"Dirty and high carb eating"! Works for me!
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I'm not sure how they staged that cat picture! I'm not sure I would try it myself!
Okay. Back on topic and finding what will work for you. Everyone is different. The diversity of what the human species has thrived on is astounding. We're truly special animals in that way.
So be open to experimentation, and learn what works for you. And don't believe what anyone else tells you unless you've tried it and its worked. For you. Because as annoying as it is, losing weight is the easiest part. I don't know a fat person alive who hasn't managed to lose weight at least once! Keeping it off is where the smarts come in.0 -
Lol trust me I am one, lost 50 pounds last summer and gained it all back. I also agree about finding out what right for each person.I'm not sure how they staged that cat picture! I'm not sure I would try it myself!
Okay. Back on topic and finding what will work for you. Everyone is different. The diversity of what the human species has thrived on is astounding. We're truly special animals in that way.
So be open to experimentation, and learn what works for you. And don't believe what anyone else tells you unless you've tried it and its worked. For you. Because as annoying as it is, losing weight is the easiest part. I don't know a fat person alive who hasn't managed to lose weight at least once! Keeping it off is where the smarts come in.0 -
Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.0 -
Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.
The Best thing I have heard ever!!!0 -
Weight gain comes down to calorie balance period.0
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Which is why I DON'T put my clients on diets. With a little experimentation and some consistency, most of them will find out what foods they can have and some that they can't. Eating is a behavioral issue and people will address it accordingly to how they think they can handle it without going crazy.I'm not sure how they staged that cat picture! I'm not sure I would try it myself!
Okay. Back on topic and finding what will work for you. Everyone is different. The diversity of what the human species has thrived on is astounding. We're truly special animals in that way.
So be open to experimentation, and learn what works for you. And don't believe what anyone else tells you unless you've tried it and its worked. For you. Because as annoying as it is, losing weight is the easiest part. I don't know a fat person alive who hasn't managed to lose weight at least once! Keeping it off is where the smarts come in.
Like you stated, losing the weight isn't the challenge, keeping it off is. What I've found and experienced with clients is the ones that diet and abstain from foods they really like regain, where the ones that learn how to handle portions of the same foods don't have a regaining issue.
Will that work for everyone? Nope. But for the majority of average people I work with it does. Somewhere down the line something clicks and they get it. And really that's what it's all about.
I'm not against "clean eating" (I eat pretty clean 80% of the time), I just don't believe that having processed foods will "poison" or make you "unhealthy" like so many clean eaters here like to make people think it does. You can have your cake and eat it too................................in moderation.
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Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.
I love it when people who clearly don't have some kind of metabolic issue that makes them sensitive to carbs chimes in with their "wisdom". I recall going on Weight Watchers a couple decades back and it was a high-carb/low-fat plan. I weighed/measured/recorded everything and gained about 8 pounds in the course of about a month (don't recall now the exact weight and time-frame). I was called a liar and told I must be cheating. Not so. However, I was also miserable. I was starving all the time.
Now I realize it was the blood sugar swings that the eating plan caused me to have which made me feel starved. And, even though I stuck to the plan no matter how starved I was, I was miserable, grumpy to be around, and, after it became apparent that I was miserable for nothing because I was gaining, I went off of it. And just stayed chubby for years thinking I was doomed, was a failure, etc.
Then I learned about low-carb eating. Using the same measuring spoons and the same little Weight Watchers scale that can fit in your purse, I started weighing/measuring/recording everything I ate although, this time around, I counted both calories and carbs. I started losing and I was no longer starving either. Not only that, my energy was better, I felt great, no more headaches, bloating, sluggishness or daytime sleepiness, no more mood swings, better overall mood, clearer thinking, better memory, I could go on and on at the benefits.
So, using the same tools, doing it the same way, I lose one way and not the other. And you claim there's something I'm not telling you?
Granted, not everybody is effected by carbs this way but, just because you haven't experienced it for yourself, please don't discount the experience of the rest of us.
