Ugh, The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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I can see the same argument being used towards minorities.This country has gone to hell. God forbid we should set good examples! Instead we practice "acceptance" so no one has to do anything hard. Nothing great was achieved without hard work and it's no surprise that we are falling behind in every single category.
Faaawk.
This for sure. God forbid anyone should be offended about anything. God forbid that anyone should lose at anything. The "I showed up" awards for kids are out of control, as well as the acceptance of everything. Sometimes you need to be told that you are fat, or stinky or lazy, or whatnot....
Anyway, the image of fat has changed over time. So, I really don't see the big deal. They should be accepted as human beings instead of being labeled as fat. If they choose to be over weight then so be it. How is that messing with your life?
Ever sit next to an extremely obese person on an airplane? Also, health care costs have increased significantly in part due to the rampant obesity related illnesses in this country. As we keep getting fatter, there ARE negative impacts on society as a whole. Just sayin.0 -
This is the reply of a person who clearly did not grow up in poverty but wants to say they did to add credibility to their post. No one who has ever had to work two jobs just to get by would say it is just as easy to make healthy food as it is to go to McDonalds and that does not ever consider the cost.
If you really want to eat a healthy diet then it is far more expensive and time consuming than eating fast foods. In this country, a lot of people want to think they grew up poor because they could not afford to go to Mexico on spring break. Real poverty is a much different thing.
To say having no time and no money and no safe place to get exericse are not excuses to be fat is to shout oout to the world that you have never lived that life.
You have no idea what my background is or how I grew up, so I'd appreciate you not making those assumptions. I was taught not to use my circumstances as an excuse to live poorly and to always do the best with what I have, period. If you think that means I'm lying about growing up poor, whatever. Like I said, you have no idea.
If you really want a REASONABLY healthy diet and are living in poverty it CAN be done, and it's not all that hard. Canned vegetables are cheap, as are many in-season fresh vegetables, which I am aware are not available cheaply in all areas. Rice is cheap, potatoes are cheap, beans are cheap, whole chickens are cheap, as are chicken breasts in bulk. Seasonings are not cheap, but a little can go a very long way. Ramen noodles can even be made reasonably healthy if they're cooked in chicken broth (also cheap) and seasoned with salt and pepper rather than that god awful seasoning packet. Many people living in poverty also have some assistance like food stamps, and it's possible to buy reasonably healthy food with food stamps. I'm not denying that it's very difficult, if not impossible, to eat an optimally healthy diet with very little money for food.. but a reasonably healthy diet is an entirely different story.
I don't know if you live near an Ocean State Job Lot but seasonings are 89 cents a bottle there. :-)
There's one 5 miles from my work....that's awesome! I guess they really gouge you at the grocery store...0 -
Why not suggest all kids should eat healthfully, instead of implying only fat kids have to?
It's my understanding that predominately the fat kids that aren't eating healthy.
Hell nah. I know sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many thin people who eat *kitten*. EVERYONE should be healthy, not just fat kids. Gtfo.0 -
As a parent of a 9 year old "chubby" girl this is a hard one. She is in soccer and does hapkido 3 days a week. I pack her healthy lunches because the hot lunch options at school are too grasy and unhealthy. I alwys have a bowl of fruit out that is the "help yourself" bowl, and we play wii together (wii fit or just dance) and still she gets picked on at school for being "FAT". I also have a friend that pushed her daughter too far and has recently caught her vomiting after eating. Long story short...we all just want to do whats best for our kids so that they are happy and healthy.
THANK YOU FOR BEING THAT PARENT!!! The parent that makes healthy choices for their child, has their child in sports and other activities and more importantly is teaching their child "healthy" lifestyle habits, but your child is still labeled as "fat" by her peers. Her peers parents have probably had conversation on what you're "not" doing to that is causing your child's "fatness". Continue to encourage to work hard, make good life choices, eat healthy & exercise, but most importantly...love herself!
Sometimes all you can do is your best!!! THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR YOUR CHILD!!!0 -
Why not suggest all kids should eat healthfully, instead of implying only fat kids have to?
It's my understanding that predominately the fat kids that aren't eating healthy.
I hope that was sarcasm. I was at my absolute thinnest in my life when I had the absolute worst diet.
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All through high school, all I ate was pizza, Burger King, McDonald's, Wendy's ... And you couldn't pay me to eat a vegetable! I weighed 110 pounds and wore a size 3.0 -
I will go against the grain here... Yes we should concentrate on teaching our children to eat healthy and be active but in a positive and enabling way, not by providing negative images and sending the message that fat people = bad people.
