80/10/10--I'm doing it!
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80 carbs, 10 protein, 10 fat. Not what I'd call very balanced. I wouldn't get very far consuming 25 to 30 g's of protein a day.
Generally, these diets are very high calorie so people can get their protein minimums.
...I still think it's a poor choice, though, the ideas behind it are based on really flimsy reasoning and bad interpretation of data. I put raw veganism right up there with WAPF and paleo in the hierarchy of ridiculous diet ideas but at least those diets are capable of providing a person with all the nutrition they need.Cholesterol, It's what cells need.
Yeah, good thing our bodies synthesize it all by themselves and we don't need to eat it ever.
But no, it's not "toxic."Vegans really are a weird cult.
Not really. Most of us are just compassionate people who advocate for nonviolence. People who are doing plant-based diets or advocate for it for (misguided) health reasons seriously need to stop hijacking the word "vegan."
You're comparing paleo to raw veganism?
^ That's what I'm saying ... I follow the Primal diet (close to Paleo). Honestly I don't even care if there is science or no science behind it ... I feel like a brand new person eating this way. The health benefits inside & out are incredible. But Primal/Paleo makes sense ... you don't really need science to tell you that in the paleolithic era they didn't eat bread, spaghetti, poptarts, etc.
Raw veganism is just ridiculous, in my opinion. Mostly because the reasoning behind it makes absolutely no sense. I may take a little heat for this but I'll go as far as saying all vegan, vegetarian, raw, etc. diets are stupid in my eyes.0 -
"Not really. Most of us are just compassionate people who advocate for nonviolence. People who are doing plant-based diets or advocate for it for (misguided) health reasons seriously need to stop hijacking the word "vegan.""
I can completely see vegetarians as compassionate and nonviolent but I don't understand vegan. One thing that has always bothered me is eggs, what does it hurt to eat eggs? Hens lay eggs, they always will, the ones shipped to stores are unfertilized, which is just part of the hen's natural life cycle... how does it hurt any animal to eat them?
A couple of points about eggs:
-Domestic chickens lay extra eggs because we have bred them to do so. It is not part of the natural life cycle of birds to lay unnecessary eggs. It's actually a big strain on their bodies. Domestic chickens are healthier when they're permitted to eat back their unfertilized eggs (which is what they're naturally inclined to do).
-In order to farm their eggs we have to keep the hens captive, and regardless of the conditions in which the hens are kept it is still captivity. You might not believe this is cruel, I do.
-In order to produce eggs in the quantity that Americans eat them, we need to do very terrible things to the chickens. Feeding them unnatural diets, keeping them in spaces where they can't stretch their wings, manipulating their fertility by starving them and keeping them in the dark, killing them when they're 12 months old (their natural life span is 5-8 years), keeping them in their own filth and depriving them of veterinary care, etc, etc.
-Even backyard hens and "happy chickens" have to be hatched somewhere. These chickens come from hatcheries where the male chicks are killed at birth. This amounts to 200 million "useless" male chicks ground alive or let to suffocate in trash bags every year. A backyard operation that breeds chickens for eggs cannot sustain itself if they allow the male chickens to grow too (it's a huge strain on resources- space, food water- for animals who don't give any resources in return unless you kill them and eat them, in which case you need to kill them).
-Nobody with adequate access to plant foods needs to eat eggs to live.
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Holy thread resurrection Batman!
yep...
I was hungry for pie though, but not sure if this is a carb (pie) or a protein (animal)
I say protein since they outweigh the carb grams.
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^ That's what I'm saying ... I follow the Primal diet (close to Paleo). Honestly I don't even care if there is science or no science behind it ... I feel like a brand new person eating this way. The health benefits inside & out are incredible. But Primal/Paleo makes sense ... you don't really need science to tell you that in the paleolithic era they didn't eat bread, spaghetti, poptarts, etc.
Raw veganism is just ridiculous, in my opinion. Mostly because the reasoning behind it makes absolutely no sense. I may take a little heat for this but I'll go as far as saying all vegan, vegetarian, raw, etc. diets are stupid in my eyes.
