Your thighs on cheese... HAHAHA!

VegesaurusRex

I'd say the thighs of the average cheese-eating French woman would beg to differ with this group's anti-cheese stance. If they can eat cheese and drink wine and still be fit, then so can I. All things in moderation, even moderation itself.

They interviewed the French Ambassador, and he says he loves cheese, and he is not fat.
However, he eats cheese as a dessert, at end of meals, by itself. Never in sandwiches, etc.

That would explain why there are not as many obese in France as in the US:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
(France is #23, US is #1)

And there is definitively a trend upwards in the US for obesity: (maybe linked to increased use of Cheese?)

Quite a stretch...

Obesity is due to consuming too many calories, not eating too much cheese.

Cheese is adictive, just like heroin.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0958694608001970

april522

I had a 3.87 GPA in the last degree I earned (I have three of them). I guess it is because I am a vegetarian.

But seriously, I always wondered why bringing up intelligence is such a sore point with most people. If I said I could leg press 340 lbs, would you be so upset and defensive? (I used to press that with ease - I am now 68 and not quite as strong.) I also used to run marathons. Is that a reason to be jealous? Why when someone talks about IQ is that sacrosanct? Seriously. Undoubtedly there are many of you out there who are stronger than me, but I am not jealous. But if you think someone is smarter than you, out come the accusations about being pompous and obnoxious.

It's not your GPA, the fact that vegans are supposedly 'brighter' or any thing else. I don't even have a problem with those who chose to live vegan. That's their choice, and it doesn't bother me. It's the fact that you think people who don't follow your beliefs or those who have different view points than you are inferior. No, it's not even that you THINK that. It's the fact that you VOICE it and insinuate it in your post, that those who don't live the lifestyle you deem to be THE lifestyle are either inferior to you. And that is how your posts come across. How people handle themselves and present themselves goes a lot further with me than IQ levels.

minadeathclutch

oh lord. here we go with the vegan bashing.. and the vegans bashing the non vegans...



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................how about them giants

_VoV

oh lord. here we go with the vegan bashing.. and the vegans bashing the non vegans...



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................how about them giants

Haha! Exactly!

april522

Hope516 demonstrates the mean attitude I'm talking about. See above.

Her comment was directed towards one person, not the entire vegan community,

april522

oh lord. here we go with the vegan bashing.. and the vegans bashing the non vegans...



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................how about them giants

And ironically, when I first posted this thread (and had NO idea PCRM was vegan), I was just posting it for fun because an organization seemed to be pinning obesity on cheese alone. Never did I intend for it to be a crap-flinging, name-calling war! Gotta love the internet...

_VoV

Let me explain that what sometimes passes for the 'superiority' of vegans is actually a desire for a world where animals aren't treated like living, breathing body parts. Some vegans are 'abolitionists' who want all animal agriculture to be gone. Such vegans don't think meat should be a 'choice' for any one. They want the lives of animals protected.

So, it's a different world view. It is about reform. Where you might say, "I eat meat. That's my choice,' this sort of vegan may be quietly thinking that choice shouldn't be an option.

_VoV

oh lord. here we go with the vegan bashing.. and the vegans bashing the non vegans...



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................how about them giants

And ironically, when I first posted this thread (and had NO idea PCRM was vegan), I was just posting it for fun because an organization seemed to be pinning obesity on cheese alone. Never did I intend for it to be a crap-flinging, name-calling war! Gotta love the internet...

I was here from the beginning, and believe what you say about not knowing the origin of that campaign. If it helps at all, I am very opposed to the message of those billboards. Veganism isn't a free pass to an effortless thin existence. I WISH!

april522

Let me explain that what sometimes passes for the 'superiority' of vegans is actually a desire for a world where animals aren't treated like living, breathing body parts. Some vegans are 'abolitionists' who want all animal agriculture to be gone. Such vegans don't think meat should be a 'choice' for any one. They want the lives of animals protected.

So, it's a different world view. It is about reform. Where you might say, "I eat meat. That's my choice,' this sort of vegan may be quietly thinking that choice shouldn't be an option.

It really is nice to see something better explained rather than the approach the other woman takes. I respect that viewpoint as everyone does have an opinion and the right to share it.

However, I am grateful I do get to choose, and I should hope no one ever tries to tell me what I can and cannot eat.

_VoV

Hope516 demonstrates the mean attitude I'm talking about. See above.

Her comment was directed towards one person, not the entire vegan community,

" I am willing to bet there is a postitve correlation between veganism and *kitten*-ism." <<Not specific to an individual.

gemmaldavies

cheese is 1 of my major foods groups!!

cheese
meat
peanut butter
protein shakes

:laugh:

VegesaurusRex

I had a 3.87 GPA in the last degree I earned (I have three of them). I guess it is because I am a vegetarian.

But seriously, I always wondered why bringing up intelligence is such a sore point with most people. If I said I could leg press 340 lbs, would you be so upset and defensive? (I used to press that with ease - I am now 68 and not quite as strong.) I also used to run marathons. Is that a reason to be jealous? Why when someone talks about IQ is that sacrosanct? Seriously. Undoubtedly there are many of you out there who are stronger than me, but I am not jealous. But if you think someone is smarter than you, out come the accusations about being pompous and obnoxious.

It's not your GPA, the fact that vegans are supposedly 'brighter' or any thing else. I don't even have a problem with those who chose to live vegan. That's their choice, and it doesn't bother me. It's the fact that you think people who don't follow your beliefs or those who have different view points than you are inferior. No, it's not even that you THINK that. It's the fact that you VOICE it and insinuate it in your post, that those who don't live the lifestyle you deem to be THE lifestyle are either inferior to you. And that is how your posts come across. How people handle themselves and present themselves goes a lot further with me than IQ levels.

Sorry. As a vegetarian, I do show compassion towards animals. I should also do so towards humans, although my problem is that I tend to regard humans as equals and have a hard time suffering stupidity and ignorance. I always have to remember that once I was a meat eater too. It took me time to learn. I suppose I should be tolerant. However, I profoundly disagree about it being a question of choice. It is a question of karma, perhaps, fate, or ignorance. But it is not a question of choice. What you see as food, I see as cruelty. What you see as normal, I see as incredibly abnormal.

VegesaurusRex

It really is nice to see something better explained rather than the approach the other woman takes. I respect that viewpoint as everyone does have an opinion and the right to share it.

Bytheway, if you are referring to me, I am a man.

IronmanPanda

http://youtu.be/dLpCZ8g5uK8

Contrarian

I am a vegetarian, but some of the posters in this thread make me want to eat a juicy steak, just to avoid being lumped in with them.

Eat what you want and don't judge others for their choices. Please.