I dunno...snacker looks like a pretty nice lady.0 -
I will go against the grain here... Yes we should concentrate on teaching our children to eat healthy and be active but in a positive and enabling way, not by providing negative images and sending the message that fat people = bad people.
I dunno...snacker looks like a pretty nice lady.
She does! Wish I had a magic wand shooting out donuts and cupcakes...
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"Everyone, reach one..." How many of us commenting is willing to create a program in community centers or the like to share our struggles and be leaders & examples in our community on regaining or maintaining a healthy lifestyle? How many are willing "adopt" a family in poverty to teach and empower the family to live healthy? How many are willing to vote for school levies that would give school systems the money they need to serve healthier food choices. It's very easy to sit behind a keyboard & discuss (with passion I may add) that this organization shouldn't exist, or fat kids are lazy or poor = fat... But no matter what side of the issue you sit...there is an old saying..."if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem..." IJS And if you are out there making a difference....THANK YOU!!0
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Honestly, I wish Disney would serve healthier foods within their parks.
And beer.
They DO serve healthier foods now, fruit and yogurt everywhere. The fruit goes bad while they can't stock the ice cream Mickeys quickly enough. Sad, but true.
Epcot for the beer.
And they do have grilled meats and salads as options in the park restaurants. I went with my family in 2010 and was able to make good choices at all of the Disney parks I visited. But we did indulge in the Mickey ice cream bars once a day...yum!
I agree with all of the posters here that say it is up to the parents to help their children. I try to limit the salty and sugary snacks for my kiddos and always have lots of fruit choices and other better snacks around...not to say they are never allowed sweets, just in moderation. I want them to learn at an early age to make better choices than I did, so they do not have to struggle with their weight like I am now!0 -
This country has gone to hell. God forbid we should set good examples! Instead we practice "acceptance" so no one has to do anything hard. Nothing great was achieved without hard work and it's no surprise that we are falling behind in every single category.
Faaawk.
This for sure. God forbid anyone should be offended about anything. God forbid that anyone should lose at anything. The "I showed up" awards for kids are out of control, as well as the acceptance of everything. Sometimes you need to be told that you are fat, or stinky or lazy, or whatnot....
I was raised to be tough and if you want it, do it yourself. You take all the bad in with the good. If you don't succeed, get back up. Chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on. In general, our societal ideals are way too wimpy.0 -
The exhibit should take shots at the parents but they're the ones spending the money so that's not going to happen.
Personally, I agree with this.
Whilst the exhibit did sound ok it is really obese kids who will bear the brunt of the teasing / stigma rather than the parents who are making poor choices on their behalf.
"Shaming" children won't work except in the minority of case in my view.
Very true. The kids aren't the ones buying the food in the house. Parents aren't parents anymore in America. They're friends to their kids. Remove the junk food from the house, remove the Xbox, the Wii, whatever and make your kids do something besides sit in front of the TV. YOU ARE THE PARENT FOR GOD's SAKE.
But the way I see it, many parents are not going to change. So sometimes kids have to count on themselves and make their own healthy choices unfortunately. And i think encouraging them to get active is a great idea
it is a great idea, but how can a kid know he needs to make a change if his parents eat terribly and they buy terrible food. Kids have no other example to follow but that of their parents. and at some point the kid is going to have to make his own changes but if the parent instilled a healthier lifestyle from the get go then the kid would be fine. A kid cant go out and decide he wants a grilled chicken sandwhich instead of fried chicken and gravy, if thats what moms making thats what your eating.0 -
Agreed. Having a six pack equals healthy. What a load of ****.Why not suggest all kids should eat healthfully, instead of implying only fat kids have to?
It's my understanding that predominately the fat kids that aren't eating healthy.
Hell nah. I know sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many thin people who eat *kitten*. EVERYONE should be healthy, not just fat kids. Gtfo.0 -
I will go against the grain here... Yes we should concentrate on teaching our children to eat healthy and be active but in a positive and enabling way, not by providing negative images and sending the message that fat people = bad people.
I dunno...snacker looks like a pretty nice lady.
She does! Wish I had a magic wand shooting out donuts and cupcakes...
And she can fly!
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Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.0
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Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called fat and that meant healthy.0 -
I'm not surprised we are being forced to except any wrong life style that comes down the road.0
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I have.