Should add that, as I have been losing weight and gaining fitness, I have been gradually increasing my carbs and I can handle more without these same ill effects or negative impacts on my blood sugar levels. And I'm enjoying it because I do love the taste of carb-rich foods. In fact, today is my splurge day and I just had two pieces of pizza. After it digests for a bit, I'm going for a bike ride to help process those carbs though. If I don't, I will experience some problems later. While I can eat more carbs, I can't just do it willy-nilly without adjusting some things around them to make them work for me instead of against me.0 -
Personally, I feel better when I eat lower carb (specifically Primal when I can), but carbs aren't the enemy...they are just a fact of life when it comes to eating. Someone mentioned carb cycling...is it similar to this: http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/carbs-are-not-the-enemy ? Definitely agree with the op on moderation and learned behavior being key for sustainability!0
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My husband is the same way. He is the same jean size since i met him 27 yrs ago. His mom is like that too. I think he just has a higher metabolism. Most of us are not like that. If i eat too much junk i gain weight. Period0
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I don't know anything about nutrition other than what I read on MFP and the internet but obviously everyone is different and what works for one person will not work for another. I've been trying to lose weight for the past 10 months, eating better and joined a gym. I would have pasta bread and rice, although wholemeal versions and I lost 27 pounds in 8 months. That is not a lot of weight for that length of time. Since the start of the new year I've been doing low carb/high protein and started doing strength training as well (not heavy lifting yet). I haven't lost any more weight. I'm eating around 1400 calories a day, although I do have my slip ups, I definitely do not eat perfectly all the time! In that same time my sister has lost 91 pounds and she only eats processed diet foods and only does cardio. I've had my blood taken twice to test for medical reasons why I don't lose weight and they can't find anything. Both my doctor and my trainer are confused! I'll keep going because I am getting fitter and healthier but for some people it's just not as simple as eat less and move more, or eat what you want in moderation. I've just got to be patient whilst I find what works for me.0
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Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.
I love it when people who clearly don't have some kind of metabolic issue that makes them sensitive to carbs chimes in with their "wisdom". I recall going on Weight Watchers a couple decades back and it was a high-carb/low-fat plan. I weighed/measured/recorded everything and gained about 8 pounds in the course of about a month (don't recall now the exact weight and time-frame). I was called a liar and told I must be cheating. Not so. However, I was also miserable. I was starving all the time.
I don't mean to be rude, but it's not wisdom, it's physics. You cannot gain weight eating fewer calories than you consume, because you cannot make something out of nothing (ie fat from nothing). I am not denying that some people fair better eating a low carb diet, I am saying that if you are eating fewer calories than your body burns you cannot gain fat. What works for you works for you, but you can't argue with the laws of thermodynamics.
I have to add that there is a reason why I get a bit passionate about telling people they don't have to cut carbs from their diet or eat only lettuce leaf to lose weight. The reason is because I used to be a yo yo dieter, trying every diet under the sun, believing that if I ate carbs I would somehow magically gain weight. Sure I could cut carbs out, for a week, two weeks, a month. But in the end I would feel like having some pasta, and I thought I had 'failed' my diet, I gave up and just went nuts and regained any weight I'd lost. Now I know better, I know I can fit pasta into my diet and still lose weight, I know I can have a bowl of icecream and still lose weight. The guilty feelings are gone, and I can just focus on living my life without having a new list of foods I am not allowed to eat.0 -
Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.
I love it when people who clearly don't have some kind of metabolic issue that makes them sensitive to carbs chimes in with their "wisdom". I recall going on Weight Watchers a couple decades back and it was a high-carb/low-fat plan. I weighed/measured/recorded everything and gained about 8 pounds in the course of about a month (don't recall now the exact weight and time-frame). I was called a liar and told I must be cheating. Not so. However, I was also miserable. I was starving all the time.
I don't mean to be rude, but it's not wisdom, it's physics. You cannot gain weight eating fewer calories than you consume, because you cannot make something out of nothing (ie fat from nothing). I am not denying that some people fair better eating a low carb diet, I am saying that if you are eating fewer calories than your body burns you cannot gain fat. What works for you works for you, but you can't argue with the laws of thermodynamics.
I have to add that there is a reason why I get a bit passionate about telling people they don't have to cut carbs from their diet or eat only lettuce leaf to lose weight. The reason is because I used to be a yo yo dieter, trying every diet under the sun, believing that if I ate carbs I would somehow magically gain weight. Sure I could cut carbs out, for a week, two weeks, a month. But in the end I would feel like having some pasta, and I thought I had 'failed' my diet, I gave up and just went nuts and regained any weight I'd lost. Now I know better, I know I can fit pasta into my diet and still lose weight, I know I can have a bowl of icecream and still lose weight. The guilty feelings are gone, and I can just focus on living my life without having a new list of foods I am not allowed to eat.
