Cats/Declawed
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FYI: If you trim a cat's nails, it will encourage them to scratch (scratching poles, couches, etc) because the reason they scratch them is to sharpen them...
Glad I'm not the only one questioning that statement. Cats also scratch things to mark them. And you can teach a cat to not claw things, too. It does take patience, though ... lots of persistence!0 -
I love that this debate is STILL going. Even after the OP said she wasn't going to declaw Tango.
Oy.0 -
I love that this debate is STILL going. Even after the OP said she wasn't going to declaw Tango.
Oy.
Lol It's a hot topic :happy: Maybe after this we'll talk about the death penalty and abortion :ohwell:0 -
I love that this debate is STILL going. Even after the OP said she wasn't going to declaw Tango.
Oy.
thats because lots of people admitted to doing it.
Its illegal over here. Of course a cat can still be happy with no claws. They learn to live with it, same as a dog with 3 legs still learns to get around, but i really cant see a good reason for declawing a cat. Its not as if cat attacks are commonplace and dangerous.
I guess de-barking of dogs is reasonable to some of you too.
Im seriously stunned. Some of you should have got a goldfish instead0 -
Is getting your cat declawed on the same moral level as spaying or neutering? Really should we be modifying any animals without their consent?
Oh, I guess we better quit with all those life-saving but modifying procedures. Considering animals can't consent to anything we do to them.
Neutering (hint: this word covers spaying and castrating) animals at an appropriate time with a decent vet has definite benefits for the animal, unlike declawing.0 -
Thanks Ms. Smarty Pants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onychectomy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering0 -
Spaying has health benefits to the animal, and society at large. Its also an operation that they dont suffer from after the recovery period. Declawing is pretty much the equivalent of having someones fingers removed. There is no comparison0
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For those of you considering getting your cats declawed, keep in mind that without cat claws, the world may never have had this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJux_7W2i80
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I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.0 -
Just my personal opinion, but I don't see a problem with some people having part of their fingers amputated. I'm sure they could learn to live with it and and be okay after being given proper care.
Really happy the cat this thread was about didn't have to get declawed.0 -
I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.
The fact that it is ILLEGAL in other countries because it's considered abuse doesn't hint to you that it's a terrible thing to do? I don't understand you people.
It is selfish for you to declaw your cats for your own household. Those are THINGS and these are living creatures. You are mutilating their natural state of being for the sake of your couch. Cats CAN be trained with consistent behaviour changes and their are numerous other alternatives to declawing but folks are just too lazy to do it, so you put them through an entirely unnecessary surgery, which is certainly not without potentially terrible consequences. Do you understand what the body of an animal goes through during anesthesia and recovery? Do you understand the unbelievable plethora of risks that you put your pet under for the sake of your furniture? It disgusts me, to be honest.
If you don't want your children to get scratched, don't get a pet with claws. If you aren't willing to put the effort into having a balanced, obedient pet, don't have animals. Easy peasy.0 -
I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.
The fact that it is ILLEGAL in other countries because it's considered abuse doesn't hint to you that it's a terrible thing to do? I don't understand you people.
It is selfish for you to declaw your cats for your own household. Those are THINGS and these are living creatures. You are mutilating their natural state of being for the sake of your couch. Cats CAN be trained with consistent behaviour changes and their are numerous other alternatives to declawing but folks are just too lazy to do it, so you put them through an entirely unnecessary surgery, which is certainly not without potentially terrible consequences. Do you understand what the body of an animal goes through during anesthesia and recovery? Do you understand the unbelievable plethora of risks that you put your pet under for the sake of your furniture? It disgusts me, to be honest.
If you don't want your children to get scratched, don't get a pet with claws. If you aren't willing to put the effort into having a balanced, obedient pet, don't have animals. Easy peasy.
Well let's see, I didn't get on this page to start a debate. I saw very few people FOR declawing on this page and wanted to list my actual EXPERIENCE that there were NO complications and NO issues and NO problems or pain for my cats that I got declawed.
The fact that it's illegal in other countries, doesn't change my opinion. It's not illegal here and my cats were not harmed by being declawed. They are happy, lovable, still play and jump on things, and are just the same as before they got declawed.
Also, do you realize cats are put under anesthesia for getting fixed also. Does that mean we shouldn't have them fixed? I don't see it as much different. I got my pets fixed, not for the fact of preventing reproduction, but to prevent them spraying on things. I too am changing their natural state by taking away their private parts, but people see that as a good thing.
