rebuttle has way more power than swearing at me or telling me to get a life... food for thought I suppose.
I'm going to try to gently explain while people are upset:
Your "opinion" was very harsh, elitist and judgmental. Perhaps it came out very differently than intended and maybe because of that, you should have taken a little more time and thought about how you worded it rather than just puking it onto the screen and hitting send.
Unless those people on your feed are complaining and whining and asking your opinion, I still fail to see how that fact justifies what you said.
If someone came here and "expressed an opinion" that a specific race of people was lazy and stupid, do you think people might get upset about that? But in your logic, it's OK because it's just an opinion and we're all entitled to one.0 -
Unless it's causing you to not lose weight (or gain it), why in the world would it drive you crazy?
I don't log those things, but it's none of my business if someone else does.
Well said.. I volunteer in the evenings serving food at a center and yes I have a lot of serving and cleaning to do for a lot of people that I don't do on a regular basis in my own house. For me that works up an appetite so I know I've been working up a storm. To each his own. You're not with them all day and maybe some days they really do have to push themselves to do something active. If it works for them, why discourage it?0 -
Everyone - deep breath..in....out....again, breath in...out.
The awesome thing about living in Canada, or the US, or England, or wherever else you are from, is the freedom of expression and free speech. The original OP expressed something that she thought was important enough to get off her chest. You can agree, You can disagree. Last time I checked, both were allowed.
What you shouldn't do is make it personal. Express your opinion, devoid of attacks, and move along.
For the record, I log stuff like cutting the grass, or clean out my garage because I want to track that activity.
Live and let live.0 -
If someone came here and "expressed an opinion" that a specific race of people was lazy and stupid, do you think people might get upset about that? But in your logic, it's OK because it's just an opinion and we're all entitled to one.
I understand what you're trying to get at, but I believe that there is no need in bringing up racial prejudices during a "quality of exercise logging" debate.0 -
Perhaps. However in just expressing an opinion for 30 seconds in a quick post I really didn't expect the amount of backlash . It wasn't intended as how it apparently came across. All I have learned from this is that expressing an opinion is not acceptable here, and that is indeed a very sad thing.
You didn't expect backlash for something you said you knew sounded rude? It isn't expressing an opinion that is unacceptable. It's making very unsupportive blanket statements about the healthy methods people are successfully using to lose weight, without knowing these peoples' medical histories, that is unacceptable. Your bashing of people was a very sad thing.
Keep in mind that if your issue is with a certain person, you've got three options. You can unfriend them. You can private message them. You can come onto the forums and bash people "like" them and get backlash from the entire board.
Surely you can see which options are the better ones.0 -
If someone came here and "expressed an opinion" that a specific race of people was lazy and stupid, do you think people might get upset about that? But in your logic, it's OK because it's just an opinion and we're all entitled to one.
Well , we have freedom of speech and so yes, someone could express any opinion that they'd like.
Would I agree? No. Would I be upset? Probably. But that doesn't negate that person's right to express it.
That being said the quickest way to diffuse someone that you don't agree with is to simply not acknowledge them. If my post was akin to a post of the above nature for you, then it would likely be prudent to not give me that attention. In my experience, multiple responses generally only fuel that person more.
I didn't 'puke' out a response either, I just didn't realize the amount of anger I'd stir up or I would've spent more time explaining!0 -
I log cleaning if I have put in a lot more effort, but I always log it as light effort and never for the full duration that I'm cleaning. I won't log "normal" everyday cleaning as exercise.
In fact, when I moved house, I logged that as light effort cleaning!0 -
You said several times that you wrote it in "30 seconds" and moved on and that it didn't give the whole picture.If someone came here and "expressed an opinion" that a specific race of people was lazy and stupid, do you think people might get upset about that? But in your logic, it's OK because it's just an opinion and we're all entitled to one.
Well , we have freedom of speech and so yes, someone could express any opinion that they'd like.
Would I agree? No. Would I be upset? Probably. But that doesn't negate that person's right to express it.
That being said the quickest way to diffuse someone that you don't agree with is to simply not acknowledge them. If my post was akin to a post of the above nature for you, then it would likely be prudent to not give me that attention. In my experience, multiple responses generally only fuel that person more.
I didn't 'puke' out a response either, I just didn't realize the amount of anger I'd stir up or I would've spent more time explaining!
That's "puking it out."
Think about it next time.
And consider that you are certainly entitled to express an opinion, but when that opinion is judgmental and nasty, people are going to respond and express their own opinions.0 -
agreed!I don't see an issue with it. There are some who are very heavy or who cannot physically go work out or get exercise in like others can so food preperation and cleaning or any other "light" activity to you all is very beneficial for them. It's sad that someone out there who can only do those things or that may have a handicapt and not be able to do other things will read this post and may become discouraged like myself, b/c of the lack of support for the activity they are trying to do. if it's that bad of a pet peeve you know you don't have to look at it or be friends with anyone who logs that kind of activity. Enjoy your day0 -
Gonna just add my 2 cents: I log cleaning because it motivates me to do it, lol. It makes me feel so much better about cleaning my room if I get to have an extra cup of cherries at the end of the day, you know?0
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You said several times that you wrote it in "30 seconds" and moved on and that it didn't give the whole picture.If someone came here and "expressed an opinion" that a specific race of people was lazy and stupid, do you think people might get upset about that? But in your logic, it's OK because it's just an opinion and we're all entitled to one.
Well , we have freedom of speech and so yes, someone could express any opinion that they'd like.
Would I agree? No. Would I be upset? Probably. But that doesn't negate that person's right to express it.
That being said the quickest way to diffuse someone that you don't agree with is to simply not acknowledge them. If my post was akin to a post of the above nature for you, then it would likely be prudent to not give me that attention. In my experience, multiple responses generally only fuel that person more.
I didn't 'puke' out a response either, I just didn't realize the amount of anger I'd stir up or I would've spent more time explaining!
That's "puking it out."
Think about it next time.
And consider that you are certainly entitled to express an opinion, but when that opinion is judgmental and nasty, people are going to respond and express their own opinions.
I'm starting to catch the drift that only SHE is allowed to express an opinion. If you don't agree with her, you're supposed to just suck it up and move on.0 -
You said several times that you wrote it in "30 seconds" and moved on and that it didn't give the whole picture.
That's "puking it out."
Think about it next time.
And consider that you are certainly entitled to express an opinion, but when that opinion is judgmental and nasty, people are going to respond and express their own opinions.
No. I just type really quickly.
How was it nasty? I said it drove *me* crazy. I made it to be MY issue, and it is. I didn't say that someone was stupid or uneducated for doing it. I said that it made ME feel a certain way. And I wrongly felt safe to express MY feeling on this board. A mistake I will not make again.0
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