Explains the ticker... Don't people read the twinkie diet??? The person obviously did not eat 100% of his diet in twinkles but it was a great percentage of it. you can have one big mac meal and be done with your eating if you choose. You can have a few donuts if you choose its up to you! Many people go on through life without even thinking of what they are eating and yet they maintain their weight. I think the less energy we put towards our food the less negative energy we consume.
Its not rocket science!0 -
The model isn't rocket science, but the model is a non-linear equation with unknown variables, not simple arithmetic. The human body is so much more complicated than a mere machine. I am always fascinated to see people living "for years" under starvation conditions. A grown man. In a village someplace Manually farming. On 1200 calories a day. Who doesn't have the option "to cheat" on his "food diary" because there is no other food to eat. He may not be in optimal health or very happy...but he remains alive. For a really long time. Or the anorexic who runs 10 miles a day. TEN MILES A DAY. And eats 500 calories. Yeah...she'll eventually die. No joke. But the time frame is measured in YEARS, not months. The model hasn't changed, but clearly, the x has different values. And the line leading to death may appear asymptoptic for pretty long stretch. If we were machines, we wouldn't have endured. Human bred Holstein cows? *They're* machines. Without careful tending by agricultural specialists...feeding them the exact right nutrients at the exact right time? They die. Evolution (or God if you swing that way), isn't as dumb as we are. We were meant to last. The Holstein cow?...to be milked for a few short years and then eaten as hamburger.
Now. I'm not saying that each of us is "sooo" complicated and "such" an individual that basic rules of thumb can't, more or less, be true. I just think that the human animal is a much more magnificent specimen than we often give it credit for. We live in desserts and on glaciers. Eating mostly blubber and whale meat, or mostly tapioca root. So why is it so hard to believe that some people got that blubber eating gene, and some people got that tapioca root loving gene? Its not so much that one "couldn't" adapt to the other regime. But if they had a choice, why wouldn't they chose what's easiest?
Sure, I "could" train to be a basketball star. I'm sure I'd get some benefit. But at 4'11"...well, I might just be spittin' in the wind with that one. I might be happier doing...whatever it is that short people are good at. Looking cute? Yeah...looking cute. I'm working on *that* one.0 -
it doesn't take as long as you might think for an anorexic person to die...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327010/Parents-girl-died-anorexia-claims-lived-better-care.html0 -
it doesn't take as long as you might think for an anorexic person to die...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327010/Parents-girl-died-anorexia-claims-lived-better-care.html
That's an anecdote. I'm talking about the population. They endure in a way that is...in a sad way...fascinating. And, the difficulty of continuing to lose weight under starvation conditions is, of course, the practical problem of anorexia. It continues to get harder, and harder, and harder...0 -
Ever since I have allowed myself "dirty" foods, I no longer have out of control binges. It is awesome.0
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Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.
I love it when people who clearly don't have some kind of metabolic issue that makes them sensitive to carbs chimes in with their "wisdom". I recall going on Weight Watchers a couple decades back and it was a high-carb/low-fat plan. I weighed/measured/recorded everything and gained about 8 pounds in the course of about a month (don't recall now the exact weight and time-frame). I was called a liar and told I must be cheating. Not so. However, I was also miserable. I was starving all the time.
I don't mean to be rude, but it's not wisdom, it's physics. You cannot gain weight eating fewer calories than you consume, because you cannot make something out of nothing (ie fat from nothing). I am not denying that some people fair better eating a low carb diet, I am saying that if you are eating fewer calories than your body burns you cannot gain fat. What works for you works for you, but you can't argue with the laws of thermodynamics.
I have to add that there is a reason why I get a bit passionate about telling people they don't have to cut carbs from their diet or eat only lettuce leaf to lose weight. The reason is because I used to be a yo yo dieter, trying every diet under the sun, believing that if I ate carbs I would somehow magically gain weight. Sure I could cut carbs out, for a week, two weeks, a month. But in the end I would feel like having some pasta, and I thought I had 'failed' my diet, I gave up and just went nuts and regained any weight I'd lost. Now I know better, I know I can fit pasta into my diet and still lose weight, I know I can have a bowl of icecream and still lose weight. The guilty feelings are gone, and I can just focus on living my life without having a new list of foods I am not allowed to eat.
First, I'm not a NO carb advocate. I'm not even a very low carb advocate as I couldn't stick to very low carb either and have found greater success eating at 80-100 grams/day with some splurge days. Today I had pizza and so far I'm at 130 grams for the day and the day isn't over. I can't do it multiple days in a row but I can do it once in awhile. Especially if it's a day where I've exercised intensely.