I don't have to justify myself to anyone, I just wanted to point out to everyone that there are people who don't look down on declawing and have had VERY successful experiences with declawing their cats, and that they don't always suffer pain or change their personalities or any of that. At least not in every cat.0 -
For those of you considering getting your cats declawed, keep in mind that without cat claws, the world may never have had this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJux_7W2i80
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IT costs about $400 bucks to declaw your cat.... Soooooo....0
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For those of you considering getting your cats declawed, keep in mind that without cat claws, the world may never have had this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJux_7W2i8
talking to yourself again?0 -
Well let's see, I didn't get on this page to start a debate. I saw very few people FOR declawing on this page and wanted to list my actual EXPERIENCE that there were NO complications and NO issues and NO problems or pain for my cats that I got declawed.
The fact that it's illegal in other countries, doesn't change my opinion. It's not illegal here and my cats were not harmed by being declawed. They are happy, lovable, still play and jump on things, and are just the same as before they got declawed.
Also, do you realize cats are put under anesthesia for getting fixed also. Does that mean we shouldn't have them fixed? I don't see it as much different. I got my pets fixed, not for the fact of preventing reproduction, but to prevent them spraying on things. I too am changing their natural state by taking away their private parts, but people see that as a good thing.
I don't have to justify myself to anyone, I just wanted to point out to everyone that there are people who don't look down on declawing and have had VERY successful experiences with declawing their cats, and that they don't always suffer pain or change their personalities or any of that. At least not in every cat.
I would say I'm glad the mutilation of your cat went well for you, but I'm not. Your cat may not have displayed changes or had any of the horrifying disfigurations, but statistics would say that there a distinct possibility that it will and your willingness to put them through that is disturbing, to say the least.
I am fairly aware of the anesthesia during neutering, being responsible for it on an almost-daily basis. Animals being fixed has HEALTH benefits for them. They won't get cancers of their reproductive organs. They won't get pyometra or other infections of their reproductive organs. They won't undergo the stresses of heats or pregnancy or roaming, since indoor cats can potentially get out especially while on heat/seeking females. It is a grace to them to have them desexed. Declawing is ENTIRELY unnecessary and the risk cannot be justified.0 -
Just my personal opinion, but I don't see a problem with some people having part of their fingers amputated. I'm sure they could learn to live with it and and be okay after being given proper care.
Really happy the cat this thread was about didn't have to get declawed.
my dad lost all four fingers down to the first knuckle at work on his left hand....and he can still type and do most things lol....the only things he has a hard time doing is like tying a balloon or pinching stuff with both index fingers.....he even has a great humor about it, and his screen name to everything is knuckles
Cats being declawed is inhumane if they are outside cats....if they are indoor cats then i see no problem at all with it. I do see a problem with cats flawing up their tail and putting their bungholes in my face though, can we de-bunghole cats?0 -
I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.
so....10 cats? Are you the neighborhood's crazy cat lady?? lol jk....if i could keep up with it i would have 10 dogs, but my one is just perfect enoug for me0 -
I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.
The fact that it is ILLEGAL in other countries because it's considered abuse doesn't hint to you that it's a terrible thing to do? I don't understand you people.
It is selfish for you to declaw your cats for your own household. Those are THINGS and these are living creatures. You are mutilating their natural state of being for the sake of your couch. Cats CAN be trained with consistent behaviour changes and their are numerous other alternatives to declawing but folks are just too lazy to do it, so you put them through an entirely unnecessary surgery, which is certainly not without potentially terrible consequences. Do you understand what the body of an animal goes through during anesthesia and recovery? Do you understand the unbelievable plethora of risks that you put your pet under for the sake of your furniture? It disgusts me, to be honest.
If you don't want your children to get scratched, don't get a pet with claws. If you aren't willing to put the effort into having a balanced, obedient pet, don't have animals. Easy peasy.
Well let's see, I didn't get on this page to start a debate. I saw very few people FOR declawing on this page and wanted to list my actual EXPERIENCE that there were NO complications and NO issues and NO problems or pain for my cats that I got declawed.
The fact that it's illegal in other countries, doesn't change my opinion. It's not illegal here and my cats were not harmed by being declawed. They are happy, lovable, still play and jump on things, and are just the same as before they got declawed.
Also, do you realize cats are put under anesthesia for getting fixed also. Does that mean we shouldn't have them fixed? I don't see it as much different. I got my pets fixed, not for the fact of preventing reproduction, but to prevent them spraying on things. I too am changing their natural state by taking away their private parts, but people see that as a good thing.
I don't have to justify myself to anyone, I just wanted to point out to everyone that there are people who don't look down on declawing and have had VERY successful experiences with declawing their cats, and that they don't always suffer pain or change their personalities or any of that. At least not in every cat.
Are you going to declaw your (future) kids when they make a mess and get into things? Kids are a lot harder to train than cats after all...0 -
I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.
The fact that it is ILLEGAL in other countries because it's considered abuse doesn't hint to you that it's a terrible thing to do? I don't understand you people.
