water intake - relating to coffee, liquids, salt, etc

HMonsterX

So Coffee is very dehydrating, and many of us drink coffee. After reading a post a while ago (I can't remember which one) I thought it was kind of ironic that some people are logging a dehydrating drink like coffee under their daily water intake. I've also noticed that people seem to log juices and soups.

Coffee is NOT dehydrating, so we log it as fluid intake because it is. Same for juices and soups too. Can you show me some research that says they are dehydrating?

You need the equivalent of 8 cups of water a day on average, from any source. These sources can be pure water/tea/coffee/juice/soda/milk/fruit/veg etc. It does NOT have to be pure neat water!

http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jul/13/myth-eight-glasses-water-day

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2008/07/wellness-water-8x8-myth.html

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/12/08/the-myth-behind-drinking-8-glasses-of-water-a-day/


As for coffee being a diuretic, so many people just spout that word as a reason, without actually understanding what "diuretic" means.

di·u·ret·ic (d-rtk)
adj.
Tending to increase the discharge of urine.
n.
A substance or drug that tends to increase the discharge of urine.

Neat water is also a diuretic. The diuretic effect of caffeine is far, far outweighed by the actual water in the tea/coffee. Also, regular consumers of caffeinated beverages will build up a tolerance to said effect, eventually reaching the point where caffeinated drinks provide practically the same amount of hydration as a cup of neat water will.


http://www.divinecaroline.com/22178/46361-coffee-makes-dehydrated-say-what

http://worldofcaffeine.com/2011/06/14/caffeine-does-not-dehydrate/

http://advance.uconn.edu/2002/020722/02072207.htm

http://nomoredirtylooks.com/2011/04/surprise-caffeinated-tea-does-not-dehydrate-you/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html

http://www.sharecare.com/question/does-caffeine-dehydrate-not

http://www.artofdrink.com/2009/12/caffeine-in-coffee-does-not-increase-dehydration-during-hangovers.php

http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions/do-caffeinated-beverages-cause-dehydration.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5552790&page=1#.TrQWc0O5_oo



Our body doesnt need NEAT water, just water. Whatever we drink or eat that has water content, our body extracts it.

HMonsterX

I only log water that is PLAIN water... nothing else. Speaking of which I drank 152 oz today!!! :drinker:

GREAT JOB!!

WATER is WATER. Soda is Soda, Coffee is Coffee, etc. However I hardly drink anything but water 128 oz TODAY

Enjoy those oh-so-unnecessary trips to the toilet, and pee well knowing that all the excess water you drank is just coming straight out again.

alyson820

I only log water. I drink coffee every day, but I log it into my calories and not as water.

lostsanity137

So Coffee is very dehydrating, and many of us drink coffee. After reading a post a while ago (I can't remember which one) I thought it was kind of ironic that some people are logging a dehydrating drink like coffee under their daily water intake. I've also noticed that people seem to log juices and soups.

Coffee is NOT dehydrating, so we log it as fluid intake because it is. Same for juices and soups too. Can you show me some research that says they are dehydrating?

You need the equivalent of 8 cups of water a day on average, from any source. These sources can be pure water/tea/coffee/juice/soda/milk/fruit/veg etc. It does NOT have to be pure neat water!

http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jul/13/myth-eight-glasses-water-day

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2008/07/wellness-water-8x8-myth.html

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/12/08/the-myth-behind-drinking-8-glasses-of-water-a-day/


As for coffee being a diuretic, so many people just spout that word as a reason, without actually understanding what "diuretic" means.

di·u·ret·ic (d-rtk)
adj.
Tending to increase the discharge of urine.
n.
A substance or drug that tends to increase the discharge of urine.

Neat water is also a diuretic. The diuretic effect of caffeine is far, far outweighed by the actual water in the tea/coffee. Also, regular consumers of caffeinated beverages will build up a tolerance to said effect, eventually reaching the point where caffeinated drinks provide practically the same amount of hydration as a cup of neat water will.


http://www.divinecaroline.com/22178/46361-coffee-makes-dehydrated-say-what

http://worldofcaffeine.com/2011/06/14/caffeine-does-not-dehydrate/

http://advance.uconn.edu/2002/020722/02072207.htm

http://nomoredirtylooks.com/2011/04/surprise-caffeinated-tea-does-not-dehydrate-you/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html

http://www.sharecare.com/question/does-caffeine-dehydrate-not

http://www.artofdrink.com/2009/12/caffeine-in-coffee-does-not-increase-dehydration-during-hangovers.php

http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions/do-caffeinated-beverages-cause-dehydration.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5552790&page=1#.TrQWc0O5_oo



Our body doesnt need NEAT water, just water. Whatever we drink or eat that has water content, our body extracts it.

