Government recognizing Gay and Lesbian

paigemarie93

I think if we dropped the marriage part and just called it union or something like that all the fuzz would go away

Marriage is pretty much a religious term between a man & a woman, so yeah I agree with you.

babyshme

I think its funny how lots of people think Gays getting married destroys the sanctity of marriage...but its OK for Kim K to divorce after what ...60 days..and same with Brittney Spears.

THANK GOODNESS SOME ONE SAID THAT!!! That, that up their, is exactly what screws up the sanctity of marriage. I am not taking about people who are married for lets say 5 years and end up divorced. I am talking people who are married for a year or less... WTH is that?

I could care less if you are Gay, Strait, Lesbian, Bisexual. Purple, Green or flipping Blue. This law has bugged me for a LONG time. Let people marry who they want to marry. Leave them the heck a lone and let them live. It's not like we have to watch it. If you don't like it, don't frikken look.

_SusieQ_

Cool Im gonna marry my dogs so my insurance will pay for their vet bills, Those Vet bills get pricey

There is a lot of truth in this statement.

There needs to be a line somewhere. Marriage was designed for families, and for a man and woman to enter into a life together-not so they can get extra benefits.

I don't care if someone is gay or not, that's their choice. I do think homosexuals should have visitation rights and all that stuff regarding hospitals. But I don't believe the meaning and reason behind an important societal building block should be changed because a group has political backing.

but--what about all the heterosexual couples who marry without any intention of having children?? marriage isn't simply for breeding.

Thank you. I am 40, married for 18 years to the same guy, we have no children, nor intend to. Should my marriage not be legal??

lloydrt

2 gays in a committed relationship should be allowed to get married...........its the wording, esp for benefits.
when one partner dies, the other cant get his 1/2 for his Social Security. Also, gays , if I remember reading this recently, are denied over 300 rights, legal rights, that hetrosexuals arent. Lots of legal questions esp if case of death, children and medical issues that arise..........I dont know if it's changes, but the partner has been denied access in a hospital enviornment in a decision making process for the others half.........the one isn't included in this process.......

if one partner dies with out a will, the entire estate goes to the family ,and the surviving partner has no legal rights to his partners estate......

I think the Federal Govt allows states to vote , and some governors may veto this ,ie, Gov Chris of New Jersey and allow it to be voted by its citizen voters

Good question though..........gays and lesbians who are in a relationship and chose to bond should be allowed to be married,

angryguy77

Cool Im gonna marry my dogs so my insurance will pay for their vet bills, Those Vet bills get pricey

There is a lot of truth in this statement.

There needs to be a line somewhere. Marriage was designed for families, and for a man and woman to enter into a life together-not so they can get extra benefits.

I don't care if someone is gay or not, that's their choice. I do think homosexuals should have visitation rights and all that stuff regarding hospitals. But I don't believe the meaning and reason behind an important societal building block should be changed because a group has political backing.

but--what about all the heterosexual couples who marry without any intention of having children?? marriage isn't simply for breeding.

Thank you. I am 40, married for 18 years to the same guy, we have no children, nor intend to. Should my marriage not be legal??

Of course it's not all about breeding, but it also shouldn't be based on what kind of sex you have either.

Italianyc84

I think if we dropped the marriage part and just called it union or something like that all the fuzz would go away

Marriage is pretty much a religious term between a man & a woman, so yeah I agree with you.

So...straight couples who get married at City Hall shouldn't be considered married...?

bikermike5094

Maybe we should throw the abortion issue in here too..

I see a lock coming in 3.....2.....1....

Italianyc84

Cool Im gonna marry my dogs so my insurance will pay for their vet bills, Those Vet bills get pricey

There is a lot of truth in this statement.

There needs to be a line somewhere. Marriage was designed for families, and for a man and woman to enter into a life together-not so they can get extra benefits.

I don't care if someone is gay or not, that's their choice. I do think homosexuals should have visitation rights and all that stuff regarding hospitals. But I don't believe the meaning and reason behind an important societal building block should be changed because a group has political backing.

but--what about all the heterosexual couples who marry without any intention of having children?? marriage isn't simply for breeding.

Thank you. I am 40, married for 18 years to the same guy, we have no children, nor intend to. Should my marriage not be legal??

