Why we need carbs.
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*facepalm*
This again?! This study doesn't prove anything! It just says that whole grains are better for you than refined grains. So?!
Here's the basic analogy again...
Group A = smokes un-filtered cigarettes
Group B = smokes filtered cigarettes
Group B = less lung cancer than Group A
Headline: SMOKING FILTERED CIGARETTES REDUCES YOUR RISK OF LUNG CANCER! SMOKE MORE FILTERED CIGARETTES!
Get it?0 -
*facepalm*
This again?! This study doesn't prove anything! It just says that whole grains are better for you than refined grains. So?!
Here's the basic analogy again...
Group A = smokes un-filtered cigarettes
Group B = smokes filtered cigarettes
Group B = less lung cancer than Group A
Headline: SMOKING FILTERED CIGARETTES REDUCES YOUR RISK OF LUNG CANCER! SMOKE MORE FILTERED CIGARETTES!
Get it?
Um, no. In the study women who ate whole grains had fewer inflammation related deaths than those that ate few or no whole grains. Refined grains was not in the equation.
Reference: 7. Jacobs DR, Jr., Andersen LF, Blomhoff R. Whole-grain consumption is associated with a reduced risk of noncardiovascular, noncancer death attributed to inflammatory diseases in the Iowa Women's Health Study. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2007; 85:1606-14.0 -
carbs make you fat!
and give you diabetes! (if you eat too many and from the wrong sources)
Well they gave me diabetes anyway. I followed the low fat, whole grain, brown bread, brown rice diet for years and years, I continuously gained about 5-10 lbs per year, got diabetes, and high blood pressure.
I've been restricting my carbs to non-starchy veggies for one month now and my blood pressure is normal, and my blood glucose has been normal everytime I've tested this month.
So yeah do what you want, but if the low fat thing isn't working for you...you might want to look at where you get your carbs from.
Please pass the bacon!
Maybe you were just eating too much? My parents (super fit, healthy, active people) eat carbs with every meal-All bran for breakfast, multigrain bread for lunch and brown pasta or rice for dinner, and they havent gained any weight since high school. And Dad is a type 1 diabetic.
I love carbs (the good ones) and on a low carb diet was irritable and hungry. Plus I don't like meat very much
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Um, no. In the study women who ate whole grains had fewer inflammation related deaths than those that ate few or no whole grains. Refined grains was not in the equation.
Reference: 7. Jacobs DR, Jr., Andersen LF, Blomhoff R. Whole-grain consumption is associated with a reduced risk of noncardiovascular, noncancer death attributed to inflammatory diseases in the Iowa Women's Health Study. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2007; 85:1606-14.
Ummm, yah!
http://www.ajcn.org/content/92/3/634.short
"Women in the highest GI tertile had a 2.9-fold increased risk of inflammatory death compared with women in the lowest GI tertile"
Edit: Don't you think a study camparing 3 different groups (whole grain/refined grain/no grain) would be better evidence?
Read this, and maybe then you'll understand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation0 -
Um, no. In the study women who ate whole grains had fewer inflammation related deaths than those that ate few or no whole grains. Refined grains was not in the equation.
Reference: 7. Jacobs DR, Jr., Andersen LF, Blomhoff R. Whole-grain consumption is associated with a reduced risk of noncardiovascular, noncancer death attributed to inflammatory diseases in the Iowa Women's Health Study. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2007; 85:1606-14.
Ummm, yah!
http://www.ajcn.org/content/92/3/634.short
"Women in the highest GI tertile had a 2.9-fold increased risk of inflammatory death compared with women in the lowest GI tertile"
Different study. But it is another showing the value of whole grains.0 -
Different study. But it is another showing the value of whole grains IN PLACE OF REFINED GRAINS.
There, I fixed it for ya. *wink*0 -
I'm just here for the show.
*eating popcorn*
too many carbs in popcorn! LMAO0 -
too many carbs in popcorn! LMAO
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Why do so many that bash eating whole grains assume that anyone eating them eats a low fat diet. There are numerous posts, in this thread and other, saying how low carb is better than low fat. Well, yes but so what? Low fat being bad does have anything to do with whole grains.0
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I love carbs (the good ones) and on a low carb diet was irritable and hungry. Plus I don't like meat very much
I'm on a low carb (not no carb) diet and I love it! I don't consider it a diet. I have been on it for the past 4 months and I have had great results. I don't get irritable or headaches or lose concentration.And I'm far from depressed!!