It is selfish for you to declaw your cats for your own household. Those are THINGS and these are living creatures. You are mutilating their natural state of being for the sake of your couch. Cats CAN be trained with consistent behaviour changes and their are numerous other alternatives to declawing but folks are just too lazy to do it, so you put them through an entirely unnecessary surgery, which is certainly not without potentially terrible consequences. Do you understand what the body of an animal goes through during anesthesia and recovery? Do you understand the unbelievable plethora of risks that you put your pet under for the sake of your furniture? It disgusts me, to be honest.
If you don't want your children to get scratched, don't get a pet with claws. If you aren't willing to put the effort into having a balanced, obedient pet, don't have animals. Easy peasy.
Well let's see, I didn't get on this page to start a debate. I saw very few people FOR declawing on this page and wanted to list my actual EXPERIENCE that there were NO complications and NO issues and NO problems or pain for my cats that I got declawed.
The fact that it's illegal in other countries, doesn't change my opinion. It's not illegal here and my cats were not harmed by being declawed. They are happy, lovable, still play and jump on things, and are just the same as before they got declawed.
Also, do you realize cats are put under anesthesia for getting fixed also. Does that mean we shouldn't have them fixed? I don't see it as much different. I got my pets fixed, not for the fact of preventing reproduction, but to prevent them spraying on things. I too am changing their natural state by taking away their private parts, but people see that as a good thing.
I don't have to justify myself to anyone, I just wanted to point out to everyone that there are people who don't look down on declawing and have had VERY successful experiences with declawing their cats, and that they don't always suffer pain or change their personalities or any of that. At least not in every cat.
Are you going to declaw your (future) kids when they make a mess and get into things? Kids are a lot harder to train than cats after all...0 -
I have 2 cats which i love to pieces and they are both declawed only the front are and they are indoor cats( the oldest is shady and he is 8 His clawes came back 2 yrs after they were done and they put him under again and redid it, 2 yrs ago i noticed that his one foot was bleeding and he chewed at it .@ on his right foot came back and one on the other last yr . The other cat is 6 and last yr she had blood on her toe and she was chewing well i new right away and sure enough she has one also that came back..Its hard to cut due to it being distorted and not a normal nail..
Honestly if i new what i did now i would never of gotten them done , and thinking back of when i brought them home and the pain they were in specially trying to walk (like an ampitation) they had no pain meds .I wouldn't do it again..The oldest has trouble ju,mping up and it maybe from catering to his one foot and not putting pressure which in the long run affects the hips...Everyone has differnt appinions Its all up to you ..0 -
I have six cats, two of which have been declawed. I don't know if it depends on the vets you go to, but I don't see it as a problem. My cats were kept at the vet, two nights after their surgery, watched and bandaged and given medicine to prevent infection. When I brought them home, they were kinda lazy for a day or two and just slept a lot, but after the first two days, they were fully back to themselves. There was barely any care at all afterwords. Two weeks of antibiotics to prevent infection, and 10 days of using shredded paper in their litterbox. I had absolutely no complications with either one of them. And I plan to get my other four declawed.
I don't neccessarily see how it's inhumane whatsoever. They are 100% indoor cats, and they still have their back claws for scratching and hygenic purposes. They don't seem to mind at all.
I got my cats declawed for one because I want to have children and it seems safer. For two, cats are hard to train, and keep them from doing certain things. My cats scratched on anything they could get their hands on. Corners of the walls, the furniture, etc. I tried a spray bottle, I got them their own scratcher (only two would use this, however they used this AND still the furniture), I tried a no scratching spray, and nothing worked whatsoever. To keep my house in good condition, all of my cats are getting declawed.
Just my personal opinon. I don't see it as a problem.
The fact that it is ILLEGAL in other countries because it's considered abuse doesn't hint to you that it's a terrible thing to do? I don't understand you people.
It is selfish for you to declaw your cats for your own household. Those are THINGS and these are living creatures. You are mutilating their natural state of being for the sake of your couch. Cats CAN be trained with consistent behaviour changes and their are numerous other alternatives to declawing but folks are just too lazy to do it, so you put them through an entirely unnecessary surgery, which is certainly not without potentially terrible consequences. Do you understand what the body of an animal goes through during anesthesia and recovery? Do you understand the unbelievable plethora of risks that you put your pet under for the sake of your furniture? It disgusts me, to be honest.
If you don't want your children to get scratched, don't get a pet with claws. If you aren't willing to put the effort into having a balanced, obedient pet, don't have animals. Easy peasy.
Well let's see, I didn't get on this page to start a debate. I saw very few people FOR declawing on this page and wanted to list my actual EXPERIENCE that there were NO complications and NO issues and NO problems or pain for my cats that I got declawed.