Aw snap, your post is way better than mine. Way better articles too.

tiabirdie56

Water is water and all other liquids are just that, liquids. I start my day with 8 to 16 ounces of water. I drink 2 cups of coffee every day. Count coffee as 4ozs of water. I sometimes drink more water to compensate for high sodium, but mostly I try my best to balance it out with potassium from fruits, vegetables and juice.

As someone else stated, in the hospital ALL liquids are counted towards fluid intake because in that environment they are concerned with fluid output. You really do want your output to be relatively clear, not dark.

BarbWhite09

I only log water as water. I don't understand why people log their other liquids as water...If it said "Fluid Intake" then okay, but since it doesn't...
Also, when I have a lot of sodium in a day I always drink a bunch of extra water to flush out the excess.

KainerGem

I log water as water... I dont drink much of anything else. If I do (juice for ex) I log it under whatever meal Im drinking it with... For those that log coffee under water, do you log the amount of sugar and/or cream you use? Lately Ive become anal about logging in everything!!!! and have logged in even condiments such as butter, olive oil, honey, etc.

inchestopinch

I log Water as Water and nothing more! Anything else (Tea, Coffee, v8 veggie shots, etc) get placed under my "Drinks" section I created in my food diary.

Sadly today's sodium intake was an extreme overage... Oh well ~ I'll keep drinking more water until bed time & then probably be up all night with bathroom breaks! lol

TiredOfBeingFAT130

I only log water as water. If they wanted all fluids, it would just say fluids and in that case, I would log any additional fluids also... but I only log my water!

HMonsterX

I only log water as water. I don't understand why people log their other liquids as water...If it said "Fluid Intake" then okay, but since it doesn't...

Because its wrong. It says water in the same way computers used to say "press any key", and people couldnt find the "any" key, so they changed it to "press a key", as some people needed it simplifying.

tataliciousd89

Your urine output is only dark when you arent properly hydrated. Your kidneys produce concentrated urine in the absence of fluids and diluted urine in fluid excess. Some medications can darken the urine also, but that is rare.

lorihalsted

I log only water.....not any other liquid. If I know I am over on salt I will try to drink more water.

rockerbabyy

I log water as water... I dont drink much of anything else. If I do (juice for ex) I log it under whatever meal Im drinking it with... For those that log coffee under water, do you log the amount of sugar and/or cream you use? Lately Ive become anal about logging in everything!!!! and have logged in even condiments such as butter, olive oil, honey, etc.

i log everything. i enter coffee with my breakfast, along with my stevia and two creamers (singles). i just also include it in my water count.

maidentl

Caffeine is not as strong a diuretic as people are led to believe (in the NYT article, it is about as strong a diuretic as water itself!) and technically you can log any drink as water. PLAIN water however, is best for you as is it calorie/sugar free, so better for weight loss than anything else.

I personally try to log only water, but if I do log something else, I make sure to log it with my food so that the calories are counted!

So enjoy your coffee (just beware all the calories from the stuff you put in it!)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html

This pretty much sums it up. Personally, I don't care what anyone else chooses to drink. I only take issue with the INSISTENCE that because you (general you) want to drink ONLY plain water that everyone else who does it differently is "wrong." There is nothing magic about water. Is it your best choice of beverage? Sure, I wouldn't argue otherwise. But just because you add something to that water to make it taste different, it doesn't suddenly become "not-water." Your body extracts what it needs from everything that you eat and drink.

DrG3n3

So Coffee is very dehydrating, and many of us drink coffee. After reading a post a while ago (I can't remember which one) I thought it was kind of ironic that some people are logging a dehydrating drink like coffee under their daily water intake. I've also noticed that people seem to log juices and soups.

Coffee is NOT dehydrating, so we log it as fluid intake because it is. Same for juices and soups too. Can you show me some research that says they are dehydrating?