Of course it's not all about breeding, but it also shouldn't be based on what kind of sex you have either.

Right. So...why shouldn't my marriage to my wife be legal?

Italianyc84

I believe you should have the same rights gay or straight.

Because my hubby and I had a child out of wedlock....yes we did the evil deed of sex before marriage, the church would NOT marry us, so I stopped going.....I don't think anyone, any church has any right to say who should be married and who shouldn't.

Exactly. If a church wants to lay down their own rules than so be it, but what right does a church have to dictate what the federal government does??? There's supposed to be a seperation of church and state!

paigemarie93

I think if we dropped the marriage part and just called it union or something like that all the fuzz would go away

Marriage is pretty much a religious term between a man & a woman, so yeah I agree with you.

So...straight couples who get married at City Hall shouldn't be considered married...?

No, because that's still a marriage (man & woman), the term marriage originates from the bible & the bible says that being gay is an abomination to God, so I don't think it should be called marriage if you understand my reasoning?

Italianyc84

Agree with the OP.

If straight couples didn't keep having gay babies the problem wouldn't exist. Its completely natural.

There are so many shades of grey in this life. Live and let live.

As for god, we all know about Lilith, Eve and Adam etc, so if its anyones fault, its god for making the partnership unequal rather than leaving it balanced

Where has it been proven that it's genetic?

And where has it been proven that it's any of your business regardless of whether it's genetic or not? Either way equality must prevail.

(for the record, in the words of Lady Gaga, I strongly believe that I was Born This Way!)

Italianyc84

I think if we dropped the marriage part and just called it union or something like that all the fuzz would go away

Marriage is pretty much a religious term between a man & a woman, so yeah I agree with you.

So...straight couples who get married at City Hall shouldn't be considered married...?

No, because that's still a marriage (man & woman), the term marriage originates from the bible & the bible says that being gay is an abomination to God, so I don't think it should be called marriage if you understand my reasoning?

So, should an athiest heterosexual couple still be considered married? And why should the bible dictate what rights I am allowed by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, in a nation where church and state are (allegedly!) seperate?

lloydrt

I went to a Lesbian site that answered the legal benefits of marriage for gays/lesbians...'

it says about 1300 rights denied, so I apologize for my mistake......

here are 20 so far.......

4.Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
5.Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
6.Crime victims recovery benefits
7.Domestic violence protection orders
8.Judicial protections and immunity
9.Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
10.Public safety officers death benefits
11.Spousal veterans benefits
12.Social Security
13.Medicare
14.Joint filing of tax returns
15.Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
16.Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
17.Child support
18.Joint Insurance Plans
19.Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
20.Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
21.Estate and gift tax benefits
22.Welfare and public assistance
23.Joint housing for elderly
24.Credit protection
25.Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/wedding/f/MarriageBenefit.htm

I can understand the frustration they must feel, no ones a 2nd class citizen if were all to be " equal" Let them marry........Lloyd

fteale

Apparently later children born into bigger families are much more likely to be gay. I think it's a natural population control thing in action.

Anyway, I don't care who marries or sleeps with who as long as it's mutually consented to and not incestuous. Each to their own. Why anyone cares enough about anyone else's private lives to try to dictate them is beyond me. Over here in the UK gay marriage has been accepted in law for years, if not by the church.

paigemarie93

I think if we dropped the marriage part and just called it union or something like that all the fuzz would go away

Marriage is pretty much a religious term between a man & a woman, so yeah I agree with you.

So...straight couples who get married at City Hall shouldn't be considered married...?

No, because that's still a marriage (man & woman), the term marriage originates from the bible & the bible says that being gay is an abomination to God, so I don't think it should be called marriage if you understand my reasoning?

So, should an athiest heterosexual couple still be considered married? And why should the bible dictate what rights I am allowed by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, in a nation where church and state are (allegedly!) seperate?

Yes, because like I said it's a man & a woman.
Okay, I'll say it again, Marriage is a religious word meaning that a man & woman are one flesh (married)
You can't apply a religious word to something that the bible doesn't agree with.
It should have another name but still mean 'Marriage' just (man & man/ woman & woman) & that word will be for gays & lesbians solely.