I can see the same argument being used towards minorities.This country has gone to hell. God forbid we should set good examples! Instead we practice "acceptance" so no one has to do anything hard. Nothing great was achieved without hard work and it's no surprise that we are falling behind in every single category.
Faaawk.
This for sure. God forbid anyone should be offended about anything. God forbid that anyone should lose at anything. The "I showed up" awards for kids are out of control, as well as the acceptance of everything. Sometimes you need to be told that you are fat, or stinky or lazy, or whatnot....
Anyway, the image of fat has changed over time. So, I really don't see the big deal. They should be accepted as human beings instead of being labeled as fat. If they choose to be over weight then so be it. How is that messing with your life?
Ever sit next to an extremely obese person on an airplane? Also, health care costs have increased significantly in part due to the rampant obesity related illnesses in this country. As we keep getting fatter, there ARE negative impacts on society as a whole. Just sayin.
Okay, I can see healthcare cost. But were talking about being accepted as people and not fat people.
Regarding healthcare. Maybe they should give me credit for trying to be healthy. Oh wait...0 -
Oh wow.I'm not surprised we are being forced to except any wrong life style that comes down the road.
Being overweight is now being "wrong". Please explain to the class the "right" life style.0 -
Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called fat and that meant healthy.
Did you read the post from the parent of a 9 year old "chubby" girl who plays soccer and does hapkido, eats healthfully and still gets picked on at school for being "fat"? Sounds healthy to me!0 -
Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called some fat and that meant healthy.
People who are overweight and claim to be healthy often cite normal bloodwork (healthy cholesterol levels, blood pressure, etc.), but what they don't realize is that the real risk is the long term damage to the body caused by excess fat. Long-term obesity more than doubles the risk of certain types of cancers on top of the numerous long-term cardiovascular issues associated with it. This doesn't even address the issue of quality of life. If you are carrying so much weight that you can't go do fun things with your family, can't walk around the block, can't stand up or sit down without pain, you've lost a lot of your quality of life there. That's the saddest part about it all. I don't think there should be any promotion of this lifestyle as "normal" or "healthy" at all.0 -
National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance ... Their name says it all. Yes I think it is wrong to *force* children to diet since it'll damage their bodies in the long run (I am a prime example of this, stunted growth and deficiency's galore haha) but to influence them in a positive way (for example this Disney attraction that makes it fun for them whilst drilling an important message into their heads) is a great thing. Kids (don't always) tend to copy or idolize characters off tv, so showing the lazy people as the villain's and the hero's being hard working is a great message, no-one wants to be the villain.
This is actually the first time I've heard of the Nation Association to Advance Fat Acceptance and honestly I'm surprised such an organisation exists. Yes children and adults can gain and retain weight from certain medications and that, but they don't become obese from just medication, that's them doing that as well. I know plenty of people who have gotten chubbier from medication, but that is it, just chubbier not obese. And as a population most people don't tend to *discriminate* against *fat* people, sure we might assume that person is lazy, or has a food addiction or any number of things, but we don't put them in cages and point and laugh at them (sorry if someone else has already wrote that, didn't mean to steal it, just only read the OP's post). We accept people who are *fat* (using *'s since pass on if they mean overweight/obese etc) but that doesn't mean that we should encourage people who are morbidly obese to keep on being that way, it's unhealthy and incredibly dangerous. I think it's wrong to want to *advance fat acceptance" by taking away the very things that could potentially influence not just children, but the entire family to keep living or start living a healthier life style.0 -
I think the exhibit would have been fun. The only change that I think may have needed to happen was that they should have had obese and skinny children in the group of children who do nothing but eat and watch tv all day. Just because a kid is skinny does not mean he/she is eating a well balanced diet. I think it should have went that route. It is ridiculous though that this organization exists. I may go to their website and look.
Edit: okay, I went to their website. I understand why they exist: So that fat people don't get discriminated against or lose their jobs cause they are overweight, etc. (BTW, I know I am fat which is why I am learning how to eat better and change my life. So I use the word Fat a lot. Fat Fat Fat Fat) Then it goes too far. Calling people "a larger size" or calling it size acceptance doesn't make being overweight any healthier. You can't tell me every overweight person has a glandular problem. I am fat because I ate like a pig. This organization pisses me off. Of course we should not discriminate against anyone due to their weight. However, you can't go around and say that it is alright to be overweight considering all the health problems obesity can cause. Yes, as the website states, we all come in different shapes and sizes, but that does not mean that you should want to stay that way. just because you are happy being overweight does not mean you are healthy.0 -
Oh wow.I'm not surprised we are being forced to except any wrong life style that comes down the road.