I don't have random "carb binges" I just eat a sensible amount of carbs to fuel my body. Guess you just have to do what works for you!0 -
Wow, ended up being a great turnout after all!
Jolly good show everyone!
*golf clap*
Stay tuned... more low carb bashing to come.
you are hilarious!0 -
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Different study. But it is another showing the value of whole grains IN PLACE OF REFINED GRAINS.
There, I fixed it for ya. *wink*
I think you fixed it for you. But it's still true either way. In the study people added whole grains to their diet and improved their health, right? Right.0 -
Different study. But it is another showing the value of whole grains IN PLACE OF REFINED GRAINS.
There, I fixed it for ya. *wink*
Love this!!! ;-)
By the way there is no talking to brick walls.... i decided to leave it alone!!! Most all of us have tried eating carbs from pastas, breads, and such but none of them have tried doing without them to see how they feel. I know i feel 100% better limiting my carb intake to fruits and vegs for the most part but they will never know because they wont even give it a try!!!!0 -
Which I am aware isn't an unbiased source, but a quick google gives you a plethora of similar study praecis.
I don't want a quote, I want a link to the actual study/data.
The only studies I've heard of compare the consumption of whole grains vs. refined grains. I don't want someones interpetation of the study, I like to look at data.
The quote you posted says absolutely zero about what was tested.
Yes.. I AM a nerd.
Sorry, I don't care enough to bother looking up the journal of medical science for 2003 and searching for the study. If you care, you look it up. I have never once heard of a single study that has ever proved that eating oats isn't better for you than not eating them, and last time I checked, oats were grains.
It's all very well talking about eating "primal" but do you know what life expectancies were like in pre-agricultural humans? Humans both started living longer and became significantly more intelligent (language/brain development, as well as tool making/use) once they settled down and started growing stuff to eat, which includes grains, we started eating a load more carbs in our diet. There are plenty of studies on bone composition in mesolithic populations to show this, as well as evidence from the pollen and seed records and residues on cooking utensils. The biological evidence is in the development of the hyoid bone and brain shape, associated with language development, and the archeological evidence is on top of both of these in the rapid development of tools and use of materials.0 -
I know i feel 100% better limiting my carb intake to fruits and vegs for the most part but they will never know because they wont even give it a try!!!!
I feel great now. I am healthy according to all medical tests I've had (and when you are in your 50's they run a LOT). I don't need to feel better. I'm not trying to argue, but I am very curious why you think I should try something different when I already have a diet that that keeps me healthy and I enjoy. In all seriousness, does that seem logical to you?0 -
It's all very well talking about eating "primal" but do you know what life expectancies were like in pre-agricultural humans?
I'm not primal/paleo, but I think I can comment on this.
Life expectancies are higher now because...
-Clean water source
-Sewage systems
-Vaccines
-Availability of food
-Less contaminated foods (debatable)
-Hospitals
-Transportation
The list can go on and on.0 -
I know i feel 100% better limiting my carb intake to fruits and vegs for the most part but they will never know because they wont even give it a try!!!!
I feel great now. I am healthy according to all medical tests I've had (and when you are in your 50's they run a LOT). I don't need to feel better. I'm not trying to argue, but I am very curious why you think I should try something different when I already have a diet that that keeps me healthy and I enjoy. In all seriousness, does that seem logical to you?
In all seriousness, you could feel even better.... what would it hurt to try!!! But you are an adult and can make your own decisions, i just think its funny your so against it, it could change your life for the better!!! I thought i felt good before too, but feel even better now!!! Thats my point, if you try it and it doesnt work then you can say its not for you!!! Whatever the case good luck in your journey!!!0 -
It's all very well talking about eating "primal" but do you know what life expectancies were like in pre-agricultural humans?
I'm not primal/paleo, but I think I can comment on this.
Life expectancies are higher now because...
-Clean water source
-Sewage systems
-Vaccines
-Availability of food
-Less contaminated foods (debatable)
-Hospitals
-Transportation
The list can go on and on.
I don't mean then to now. I mean pre-agricultural / agricultural. Say 15000 years ago vs 8000 years ago.0 -
I know i feel 100% better limiting my carb intake to fruits and vegs for the most part but they will never know because they wont even give it a try!!!!
I feel great now. I am healthy according to all medical tests I've had (and when you are in your 50's they run a LOT). I don't need to feel better. I'm not trying to argue, but I am very curious why you think I should try something different when I already have a diet that that keeps me healthy and I enjoy. In all seriousness, does that seem logical to you?