And the reasons why I could do very low carb was the same as you. One bite and I would go on a carb binge that wouldn't stop and would make me feel like a failure. I don't think we're so very different.
I totally understand the physics argument and I know it's counter-intuitive. But, gosh, how many times have we read here at MFP people told to increase their calories in order to lose weight because they're eating too little and their bodies are holding onto the weight due to starvation mode/lowered metabolism/whatever you want to call it? That's practically a mantra here. And it's totally counter-intuitive as well but, guess what, I tried it and it works. Many others have tried it and it works. Doesn't that also totally defy the laws of physics? Eat more calories to lose more weight? Sure does but nobody pulls out the physics argument or mentions the laws of thermodynamics when that issue comes up.
If someone has metabolic issues that is negative impacted by carbs, they might have increased insulin in their system and, yes, I know this is controversial around here but it is apparent that some of us can't eat as many carbs as the general population without gaining weight due to how our body responds to you. Even in a reduced calorie situation. And, yes, this defies the laws of physics just as raising calories to lose weight defies it.
I just don't understand why one issue which defies physics is trumpeted here at MFP with great aplomb while another issue which defies physics is ballyhooed and those who have experienced it are called liars and cheats....or just plain dumb. That, my dear, is what defies logic, imho.0 -
Works for me too.
Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.
I love it when people who clearly don't have some kind of metabolic issue that makes them sensitive to carbs chimes in with their "wisdom". I recall going on Weight Watchers a couple decades back and it was a high-carb/low-fat plan. I weighed/measured/recorded everything and gained about 8 pounds in the course of about a month (don't recall now the exact weight and time-frame). I was called a liar and told I must be cheating. Not so. However, I was also miserable. I was starving all the time.
I don't mean to be rude, but it's not wisdom, it's physics. You cannot gain weight eating fewer calories than you consume, because you cannot make something out of nothing (ie fat from nothing). I am not denying that some people fair better eating a low carb diet, I am saying that if you are eating fewer calories than your body burns you cannot gain fat. What works for you works for you, but you can't argue with the laws of thermodynamics.
I have to add that there is a reason why I get a bit passionate about telling people they don't have to cut carbs from their diet or eat only lettuce leaf to lose weight. The reason is because I used to be a yo yo dieter, trying every diet under the sun, believing that if I ate carbs I would somehow magically gain weight. Sure I could cut carbs out, for a week, two weeks, a month. But in the end I would feel like having some pasta, and I thought I had 'failed' my diet, I gave up and just went nuts and regained any weight I'd lost. Now I know better, I know I can fit pasta into my diet and still lose weight, I know I can have a bowl of icecream and still lose weight. The guilty feelings are gone, and I can just focus on living my life without having a new list of foods I am not allowed to eat.
Explains the ticker... Don't people read the twinkie diet??? The person obviously did not eat 100% of his diet in twinkles but it was a great percentage of it. you can have one big mac meal and be done with your eating if you choose. You can have a few donuts if you choose its up to you! Many people go on through life without even thinking of what they are eating and yet they maintain their weight. I think the less energy we put towards our food the less negative energy we consume.
Its not rocket science!
While I realize my weight loss isn't as much, I think my ticker should speak for itself as well. And, while some can lose weight that way, some of us with various metabolic issues ranging from insulin resistance to hypoglycemia to diabetes to PCOS and probably a few more that I'm unaware of don't react positively to carbs in our diet even in a calorie deficit.
Do you honestly think I spent over 20 years of my life trying to lose weight to the point where I had to go into therapy, had virtually no self-esteem or confidence, thought I was a failure in everything in my life because of this one issue and weighed/measured/tracked every bite that passed my lips for years without success until I simply lowered my carb intake would have been lying to myself all those years? Especially since I love carbs. Love them. My favorite food group. And I'm thrilled that due to my increased fitness and, probably, my lowered weight, I can process carbs better now and can eat a few more. If it was all about what I like to chew, I would be all for a high-carb diet. But it doesn't work for me. And I know I'm not alone in that.
And, before anybody jumps in and says with the lowered carbs, I've lowered my overall calorie intake, that's not true at all. I upped my protein and fats to compensate for the lowered carbs and then now have actually raised my net calorie intake to where I'm averaging about 4000 calories per week more than I used to eat when I ate low-fat/low-protein/high-carb.