Being overweight is now being "wrong". Please explain to the class the "right" life style.
^^^ Exactly what I was thinking.0 -
Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called fat and that meant healthy.
Did you read the post from the parent of a 9 year old "chubby" girl who plays soccer and does hapkido, eats healthfully and still gets picked on at school for being "fat"? Sounds healthy to me!
Did you ever see a lineman for a NFL team? I wuldn't consider these "atheletes" healthy either. Just because someone has a few "healthy" habits, that doesn't make them healthy.0 -
Add sumo wrestlers as well.Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called fat and that meant healthy.
Did you ever see a lineman for a NFL team? I wouldn't consider most of these "atheletes" healthy either. Just because someone has some "healthy" habits does not make them actually healthy. NEXT!
Did you read the post from the parent of a 9 year old "chubby" girl who plays soccer and does hapkido, eats healthfully and still gets picked on at school for being "fat"? Sounds healthy to me!
This thread is stupid.0 -
The exhibit should take shots at the parents but they're the ones spending the money so that's not going to happen.
Personally, I agree with this.
Whilst the exhibit did sound ok it is really obese kids who will bear the brunt of the teasing / stigma rather than the parents who are making poor choices on their behalf.
"Shaming" children won't work except in the minority of case in my view.
Very true. The kids aren't the ones buying the food in the house. Parents aren't parents anymore in America. They're friends to their kids. Remove the junk food from the house, remove the Xbox, the Wii, whatever and make your kids do something besides sit in front of the TV. YOU ARE THE PARENT FOR GOD's SAKE.
But the way I see it, many parents are not going to change. So sometimes kids have to count on themselves and make their own healthy choices unfortunately. And i think encouraging them to get active is a great idea
it is a great idea, but how can a kid know he needs to make a change if his parents eat terribly and they buy terrible food. Kids have no other example to follow but that of their parents. and at some point the kid is going to have to make his own changes but if the parent instilled a healthier lifestyle from the get go then the kid would be fine. A kid cant go out and decide he wants a grilled chicken sandwhich instead of fried chicken and gravy, if thats what moms making thats what your eating.
As a kid even with out my parent making healthy choices I became Vegetarian on and off and exercised a lot. It is possible but definitely better if there are better examples in the house too.0 -
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1eab2291f6.81
(And no, I don't know the full merit of the study, but someone said name one instance)
There are overweight people that are in better physical health than skinny people, and vice versa.
At a certain point, obesity levels do indicate that a person is 'unhealthy'. However, just because a random person is fat does not mean that a random skinnier person is healthier than them (drug use comes to mind). I think that's the crux of the issue.
I personally think the exhibit looks pretty lame, there are more effective ways to motivate children to be healthier.0 -
Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called fat and that meant healthy.
Did you ever see a lineman for a NFL team? I wouldn't consider most of these "atheletes" healthy either. Just because someone has some "healthy" habits does not make them actually healthy. NEXT!
Did you read the post from the parent of a 9 year old "chubby" girl who plays soccer and does hapkido, eats healthfully and still gets picked on at school for being "fat"? Sounds healthy to me!
Just providing an example of a person (a child) who leads a healthy lifestyle and is still labeled "fat" by her peers. NEXT.0 -
I wish anyone would point to anything about their mission or vision statements that indicates something strange or ridiculous. People get caught up on the name because of our individual views on what "acceptance" means.
The organization appears to be almost exclusively driven to end discrimination based on body size. If someone's objection is to the name, it's about as superficial as discriminating against someone because of their weight.0 -
Bottom line, skinny does not always equal healthy and fat does not always equal unhealthy. Read up on the Edmonton Obesity Staging System and the studies surrounding it.
I've read most of the posts on this thread and I'm tired of reading this excuse. Yes we know skinny isn't always healthy but please explain to me when FAT is healthy??!! I can never think of a time when someone was called fat and that meant healthy.
Did you ever see a lineman for a NFL team? I wouldn't consider most of these "atheletes" healthy either. Just because someone has some "healthy" habits does not make them actually healthy. NEXT!
Did you read the post from the parent of a 9 year old "chubby" girl who plays soccer and does hapkido, eats healthfully and still gets picked on at school for being "fat"? Sounds healthy to me!
Just providing an example of a person (a child) who leads a healthy lifestyle and is still labeled "fat" by her peers. NEXT.
Once again, healthy habits does NOT mean a totally healthy lifestyle.0
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