Italianyc84

I went to a Lesbian site that answered the legal benefits of marriage for gays/lesbians...'

it says about 1300 rights denied, so I apologize for my mistake......

here are 20 so far.......

4.Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
5.Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
6.Crime victims recovery benefits
7.Domestic violence protection orders
8.Judicial protections and immunity
9.Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
10.Public safety officers death benefits
11.Spousal veterans benefits
12.Social Security
13.Medicare
14.Joint filing of tax returns
15.Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
16.Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
17.Child support
18.Joint Insurance Plans
19.Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
20.Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
21.Estate and gift tax benefits
22.Welfare and public assistance
23.Joint housing for elderly
24.Credit protection
25.Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/wedding/f/MarriageBenefit.htm

I can understand the frustration they must feel, no ones a 2nd class citizen if were all to be " equal" Let them marry........Lloyd

Thank you for posting this--as you can see, it goes WAY beyond visitation rights at a hospital!

BAMFMeredith

All I have to say is, if you're all mad about same sex marriage then blame all us straight people. We're the ones who keep having gay babies.

kellykat2

what does this have to do with fitness or weightloss

Italianyc84

what does this have to do with fitness or weightloss

it doesn't. You are on the chit-chat, fun and games board. This is as relevant of a topic here as the "what celebrity do I look like" thread.

paigemarie93

what does this have to do with fitness or weightloss

^ this. It's just going to cause arguments.

azarazar

I have mixed feelings on the subject, but most of them have already been discussed here.

What I put forth to all of you is "Where do you draw the line?"

Is Polygamy OK? Can I have multiple civil partners?

Is a union between two brothers OK? Incest was historically banned due to the resulting birth defects.

Does a union even have to have a sexual relationship? Can it be simply two or more people who want the social, legal, and economic benefits of a union?

Is a union with a minor OK? Is it OK if it is non-sexual?

Not trying to stir the debate, just want to give everyone more to consider. Where does society draw the line?

ka_bateman

Agree with the OP.

If straight couples didn't keep having gay babies the problem wouldn't exist. Its completely natural.

There are so many shades of grey in this life. Live and let live.

As for god, we all know about Lilith, Eve and Adam etc, so if its anyones fault, its god for making the partnership unequal rather than leaving it balanced

Where has it been proven that it's genetic?

And where has it been proven that it's any of your business regardless of whether it's genetic or not? Either way equality must prevail.

(for the record, in the words of Lady Gaga, I strongly believe that I was Born This Way!)

Okay, so you say you were born that way...like all of you do. Even a woman I know who swore that she was born that way....who after she had been married to a man for over a decade was with women for as many years. Funny though, she just married a man again a few months ago.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their OWN CHOICE. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins.

That does NOT excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.

That is what the fight is about. That is why true Christians oppose this. That and b/c it's being taught in school that it is normal and okay when really the foundation of this country was built on the principles that say otherwise. Tollerance...that's okay. But that's where it should end.

If you don't believe in God...Okay. But please don't say that God made you this way. If you plan on going to Heaven when you die, then get back on the straight and narrow. If you think that you go nowhere when you die, then there is no sense in talking about it.

It all boils down to what is moral and what if anything will happen as a result of your decision. I could give a crap if you marry the same sex, but leave it out of the schools.

OMGLeigh

I think if we dropped the marriage part and just called it union or something like that all the fuzz would go away

Marriage is pretty much a religious term between a man & a woman, so yeah I agree with you.

So...straight couples who get married at City Hall shouldn't be considered married...?

No, because that's still a marriage (man & woman), the term marriage originates from the bible & the bible says that being gay is an abomination to God, so I don't think it should be called marriage if you understand my reasoning?

I will always fight for your right to get married based on your bible, your marriage should be as biblical as you like.
I just ask that you also support the rights of your fellow Americans to get married according to their own beliefs.