The fact that it's illegal in other countries, doesn't change my opinion. It's not illegal here and my cats were not harmed by being declawed. They are happy, lovable, still play and jump on things, and are just the same as before they got declawed.
Also, do you realize cats are put under anesthesia for getting fixed also. Does that mean we shouldn't have them fixed? I don't see it as much different. I got my pets fixed, not for the fact of preventing reproduction, but to prevent them spraying on things. I too am changing their natural state by taking away their private parts, but people see that as a good thing.
I don't have to justify myself to anyone, I just wanted to point out to everyone that there are people who don't look down on declawing and have had VERY successful experiences with declawing their cats, and that they don't always suffer pain or change their personalities or any of that. At least not in every cat.
Are you going to declaw your (future) kids when they make a mess and get into things? Kids are a lot harder to train than cats after all...
ok, de-finger then... let them keep their toes?0 -
I have 2 cats which i love to pieces and they are both declawed( the oldest is shady and he is 8 His clawes came back 2 yrs after they were done and they put him under again and redid it, 2 yrs ago i noticed that his one foot was bleeding and he chewed at it .@ on his right foot came back and one on the other last yr . The other cat is 6 and last yr she had blood on her toe and she was chewing well i new right away and sure enough she has one also that came back..Its hard to cut due to it being distorted and not a normal nail..
Honestly if i new what i did now i would never of gotten them done , and thinking back of when i brought them home and the pain they were in specially trying to walk (like an ampitation) they had no pain meds .I wouldn't do it again..The oldest has trouble ju,mping up and it maybe from catering to his one foot and not putting pressure which in the long run affects the hips...Everyone has differnt appinions Its all up to you ..
Your vet must not have cut far enough back. Most vets take the cut back to the first joint therefore ensuring the nail will not grow back. Most cats respond afterwards walking so funny because they are all bandaged up and some vets will keep the cat in order to make sure they are have sufficient pain medication. I'm sorry you had a bad experience0 -
It's cruel. Like I said earlier in the thread, if a pet with claws doesn't work with your lifestyle, then please don't get a cat.0
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i do threaten the kids i watch that i will cut off their fingers if they still keep picking their nose....it has worked for most lol. Since cats don't speak my language, its hard to tell them the same thing.....but this is why i like dogs, they are so eager to please that if you are consistant with your discipline, they will eventually get rid of the bad habit(for the most part)....cats can gieve 2 shizzies what you think, they jsut do them, and thats all that matters0
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My cats all were declawed at an early age. There are all indoor cats and did not suffer during the procedure or during the recovery process. Like many elective human surgeries people can have very strong opinions but in the end it's your opinion that matters the most.
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tl;dr
Being a huge animal activist, I get A LOT of crap for having my cat spayed. I'm sorry I don't want my cat contributing to the already over populated culture of ally cats. My cat is indoor, but god forbid she ever gets out? No, no she will not contribute.
As for declawing, our cat is a little over a year. We have ample scratching posts, and if need be, will put "claw caps" on her. For instance, a girlfriend of mine has a 4 year old who LOVES the cat. Gatsby (the cat) typically isn't the clawing type, but we went out and got her claw caps anyway. Just like putting fake nails on. Doesn't hurt her, and they fall off naturally after just like fake nails do on humans.
I'd just pay the extra deposit. Period. But that's just one opinion.0 -
Just to add a little. I did see some of the "Don't get a cat if you can't handle the claws" comments, and I do agree. I don't doubt that you adore and love your cat. Which means you love her for who she is. She has claws. It's like getting a dog then complaining that it barks. Well...dogs bark. Cats have claws. Hence my endorsement of claw caps Keeps everyone happy!0
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All my cats are declawed....they didn't seem to suffer any pain after the surgery...they were up and romping soon after getting home. They are indoor cats and it saves the furniture and curtains. Some of mine were rescued strays...so they could be declawed and live a lavish, cushy life with me or remain out in their stray world...I think they got the best deal around!!!
But, I am fully committed to my cats and will never get rid of them. They only problem would be if something happened to me and they had to go live somewhere else who might want to make them outside cats. So, unless you are totally committed to a cat and KNOW for certin you plan on keeping it forever, then I wouldn't declaw....too many people aren't committed to the pets they have and get rid of them ...then...their only choice would be indoors....and you can't always find someone to take your kitty when you need to.....0 -
I got my pets fixed, not for the fact of preventing reproduction, but to prevent them spraying on things.
Well shannon, I hate to burst your bubble but any cat can spray, male or female, neutered/spayed/intact doesn't matter. I wish I could lay some money down in a bet that one or more of your cats will be brought to a shelter before their lives are over.
This is a wonderful thread. I see a few folks I'd like to friend :flowerforyou:
A few I'd like to block if I could.......
and I see I've already made some excellent friend choices (you know who you are!) :drinker:0
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