water intake - relating to coffee, liquids, salt, etc
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Yes, exactly. My comment is mainly for those who are counting soda, juices (high in sugars), or caffiene drinks as water. Not to get all technical....I am certainly aware of the whole process.
Yes watch out, if you're technical make sure you dot every i or someone will catch it and bad talk you for 5 pages.0 -
i dunno, i dont know of anyone that counts 8 cans of soda as their water intake for the day.Yes, exactly. My comment is mainly for those who are counting soda, juices (high in sugars), or caffiene drinks as water. Not to get all technical....I am certainly aware of the whole process.
actually thats a lie... my father in law does because back in the 80s when he was going to his specialist dr (some weird disease that doesnt have a name) the dr told him to drink plenty of water and my FiL said no. he doesnt like water and wont drink it... dr asked what he liked to drink, and he said diet soda. dr said that would be fine.. so now he drinks at least a 12 pack a day.. no water, one cup of fat free milk a day to mix with his instant breakfast powder and chocolate syrup.. and thats it. well...sometimes he adds chocolate syrup to his coke. and lately hes been on a mango-pineapple smoothie from mcdonalds kick.. sometimes 3 a day. and slurpees. 44 oz most days.
did i mention hes diabetic >.>0 -
satiety -- interesting topic, I've heard of the idea and there's many pills that help you 'not feel hungry' but I wasn't sure exactly what science it came from. Thank you for the info!0
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you understand that fluids are made of water, right?
(excluding my beloved vodka, which I need a shot of right now)
when is says "Daily WATER intake" It means just that. Water. Not fluids. It 's pretty basic!0 -
I think I'm just going to drink bong water, log it and be done with this.0
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No, any fluids and most all food contains water. With that said, if you eat watermelon or lettuce for instance, are you going to log a portion of this under "water" or under your food intake? Just saying....I understand your thought process, however I think the idea is to get plenty of water to drink and to each their own.
Why would it matter if you logged it or not? You are still getting the water content if you decide to log it or not.
No one is arguing that water is good vs. bad. I think it just comes down to personal preference of how you like to log it.0 -
LOL...thank you for making this point. I just cannot believe that it's almost 11 pm & I am still up reading this stuff...I need to stay off this community site b/c it only upsets me to see so many unaware. Of coarse, this is what this is for is to help one another. We have to be open minded & also listen to our bodies:)0
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I think I'm just going to drink bong water, log it and be done with this.
If you can without puking it up, it would probably help to hydrate you as well provide some level of satiety. Then again, you might get the munchies!0 -
LOL...thank you for making this point. I just cannot believe that it's almost 11 pm & I am still up reading this stuff...I need to stay off this community site b/c it only upsets me to see so many unaware. Of coarse, this is what this is for is to help one another. We have to be open minded & also listen to our bodies:)
Its addicting huh? xD
I agree with you 100% there. Listen to your body. If you are thirsty, drink up baby! Hydration is what is important, not how you decide to log it IMO
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I only log water as water, I pretty much only drink skim milk other then that unless i'm out. When I'm out I either have something like sprite (stuff with out caffine) or tea and I try not to drink to much tea because I'm allergic to caffine. I watch my chocolate intake too because that also has caffine in it.0
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Never felt the need to log water. I think the whole gallon of water per day thing is a little crazy and can put you in a situation where your body is flushing water to balance the salts and other minerals. Do what works for you.0
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Pure water is best for weight loss because it can absorb more excess sugar in the bloodstream and uric acid along with other minerals. The excess sugar turns to fat, or if your diabetic raises your blood sugar and your A1C count. Uric acid build up causes gout. The other minerals can be other stuff your body is trying to get rid of; or stuff your body needs-like the minerals in your vitamin pills.0
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satiety -- interesting topic, I've heard of the idea and there's many pills that help you 'not feel hungry' but I wasn't sure exactly what science it came from. Thank you for the info!