In all seriousness, you could feel even better.... what would it hurt to try!!! But you are an adult and can make your own decisions, i just think its funny your so against it, it could change your life for the better!!! I thought i felt good before too, but feel even better now!!! Thats my point, if you try it and it doesnt work then you can say its not for you!!! Whatever the case good luck in your journey!!!
Against "it". I'm not sure what "it" you refer to. Against a low carb diet? I'm not against it for anyone other than me. I am against it for me because I LIKE carbs and they are keeping me healthy so it makes no sense to give up something I like for no reason other than the possibility that I might still be healthy. I'm not on a journey, I've already lost the 25 lbs I wanted to lose so you know the old phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it". That's me. I'm fit, healthy, back down to the size I want to be. Life is great. Who tries to fix great?0 -
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I know i feel 100% better limiting my carb intake to fruits and vegs for the most part but they will never know because they wont even give it a try!!!!
I feel great now. I am healthy according to all medical tests I've had (and when you are in your 50's they run a LOT). I don't need to feel better. I'm not trying to argue, but I am very curious why you think I should try something different when I already have a diet that that keeps me healthy and I enjoy. In all seriousness, does that seem logical to you?
In all seriousness, you could feel even better.... what would it hurt to try!!! But you are an adult and can make your own decisions, i just think its funny your so against it, it could change your life for the better!!! I thought i felt good before too, but feel even better now!!! Thats my point, if you try it and it doesnt work then you can say its not for you!!! Whatever the case good luck in your journey!!!
Against "it". I'm not sure what "it" you refer to. Against a low carb diet? I'm not against it for anyone other than me. I am against it for me because I LIKE carbs and they are keeping me healthy so it makes no sense to give up something I like for no reason other than the possibility that I might still be healthy. I'm not on a journey, I've already lost the 25 lbs I wanted to lose so you know the old phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it". That's me. I'm fit, healthy, back down to the size I want to be. Life is great. Who tries to fix great?
You dont know if carbs like you or are making you healthy because youve never done without them.... im talking pastas, breads, and things like that not vegs & fruits!!! But whatever Bravo.... ive surpassed my goals for the record and lost over 40lbs!!! I was healthy before limiting carbs but im even healthier now and why wouldnt anyone want to be healthier if they could be!!! And if your not still on the journey why are you still here??? Life is a journey and so is your diet...... if your done losing you should change your ticker also cause it says you still have 7lbs to go!!!! But hey your 50 years old so we all know you know better than the rest of us!!! Signing off!!!!0 -
dead horse + baseball bat = this thread
Agree!!!0 -
I know i feel 100% better limiting my carb intake to fruits and vegs for the most part but they will never know because they wont even give it a try!!!!
I feel great now. I am healthy according to all medical tests I've had (and when you are in your 50's they run a LOT). I don't need to feel better. I'm not trying to argue, but I am very curious why you think I should try something different when I already have a diet that that keeps me healthy and I enjoy. In all seriousness, does that seem logical to you?
In all seriousness, you could feel even better.... what would it hurt to try!!! But you are an adult and can make your own decisions, i just think its funny your so against it, it could change your life for the better!!! I thought i felt good before too, but feel even better now!!! Thats my point, if you try it and it doesnt work then you can say its not for you!!! Whatever the case good luck in your journey!!!
Against "it". I'm not sure what "it" you refer to. Against a low carb diet? I'm not against it for anyone other than me. I am against it for me because I LIKE carbs and they are keeping me healthy so it makes no sense to give up something I like for no reason other than the possibility that I might still be healthy. I'm not on a journey, I've already lost the 25 lbs I wanted to lose so you know the old phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it". That's me. I'm fit, healthy, back down to the size I want to be. Life is great. Who tries to fix great?
You dont know if carbs like you or are making you healthy because youve never done without them.... im talking pastas, breads, and things like that not vegs & fruits!!! But whatever Bravo.... ive surpassed my goals for the record and lost over 40lbs!!! I was healthy before limiting carbs but im even healthier now and why wouldnt anyone want to be healthier if they could be!!! And if your not still on the journey why are you still here??? Life is a journey and so is your diet...... if your done losing you should change your ticker also cause it says you still have 7lbs to go!!!! But hey your 50 years old so we all know you know better than the rest of us!!! Signing off!!!!
That first line makes no sense. If I eat carbs and I'm healthy then carbs are one of the things making me healthy. Common sense. I eat pasta and bread occasionally but more often I eat brown or wild rice, quinoa, barley, oats, etc. I don't see how my diet is a journey. It's just the food I eat.