So you don't care if the reasoning behind primal/paleo makes sense, but raw foodism, vegetarianism and veganism are stupid because the reasoning behind them makes no sense to you...
"STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE"0 -
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You sure know how to put the die into diet...
I guess all the carbs have to comes from unprocessed fruit and veg as well?
Congratulations, you've become a rabbit:
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Wow. Considering protein and fat is an essential nutrient, and protein helps support LBM and fat helps absorb nutrients...this may possibly be the most *kitten*-up diet I've ever seen.0
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But, but!! Don't you like muscle??0
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but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast for protein and the tablespoon of olive oil I cooked it in....Then off to the wheat fields? 'Cause a lot of my other foods contain both fat and protein
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-Nobody with adequate access to plant foods needs to eat eggs to live.
I beg to differ.... without the eggs in a female's body, nobody would live
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Last time I checked, we don't reproduce by eating eggs.
eating something usually leads to reproduction though... (brown chicken brown cow)
sorry, I edited my original comment cause the first time reading it I missed the "to eat" part
Ahaha! Then I edited mine because I saw you edited yours!!
That was awesome.0 -
but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast and a lot of my other foods contain protein
Yeah, and you'd have to eat it raw. And then you couldn't eat any fruits or veggies because they also contain fat and protein and would put you over. You'd have to eat nothing but raw sugar for the rest of the day.
Yummy.0 -
This is the dumbest diet I've ever heard of, including what I found when I googled "hcg diet".0
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Wow. Considering protein and fat is an essential nutrient, and protein helps support LBM and fat helps absorb nutrients...this may possibly be the most *kitten*-up diet I've ever seen.
Ain't nothin wrong with *kitten*-up.0 -
The kid in me tells me this is alright. I mean, this is how I use to power a lot of my scooter runs. Go go gadget sugar packets.Yeah, and you'd have to eat it raw. And then you couldn't eat any fruits or veggies because they also contain fat and protein and would put you over. You'd have to eat nothing but raw sugar for the rest of the day.
Yummy.0 -
Wait..this is starting to sound good...:laugh:
but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast and a lot of my other foods contain protein
Yeah, and you'd have to eat it raw. And then you couldn't eat any fruits or veggies because they also contain fat and protein and would put you over. You'd have to eat nothing but raw sugar for the rest of the day.
Yummy.0 -
iulia_maddie...my house for some movies and sugar packets?
Wait..this is starting to sound good...:laugh:
but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast and a lot of my other foods contain protein
Yeah, and you'd have to eat it raw. And then you couldn't eat any fruits or veggies because they also contain fat and protein and would put you over. You'd have to eat nothing but raw sugar for the rest of the day.
Yummy.0 -
Here's some vegan facts for you:
If people eat fewer animals, there will be less violence towards them.
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^ That's what I'm saying ... I follow the Primal diet (close to Paleo). Honestly I don't even care if there is science or no science behind it ... I feel like a brand new person eating this way. The health benefits inside & out are incredible. But Primal/Paleo makes sense ... you don't really need science to tell you that in the paleolithic era they didn't eat bread, spaghetti, poptarts, etc.
Raw veganism is just ridiculous, in my opinion. Mostly because the reasoning behind it makes absolutely no sense. I may take a little heat for this but I'll go as far as saying all vegan, vegetarian, raw, etc. diets are stupid in my eyes.
So you don't care if the reasoning behind primal/paleo makes sense, but the reasoning behind raw foodism, vegetarianism and veganism are stupid because the reasoning behind them makes no sense...
"STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE"
You took everything I said completely out of context or maybe I just didn't word it right. Either way that's not what I meant. For me and the way I live, any raw diet, vegan diet, etc. is stupid. It wouldn't work for me. In regards to this 80/10/10 crap and yes its total crap, it wouldn't work for me and probably not anyone else. Maybe short term but not long term. There isn't evidence to back up the opinions that vegans and the like have on meat and/or animal products being bad. All animal products have health benefits and that's a fact proven time & time again. Sure there are ridiculous studies that come out from time to time but its that way with anything. Since the beginning of time, people have ate meat. Maybe not everyone but the majority and we've all did just fine.