I'm curious why someone who thinks it's not rocket science is giving kudos to someone who brings physics into the discussion. Odd.0 -
Yeah I agree. I really don't endorse processed foods, or eating junk on a regular, but i do keep some of my unhealthy vices around to keep me sane. If this is a lifestyle change, I'm sorry but I can't do organic, whole, straight from the ground foods 24 hours a day, seven days a week for THE REST OF MY LIFE. I can however do those 80% of the time, and 20% of the time eat whatever the heck I please. There are certain things that I have chosen to eliminate completely and probably won't ever eat again, but that's mostly due to my acid reflux and those things irritate the mess outta me. So I'll take carbs please (especially sweets). I'm a serious chocolate addict.0
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The model isn't rocket science, but the model is a non-linear equation with unknown variables, not simple arithmetic. The human body is so much more complicated than a mere machine. I am always fascinated to see people living "for years" under starvation conditions. A grown man. In a village someplace Manually farming. On 1200 calories a day. Who doesn't have the option "to cheat" on his "food diary" because there is no other food to eat. He may not be in optimal health or very happy...but he remains alive. For a really long time. Or the anorexic who runs 10 miles a day. TEN MILES A DAY. And eats 500 calories. Yeah...she'll eventually die. No joke. But the time frame is measured in YEARS, not months. The model hasn't changed, but clearly, the x has different values. And the line leading to death may appear asymptoptic for pretty long stretch. If we were machines, we wouldn't have endured. Human bred Holstein cows? *They're* machines. Without careful tending by agricultural specialists...feeding them the exact right nutrients at the exact right time? They die. Evolution (or God if you swing that way), isn't as dumb as we are. We were meant to last. The Holstein cow?...to be milked for a few short years and then eaten as hamburger.
Now. I'm not saying that each of us is "sooo" complicated and "such" an individual that basic rules of thumb can't, more or less, be true. I just think that the human animal is a much more magnificent specimen than we often give it credit for. We live in desserts and on glaciers. Eating mostly blubber and whale meat, or mostly tapioca root. So why is it so hard to believe that some people got that blubber eating gene, and some people got that tapioca root loving gene? Its not so much that one "couldn't" adapt to the other regime. But if they had a choice, why wouldn't they chose what's easiest?
Sure, I "could" train to be a basketball star. I'm sure I'd get some benefit. But at 4'11"...well, I might just be spittin' in the wind with that one. I might be happier doing...whatever it is that short people are good at. Looking cute? Yeah...looking cute. I'm working on *that* one.
Well said. I've often wondered if it's due to my 100% Norwegian heritage. After all, I'm sure that unless they were pillaging grain from other places, that they had limited access to grains in their daily life. I'm really half-joking here.
I only come into these discussions because I get to tired of telling people what they should eat. While I agree that some basic principles regarding protein intake for maintaining muscles, eating enough calories to fuel your body and to not depress your metabolism, etc., make good common sense that everyone can apply. However, the make-up of the individual foods we eat should be respected across eating styles whether it be low- or mod-carb, vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian, paleo, whatever. Any one individual eating plan is not superior to the other for the general population. However, one eating plan might be superior for that individual person.
And I'm not against eating "dirty". Heck, as I mentioned earlier, I've had three slices of pizza today. Over several days last week, I enjoyed a slice off a huge cinnamon roll slightly heated in the microwave with melted butter. With that gone, I'm now enjoying slices off a great cranberry-crumble pastry each day. I occasionally go to fast food drive-thru windows when pressed for time. Last week, due to being late to play rehearsal where I would either have time to go home and eat a healthy dinner and skip exercise, or exercise and eat in the car on the way to rehearsal, I had a local burger joint hamburger one day and a Filet-o-Fish from McDonald's another day.
And I do encourage those who complain that they miss their wine, beer, pie, cake, ice cream, whatever to learn to indulge in it so they don't go through their weight loss feeling deprived and, thus, eventually failing. I just know that I have to carefully watch that the carb creep in my diet doesn't get too high on a consistent basis or my weight loss totally grinds to a halt even if I'm keeping my calories at the same level. Now, sometimes I choose to do this as a break from dieting (and I'm all about flexible dieting) like during the holidays and during a week of vacation. But I can't go above certain carb limits on a regular basis if I want to lose more weight.
Well, I've probably yammered on enough here.0
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