It's really working well for me so far. I just had my second week weigh-in and I lost 9.5 pounds so far. Not a hint of exercise yet... saving that for my trump in the second month! I would have to say that the seven to eight cups of green tea every day has to be helping, I do drink at least 32 ounces of pure water every day too, but that remains a fraction of my fluid intake. Anyway, I'm pretty lazy with logging any of it compared to calorie intake, because I really consider that MFP only added it as a friendly reminder.
p.s. I drink no softdrinks of any kind... sweetened or sugar free. All of that crap will kill you.0 -
I log only pure water as water. Anything else I drink (coffee, flavored water, tea, or milk) I log as a part of the appropriate meal or snack where I consumed it and subtract the calories.0
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Yeah don't forget if you get up and eat lots of foods filled with vitamins and minerals, if you water yourself the whole day then you're watering the good stuff out too.
Don't over water your plants either. They get moldy
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Thank you...it's refreshing to read that someone else understands the entire reason for counting water & not "other fluids" as "water." This has been an interesting topic to say the least. Guess you just never know what is going to spark a long conversation. LOL. It's been very engaging to say the least.0
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I log only pure water as water. Anything else I drink (coffee, flavored water, tea, or milk) I log as a part of the appropriate meal or snack where I consumed it and subtract the calories.
That's a good point. I would say that anything with calories has to be logged in as a food. I log smoothies as food having separated the components in a recipe prior. Other than that, besides water, I really only drink black coffee and unsweetened tea. No point in logging them in as meals, so sometimes I log it in as water to make sure I'm taking in as much fluids as possible.0 -
Yes...and don't take too many vitamins you don't need either. That's what we call expensive urine! :drinker:0
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i only log water - pure water, no tea, crystal light, etc - as water.0
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I wanted to comment on this bong water....for a moment I thought it was a typo. LOL. I thought perhaps he meant boring water. duh. VERY funny!0
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Pure water is best for weight loss because it can absorb more excess sugar in the bloodstream and uric acid along with other minerals. The excess sugar turns to fat, or if your diabetic raises your blood sugar and your A1C count. Uric acid build up causes gout. The other minerals can be other stuff your body is trying to get rid of; or stuff your body needs-like the minerals in your vitamin pills.
And theres me thinking that it only "turns" to fat if you eat a calorie excess...silly me. Being double my sugar limit has clearly turned it all to fat.0 -
some days, there arent enough faces, or palms.
And theres me thinking that it only "turns" to fat if you eat a calorie excess...silly me. Being double my sugar limit has clearly turned it all to fat.0 -
Thank you...it's refreshing to read that someone else understands the entire reason for counting water & not "other fluids" as "water." This has been an interesting topic to say the least. Guess you just never know what is going to spark a long conversation. LOL. It's been very engaging to say the least.
I think the problem stems from the fact that people drink up the news and cling to things so everyone has the "I drink this manys" and "This is good and this is bad because the news lady says so" engraved into their head like a worship worthy immortal without realizing that journalists aren't the specialists. Then if something new is discovered and it's not as big a story on the news, it doesn't get looked into and you have a conglomerate of people saying "it's this way" when "it's actually this way too". Or it does get in the news at which point "well it changes all the time so ignore it". I like the "this person of authority and education has said this" but at the same time, what are their findings based off of? People are people too! And it's hard these days to get the whole story. Things are so complicated. I remember there was a article in the news years ago about the 'toxic cloud' over the chemistry building in the university here. They made it out to be some terrifying run away we're all going to die event when it was really a simple chemical reaction because someone got carried away and people were still going about their day in what the news considered to be 'toxic smoke cloud' of doom.
Anyway yes, it was a pleasure bouncing thoughts today (ignoring factors), and it sure beats Turing machines. Gnite!0 -
don't forget, fashion magazines always say DRINK WATER DRINK WATER DRINK WATER!!! it has nothing to do with evidence or facts, it's just what people say!!! ev eryone knows you should DRINK WATER!!! never mind that we evolved ON THE AFRICAN SAVANNAH and we are built to use water incredibly effectively!!!Thank you...it's refreshing to read that someone else understands the entire reason for counting water & not "other fluids" as "water." This has been an interesting topic to say the least. Guess you just never know what is going to spark a long conversation. LOL. It's been very engaging to say the least.