You need the equivalent of 8 cups of water a day on average, from any source. These sources can be pure water/tea/coffee/juice/soda/milk/fruit/veg etc. It does NOT have to be pure neat water!

http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jul/13/myth-eight-glasses-water-day

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2008/07/wellness-water-8x8-myth.html

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/12/08/the-myth-behind-drinking-8-glasses-of-water-a-day/


As for coffee being a diuretic, so many people just spout that word as a reason, without actually understanding what "diuretic" means.

di·u·ret·ic (d-rtk)
adj.
Tending to increase the discharge of urine.
n.
A substance or drug that tends to increase the discharge of urine.

Neat water is also a diuretic. The diuretic effect of caffeine is far, far outweighed by the actual water in the tea/coffee. Also, regular consumers of caffeinated beverages will build up a tolerance to said effect, eventually reaching the point where caffeinated drinks provide practically the same amount of hydration as a cup of neat water will.


http://www.divinecaroline.com/22178/46361-coffee-makes-dehydrated-say-what

http://worldofcaffeine.com/2011/06/14/caffeine-does-not-dehydrate/

http://advance.uconn.edu/2002/020722/02072207.htm

http://nomoredirtylooks.com/2011/04/surprise-caffeinated-tea-does-not-dehydrate-you/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html

http://www.sharecare.com/question/does-caffeine-dehydrate-not

http://www.artofdrink.com/2009/12/caffeine-in-coffee-does-not-increase-dehydration-during-hangovers.php

http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions/do-caffeinated-beverages-cause-dehydration.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5552790&page=1#.TrQWc0O5_oo



Our body doesnt need NEAT water, just water. Whatever we drink or eat that has water content, our body extracts it.

Aw snap, your post is way better than mine. Way better articles too.

I'm glad someone brought this up. Totally log whatever other stuff you drink because if its had calories, carbs, sodium etc then sure you need to know your counts. But even though it says water intake, when you drink tea or coffee you are getting W-A-T-E-R which, yes is a fluid, but it is still water. I just don't get how people can act like the water evaporates and its replaced with some unnamed unknown fluid known simply as 'another fluid' that you've consumed for the day. I understand not wanting to drink one cup of water, 5 cups of coffee, and then saying I've consumed all the water I need for the day, but you still have water in those cups of coffee, plus water in the foods you consume, the 8 cups (quite the myth) doesn't exactly mean 8 cups or pure water, it just means that you need to keep properly hydrated. Heck, if you want to pee 5000 times a day then by all means, but I've got work to do and two workouts I need to get done and a full nights rest, can't be spending all day on the toilet.

3dogsrunning

I only log water as water. I don't understand why people log their other liquids as water...If it said "Fluid Intake" then okay, but since it doesn't...
Also, when I have a lot of sodium in a day I always drink a bunch of extra water to flush out the excess.

Mayo Clinic addresses that on their site
"Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

ETA - forgot to answer - I dont' log water/fluid consumption, so I don't worry about logging tea or water.

Blessedmommy_2x

I only log water that is PLAIN water... nothing else. Speaking of which I drank 152 oz today!!! :drinker:

GREAT JOB!!

WATER is WATER. Soda is Soda, Coffee is Coffee, etc. However I hardly drink anything but water 128 oz TODAY

Enjoy those oh-so-unnecessary trips to the toilet, and pee well knowing that all the excess water you drank is just coming straight out again.

....Just your opinion

MrsLawsonNavyBrat2B

I only log water that is PLAIN water... nothing else. Speaking of which I drank 152 oz today!!! :drinker:

GREAT JOB!!

WATER is WATER. Soda is Soda, Coffee is Coffee, etc. However I hardly drink anything but water 128 oz TODAY

Enjoy those oh-so-unnecessary trips to the toilet, and pee well knowing that all the excess water you drank is just coming straight out again.

Well since I weigh approx 264lbs 128oz of water is not going to bother me. I also workout for an hour a day ((in long pants and hoodie). The extra trips just mean that I am getting all the extra sugar/crap out of my system which is A-OKAY to me

jcr85

i log coffee, tea, juice, soda, and water as water. that said, i drink coffee maybe 3 times a week, tea about half that and juice and soda are a couple times a month, if that.
its all water, and the dehydrating effects arent really so serious that you dont get any benefit at all from the water the drink is made from.
i never thought to add soup as water intake, but i dont drink a lot of soup either.

wtf :huh:

jmp1031

i absolutely only log water as water- not tea, not coffee. flavored water, ok. i shoot for 8-12 cups of water a day, anything else from other soups or drinks is just bonus. or in the case of coffee and pop- not since it dehydrates you. it's one of the things if you look for the shortcuts, you're only cheating yourself.