As for Paleo/Primal, there is science behind it. Science that I believe to be true. Besides that, a lot of it is common sense. I simply stated that I didn't CARE if the science was BS or true, I know what it does for me and I've seen what its done for others. You can't say paleo/primal eating is bad ... fruits, vegetables, healthy fats, and meat are all good for you. Processed garbage isn't good for you and really there is no benefit to eating grains. Everything found in grains that could be beneficial can be found in a vegetable or something else. The only thing I disagree on with the Paleo approach is the cutting out of dairy which is why I'm primal. You can look at thousands of people who eat primal/paleo and see how healthy they are .. many share their blood test before & afters, pictures, talk about problems that have completely vanished .. Clearly there is a link. So even if the science is BS, the people I've came across/met have shared their experiences which are true.
Basically all I was trying to say was I didn't care if paleo/primal had no science, I'd still eat the way I do. Never said there wasn't science or that I didn't believe it. Veganism, raw foodism, etc. makes no sense (common sense wise) nor have i came across research that would support their (the people who follow it) beliefs. Also I never said I cared if people ate a specific way and I've never tried convincing someone to eat how I do so the whole "stop liking things i don't like" doesn't even come close to describing me or how I feel. I couldn't care less if a person eats nothing but cookies everyday but if asked, I'll tell them its stupid because that's MY opinion.0 -
Mcbwhitney- Do you have any counterpoints, or did you just really really want to post that picture?
It is a very funny picture, I completely understand.0 -
Lol, you do realize you need cholesterol for production of hormones in the body? And that dietary cholesterol isn't the same as the cholesterol that clogs arteries.80/10/10 is a raw vegan diet fad...I will just politely say that setting percentages for macros doesn't work and that this diet highly ignores the fact that protein and fat are ESSENTIAL nutrients whereas carbohydrates are non-essential and should be determined based on physical activity.
These type of dieters do ridiculous things like eating nothing but fruit in ridiculous amounts all day and often these people have serious fears (orthorexics) about fat and consumption of animal products as being "toxic"
Consumption of animal products IS toxic. That is the ONLY place Cholesterol is found. And, what is the number one cause of death in the US right now? Heart disease. What causes heart disease, you ask? Cholesterol.
Trans fat is the issue here.
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Once more, for emphasis: this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.0
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Mcbwhitney- Do you have any counterpoints, or did you just really really want to post that picture?
It is a very funny picture, I completely understand.
Nope. I'm good living my life rather than dictating to others what they should do in theirs. :drinker:
p.s. That drink is animal blood. Enjoy.0 -
but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast for protein and the tablespoon of olive oil I cooked it in....Then off to the wheat fields? 'Cause a lot of my other foods contain both fat and protein
Don't you know you're not supposed to mix fat and carbs anyways?0 -
but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast for protein and the tablespoon of olive oil I cooked it in....Then off to the wheat fields? 'Cause a lot of my other foods contain both fat and protein
Don't you know you're not supposed to mix fat and carbs anyways?
How the hell am I meant to eat cake then?0 -
You sure know how to put the die into diet...
I guess all the carbs have to comes from unprocessed fruit and veg as well?
Congratulations, you've become a rabbit:
I'll meet your rabbit and raise you a group of hungry owls eating a tasty long-tailed critter! Okay, okay....I really just look for any excuse to use this gif.
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Those owls are friggin' adorable!You sure know how to put the die into diet...
I guess all the carbs have to comes from unprocessed fruit and veg as well?
Congratulations, you've become a rabbit:
I'll meet your rabbit and raise you a group of hungry owls eating a tasty long-tailed critter! Okay, okay....I really just look for any excuse to use this gif.
Remember, no matter what you eat, you need to work out. Like this!
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but but...what about nutrients? How the frig are you suppose to absorb any of them?!But, but!! Don't you like muscle??
And wow, my allowance for the day would basically be a chicken breast for protein and the tablespoon of olive oil I cooked it in....Then off to the wheat fields? 'Cause a lot of my other foods contain both fat and protein
Don't you know you're not supposed to mix fat and carbs anyways?
How the hell am I meant to eat cake then?
You're not. Cake isn't found in nature.0
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