I think the problem stems from the fact that people drink up the news and cling to things so everyone has the "I drink this manys" and "This is good and this is bad because the news lady says so" engraved into their head like a worship worthy immortal without realizing that journalists aren't the specialists. Then if something new is discovered and it's not as big a story on the news, it doesn't get looked into and you have a conglomerate of people saying "it's this way" when "it's actually this way too". Or it does get in the news at which point "well it changes all the time so ignore it". I like the "this person of authority and education has said this" but at the same time, what are their findings based off of? People are people too! And it's hard these days to get the whole story. Things are so complicated. I remember there was a article in the news years ago about the 'toxic cloud' over the chemistry building in the university here. They made it out to be some terrifying run away we're all going to die event when it was really a simple chemical reaction because someone got carried away and people were still going about their day in what the news considered to be 'toxic smoke cloud' of doom.
Anyway yes, it was a pleasure bouncing thoughts today (ignoring factors), and it sure beats Turing machines. Gnite!0 -
Yes, gnite. Oh and what the heck does all this conversation matter anyways b/c doesn't the world end sometime this yr too? All this obsession for what? Haha!0
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ok, here's a hint. You should be peeing about 5-6 times a day. If that is what's happening, you are doing perfect. If you are peeing 10 times a day, dude. You are drinking too much water. there is NO medical reason to do that. If you can find ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to prove it, then go for it. but you won't, because there isn't any.0
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I just never saw the water counter as for anything other than no cal, no fat, plain water. My coffee, tea, juice etc. go under my beverage tag. Each to their own.0
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Two University of Pennsylvania doctors are saying after an extensive review of literature that the supposed health benefits of drinking eight glasses of 8 ounces of water a day are not backed by solid evidence.
The findings of Dan Negoianu, MD and Stanley Goldfarb, MD, are in published in an editorial in the June 2008 issue of the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, the university said in a press release Wednesday.
Negoianu and Goldfarb found in their readings solid evidence that individuals in hot, dry climates, as well as athletes, have an increased need for water; and people with certain diseases benefit from increased fluid intake.
However, the doctors added, no such data exists for average, healthy individuals, and no single study indicates that people need to drink the recommended "8 x 8" amount of water each day. In fact, the doctors added, it's unclear where the recommendation came from.
Both doctors are with the Renal, Electrolyte and Hypertension Division at the University of Pennsylvania. Through their scans of literature they confirmed that a variety of studies have found that water intake does have an impact on clearance of various substances by the kidney, including sodium and urea. At the same time, the studies do not indicate of any clinical benefit that might result.
Negoianu and Goldfarb also examined studies based on water retention in the body. Whether an increased amount of water is gulped or slowly ingested, there is no documented benefit to the body's organs.
They also found that one small trial addressed the question whether headaches were attributed to water deprivation. Trial participants who drank more water experienced fewer headaches than those who did not, but the results were not statistically significant.
Additionally, Negoianu and Goldfarb investigated the theory that drinking more water will make people feel full and curb their appetite, in an effort to curb obesity. Studies remain inconclusive, the doctors found, and no carefully designed clinical trials have measured the effects of water intake on weight maintenance.
Also in their literature review, the doctors examined the idea of water being an elixir for improved skin tone. And while dehydration can decrease skin turgor, they said, no studies have shown any clinical benefit to skin tone with increased water intake.
While there is no clear evidence of the benefit of water intake, Negoianu and Goldfarb said there's no clear evidence exits of a lack of benefit.
"There is simply a lack of evidence in general," the doctors said.
Distributed by Internet Broadcasting.
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Why Drinking Too Much Water Is Dangerous
Posted By Dr. Ben Kim Health Warnings
On January 12, 2007, a 28-year old Californian wife and mother of three children died from drinking too much water. Her body was found in her home shortly after she took part in a water-drinking contest that was sponsored by a local radio show. Entitled "Hold Your Wee For A Wii," the contest promoters promised a free Wii video game machine to the contestant who drank the most water without urinating.
It is estimated that the woman who died drank approximately 2 gallons of water during the contest. When she and other contestants complained of discomfort and showed visible signs of distress, they were laughed at by the promoters and even heckled.