I didn't know I had a ticker so can't say much about that. I suppose it's based on the random weight I entered when I started this site??? I just made something up because I wasn't concerned about a weight but it made me enter something to set up an account. I wanted to be a size and to get the healthy checkup. I don't care what I weigh as long as I fit in my skinny jeans and get a healthy checkup. 0 -
dead horse + baseball bat = this thread
Agree!!!
that is too funny. I actually find it quite entertaining watching everyone go back and forth about this issue. and getting so upset over it. I love to see the passion behind everyone's view point!0 -
I have found that very low carbs actually make people depressed.
Definitely. Carbs help you regulate your hormones, so in general women who are low carbing get much worse PMS symptoms than they do when they eat a balanced diet.
Actually carbs will make you depressed and fats lift depression due to the seratonin levels in the brain - need fats over carbs.
And it is mightly funny that I can pull about a 100 or more women together with the whole opposite reaction than what you are speaking of with the PMS symptoms.
My symptoms (and we are talking PMDD symtpoms) have for the most part went away.
Our bodies respond better to higher fat intake than a higher carb intake.0 -
I have found that very low carbs actually make people depressed.
Definitely. Carbs help you regulate your hormones, so in general women who are low carbing get much worse PMS symptoms than they do when they eat a balanced diet.
Actually carbs will make you depressed and fats lift depression due to the seratonin levels in the brain - need fats over carbs.
And it is mightly funny that I can pull about a 100 or more women together with the whole opposite reaction than what you are speaking of with the PMS symptoms.
My symptoms (and we are talking PMDD symtpoms) have for the most part went away.
Our bodies respond better to higher fat intake than a higher carb intake.
I would like you to quote the research where you found that carbs make people depressed please. I have sources that show otherwise but I am wait for you to show first.
Thanks.
Actually, you might not respond. Here it is in pubmed, the general search yield.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=depression in vegans0 -
dead horse + baseball bat = this thread
Agree!!!
that is too funny. I actually find it quite entertaining watching everyone go back and forth about this issue. and getting so upset over it. I love to see the passion behind everyone's view point!
I am on a two week "vacation" before I start my new job and this is wayyy better then anything that is on TV right now. LOL MFP Is sooo addicating, but dangit now I must get up to go to the DMV.0 -
If they link below is not good enough, try Googling the Iowa Women's Health Study (for one). You may have to pay to see the actual study and it will likely be very clinical and hard to understand if you are not a clinician.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/health-gains-from-whole-grains/
An intriguing report from the Iowa Women's Health Study linked whole-grain consumption with fewer deaths from noncardiac, noncancer causes. Compared with women who rarely or never ate whole-grain foods, those who had at least two or more servings a day were 30 percent less likely to have died from an inflammation-related condition over a 17-year period (7).
Cardiovascular Disease
Eating whole instead of refined grains substantially lowers total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or bad) cholesterol, triglycerides, and insulin levels. Any of these changes would be expected to reduce the risk for cardiovascular disease. In the Harvard-based Nurses' Health Study, women who ate 2 to 3 servings of whole-grain products (mostly bread and breakfast cereals) each day were 30 percent less likely to have a heart attack or die from heart disease over a 10-year period than women who ate less than 1 serving per week (1). A recent meta-analysis of seven major studies showed that cardiovascular disease (heart attack, stroke, or the need for a procedure to bypass or open a clogged artery) was 21 percent less likely in people who ate 2.5 or more servings of whole-grain foods a day compared with those who ate less than 2 servings a week (2).
Type 2 Diabetes
In a study of more than 160,000 women whose health and dietary habits were followed for up to 18 years, those who averaged 2 to 3 servings of whole grains a day were 30 percent less likely to have developed type 2 diabetes than those who rarely ate whole grains (3). When the researchers combined these results with those of several other large studies, they found that eating an extra 2 servings of whole grains a day decreased the risk of type 2 diabetes by 21 percent.
This study compares whole grains to refined grains. Not whole grains to no (or very reduced) grains. I don't think there's any debate that whole grains are better than refined.
You are setting up a strawman (that we're arguing that whole grains are worse than refined), and then knocking it down. No one on this thread has said that whole grains are worse, or just as bad, as refined grains. We're saying that if you're overweight, many people will find success by limiting or eliminating refined AND whole grains entirely.0 -
I would like you to quote the research where you found that carbs make people depressed please. I have sources that show otherwise but I am wait for you to show first.
Here's a study that shows higher fat diets are better for moods.
http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=/BJN/BJN79_01/S0007114598000063a.pdf&code=dcabf272fda52039329e7a33e0a9df0e0
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