Italianyc84

what does this have to do with fitness or weightloss

^ this. It's just going to cause arguments.

what does "what are you doing with your tax return" have to do with fitness or weight loss? If you don't want to discuss a topic, then scroll on by...

lloydrt

paige marie........that word "marriage" has taken a big importance in regards to rights............if a person is legally married, he can take active parts in the decision making process involved with his or her partner.....

the word "union " carrys no weight in the legal world, thats what the gays/lesbians want. They work, pay taxes and some raise kids, why should nt gays be allowed to legal entitlements in case of sickness, death or retirement benefits, ie, social security and pensions..........

certain cities are now paying benefits due for a working spouse. If one works, why shouldnt the other be allowed to be on his/her insurance? I believe in being fair to all.........its mostly the wording that has serious consequences

Im Catholic and am fed up with the way my church makes gays second class citizens.....

this same Church that looked the other way in the sexual abuse kids had to endure for years......

its not surprising that the Catholic Church is losing so many of its members...........I can totally symptathize................Lloyd

angryguy77

Cool Im gonna marry my dogs so my insurance will pay for their vet bills, Those Vet bills get pricey

There is a lot of truth in this statement.

There needs to be a line somewhere. Marriage was designed for families, and for a man and woman to enter into a life together-not so they can get extra benefits.

I don't care if someone is gay or not, that's their choice. I do think homosexuals should have visitation rights and all that stuff regarding hospitals. But I don't believe the meaning and reason behind an important societal building block should be changed because a group has political backing.

but--what about all the heterosexual couples who marry without any intention of having children?? marriage isn't simply for breeding.

Thank you. I am 40, married for 18 years to the same guy, we have no children, nor intend to. Should my marriage not be legal??

Of course it's not all about breeding, but it also shouldn't be based on what kind of sex you have either.

Right. So...why shouldn't my marriage to my wife be legal?

I said it wasn't the only reason, but is is the biggest reason. Marriage is to help society function, to create succeeding generations.
Sure there are people who cannot have children, but they are in the extreme minority of couples. These people can always adopt if they choose. Before you say that gay couples can do the same let me say that I believe children benefit best overall from having a father and a mother raising them.

There are laws for straight people that govern who you can and cannot marry, not just homosexuals.The institution has never been a free for all.

I asked this earlier, should people who subscribe to Sharia Law not be protected under our domestic abuse laws?

paigemarie93

what does this have to do with fitness or weightloss

^ this. It's just going to cause arguments.

what does "what are you doing with your tax return" have to do with fitness or weight loss? If you don't want to discuss a topic, then scroll on by...

There's a line between chit chat, fun & games & too controversial for the forums.

hollyeverhart

I think the government has NO RIGHT to say who can & who can't get married. Just because I am straight & probably wouldn't (never know!) date/marry a women, doesn't at all mean another person shouldn't be able to do that. Do what makes you happy & let others do the same. If you have a problem with 2 men or 2 women getting married I think YOU are the one with the issue, not them. If it makes you uncomfortable to see a gay couple get married, maybe you have some deep seeded problem. I personally love to see a couple of any sexual orientation happy together! I love my Husband & being married is great, the government has no right to deny that feeling to same sex couples. I doubt I will be able to read most of the replies under this original post because I get easily pissed off with close-minded people and their nasty comments about gay people. My best friend is gay, and I find it highly offensive for people to talk badly about gay people, everyone is different, born different, like/attracted to different things, who are you/government to judge!?

hollyeverhart

I agree I have no gay intentions, but I believe they deserve every right and privilege that straight men and women do. We live in the free world, yet we can't seem to get over this last leg of Civil Rights. It's 2012 these are the same people that work 16 hours days in the emergency rooms, climb ladders into burning buildings to save lives. Let us all treat them with the respect they deserve.

^So true!

ItsCasey

I never understood this "you have rights that I don't have" argument. I do not have the right to marry just anyone. I have the right to marry a man to whom I am not related, same as every other woman in the country. This is why it is not a constitutional issue.

As for "two consenting adults should be able to get married," really, a brother and sister should be able to get married?

And who said it was "okay" for Kim Kardashian to be married for 72 days? You will not find anyone who objects to gay marriage on religious grounds who thinks it's "okay" to marry someone for 2 months.

I don't believe the government should be in the marriage business at all (a wedding is a religious ceremony, and I don't need the government's help with that any more so than I needed their help at my baptism), but the fact remains that the government IS in the marriage business. As such, I believe it should be a state issue, as it currently is. If you are gay and find yourself living in a state that won't allow you to marry your partner, move. If you are not gay and find yourself living in a state that permits gay marriage and you just can't live with that, move. The feds need to stay out of it.