This tragic news story highlights the importance of understanding why drinking too much water can be dangerous to your health.
Whenever you disregard your sense of thirst and strive to ingest several glasses of water a day just because you have been told that doing so is good for your health, you actually put unnecessary strain on your body in two major ways:
Ingesting more water than you need can increase your total blood volume. And since your blood volume exists within a closed system - your circulatory system - needlessly increasing your blood volume on a regular basis puts unnecessary burden on your heart and blood vessels.
Your kidneys must work overtime to filter excess water out of your circulatory system. Your kidneys are not the equivalent of a pair of plumbing pipes whereby the more water you flush through your kidneys, the cleaner they become; rather, the filtration system that exists in your kidneys is composed in part by a series of specialized capillary beds called glomeruli. Your glomeruli can get damaged by unnecessary wear and tear over time, and drowning your system with large amounts of water is one of many potential causes of said damage.
Putting unnecessary burden on your cardiovascular system and your kidneys by ingesting unnecessary water is a subtle process. For the average person, it is virtually impossible to know that this burden exists, as there are usually no obvious symptoms on a moment-to-moment basis. But make no mistake about it: this burden is real and can hurt your health over the long term.
Forcing your body to accept a large amount of water within a short period of time - say, an hour or two - as several contestants did during the "Hold Your Wee for a Wii" contest can be fatally dangerous to your health. Here's why:
If you force large amounts of water into your system over a short period of time, your kidneys will struggle to eliminate enough water from your system to keep the overall amount at a safe level.
As your circulatory system becomes diluted with excess water, the concentration of electrolytes in your blood will drop relative to the concentration of electrolytes in your cells. In an effort to maintain an equal balance of electrolytes between your blood and your cells, water will seep into your cells from your blood, causing your cells to swell.
If this swelling occurs in your brain, you'll experience increased intracranial pressure i.e. your brain will get squeezed because the flat bones that make up your skull don't provide much give. Depending on how much water your drink in a short period of time, you could experience a wide variety of symptoms, ranging from a mild headache to impaired breathing. And as occurred recently in the tragic water-drinking contest, it is quite possible to die if you drink enough water in a short enough period of time.
This information is particularly important for parents to pass on to their children. Foolish water-drinking contests are not uncommon among high school and university students, especially while playing cards.
So how much water should you drink to best support your health?
The answer to this question depends on your unique circumstances, including your diet, exercise habits, and environment.
If you eat plenty of foods that are naturally rich in water, such as vegetables, fruits, and cooked legumes and whole grains, you may not need to drink much water at all. If you do not use much or any salt and other seasonings, your need for drinking water goes down even further.
Conversely, if you do not eat a lot of plant foods and/or you add substantial salt and spices to your meals, you may need to drink several glasses of water every day.
Regardless of what your diet looks like, if you sweat on a regular basis because of exercise or a warm climate, you will need to supply your body with more water (through food and/or liquids) than someone who does not sweat regularly.
Ultimately, the best guidance I can provide on this issue is to follow your sense of thirst. Some people believe that thirst is not a reliable indicator of how much water you need, since many people suffer with symptoms related to dehydration and don't seem to feel a need to drink water on a regular basis. My experience has been that most people who are chronically dehydrated have learned to ignore a parched mouth. If you ask such people if they are thirsty and would like a piece of fruit or a glass of water, they will almost always realize that they are indeed thirsty.
Some people suggest observing the color of your urine as a way of looking out for dehydration. The idea is that clear urine indicates that you are well hydrated, while yellow urine indicates that you need more water in your system. While this advice is somewhat useful, it is important to remember that some food additives (including some synthetic nutrients) and heavily pigmented foods (like red beets) can add substantial color to your urine. Thumbs down for synthetic nutrients, and thumbs up for red beets and other richly colored vegetables and fruits.
The main idea that I wish to share through this article is to beware of mindlessly drinking several glasses of water per day without considering your diet, exercise habits, climate, and sense of thirst. And when you do find yourself in need of water, remember that you can get it from liquids and/or whole foods.
Please share this article with family and friends, as many people are regularly misinformed on this topic by mainstream media.0
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