Dangers of Vegetarian & Vegan Diets Long-Term

jaymek92

Come on people, we have incisors for a reason.........................duh

i dunno, i never really used my incisors when i was eating meat. or the chik'n patty i'm eating as i type. i use my incisors to bite bananas or apples or clementines.
we have appendixes, too, but we evolved so we don't (appear to) need them anymore.

daffodilsoup

My ultimate point in all this is don't make a person to be wrong if they choose to hunt/slaughter to feed themselves. In the proper situation I am sure anyone would.

And you are absolutely welcome to that opinion, but given that people can thrive on a plant-based diet, I find it selfish and gluttonous that man would continue to kill other sentient beings for his own momentary pleasure. And that's my point.

nnylee

Anyone have any popcorn? I'm gonna need it for this thread.

I am a meat eater, however I don't understand why you would cut and paste some random link on the internet and not have a single thing to back up your facts. I have many vegan/veg friends and they are just fine. In fact, they are healthier than me.

This.

xASHYxSMASHYx

This is a ridiculous post. Seriously, if you feel the need to stir up this kind of debate, you should have your own words and wisdom to back it up. I could pull up a study proving just about anything is bad for you these days on the internet. That doesn't make it true.
And in fact, some people greatly benefit from vegetarian diets for specific diseases such as Arthritis where the digestion of meat actually causes inflammation and further pain in the body.
However it doesn't really matter what anyone on here says to change your mind... narrow minds will always remain narrow, until they are forced to see otherwise from circumstances beyond their control.

plushkitten

That might be true, but they're also the most successful. They can hunt virtually anything.

But the question is, should they? Do they have a right to?

Yes, and Yes

Thank you for adding to this conversation. I feel enlightened.

My ultimate point in all this is don't make a person to be wrong if they choose to hunt/slaughter to feed themselves. In the proper situation I am sure anyone would.

^^That.

jaymek92

My ultimate point in all this is don't make a person to be wrong if they choose to hunt/slaughter to feed themselves. In the proper situation I am sure anyone would.

so do you hunt/slaughter all of your own meat? if you have lobster, do you go out there and dive for it yourself? are you out there hunting the cattle on ranches for your burgers?

albinogorilla

That might be true, but they're also the most successful. They can hunt virtually anything.

But the question is, should they? Do they have a right to?

Yes, and Yes

Thank you for adding to this conversation. I feel enlightened.

Not sure why you would find that enlightening, but good for you. Its a moral issue........people will never agree. I think its silly to not eat meat for moral reasons. You think its silly that i don't care about a cow or a chicken. Agree to disagree. But I will agree, that you can eat healthy no matter what you choose. But, for me personally, I like meat, I eat it, I need it for what my goals are.

tigersword

I don't want to draw fire from vegans and vegetarians but I've never met a really healthy looking one! I always assumed that they just weren't balancing their meals right. But maybe it's because strictly vegetarian eating goes against that fact that we are meat-eating animals.
If you are healthy and a vegatarian more power to you. BUT isn't it a good idea to keep an open mind particularly when it comes to your health? Also I'm not against vegetarian meals..I find them delicious and eat them a lot.

Brendan Brazier, triathlete, vegan.


Chad Ochocinco, NFL athlete, vegetarian.






This tofu is delicious.

This exactly!!! And WWE World Champion Daniel Bryan, and MMA fighter Jake Shields, who I believe has recently taken up a full vegan diet!

Bryan Danielson (or Daniel Bryan) doesn't count. He's only vegan out of medical necessity, not out of any particular preference. Dude loves and misses bacon, and still eats it on occasion, due to not always being able to find vegan food on the road at 3AM. :laugh:

Machdude

and they will continue to be less "prominent" the more we eat at Mickey D's and the lot. Don't even need teeth to eat fast food

adriawall

*yawn*

Exactly...yawn.

idonteatmyfriends

I don't want to draw fire from vegans and vegetarians but I've never met a really healthy looking one! I always assumed that they just weren't balancing their meals right. But maybe it's because strictly vegetarian eating goes against that fact that we are meat-eating animals.
If you are healthy and a vegatarian more power to you. BUT isn't it a good idea to keep an open mind particularly when it comes to your health? Also I'm not against vegetarian meals..I find them delicious and eat them a lot.

Brendan Brazier, triathlete, vegan.


Chad Ochocinco, NFL athlete, vegetarian.






This tofu is delicious.

This exactly!!! And WWE World Champion Daniel Bryan, and MMA fighter Jake Shields, who I believe has recently taken up a full vegan diet!

Bryan Danielson (or Daniel Bryan) doesn't count. He's only vegan out of medical necessity, not out of any particular preference. Dude loves and misses bacon, and still eats it on occasion, due to not always being able to find vegan food on the road at 3AM. :laugh:

Erm, the point that was being made here was that the person posting said they had never seen a healthy looking vegan and I was saying that he was vegan and looks healthy, if the reason he ate a vegan diet was for ethical or health reasons never came into question.

carajo

I'm sure you KNEW you would get a ton of flack from this post....that being said...I am proud to be a hardworking cattle rancher....so go you! More people that support the beef industry is more $$$

albinogorilla

I'm sure you KNEW you would get a ton of flack from this post....that being said...I am proud to be a hardworking cattle rancher....so go you! More people that support the beef industry is more $$$

keep em' comin'...........this post is making me hungry !!!!

Machdude

So eating "dead fish" is gross, but eating "dead plants" is ok?

DamnImCute

RAW vegan here. I switched my diet because i saw so many healthy looking raw vegan fruitiarians. I'm 53 and feel the best i ever have. Do i slip up, sure i do, but i stick to my diet the best I can. I'm losing weight and feeling great!

Good for you! I hope you can maintain RAW. I too, switched my diet when I could no longer digest meats (of ANY kind!).

First, I became vegetarian, then vegan and was RAW for nearly 4 months. Although I couldn't maintain that diet due to my own inability to prioritize properly, I have to admit... I NEVER felt better than when I went RAW!!

I resumed my vegan diet for several months afterwards and then went back to vegetarian (I kinda like eggs). I have had issues with iron deficiency BUT NOT because of my diet!! (I won't elaborate :embarassed: )

Bottom line everyone: I didn't change my food choices for anyone but myself (although there's TONS of literature about the benefits of vegan/vegetarian diets - including environmental... hence, it's not just about animal torture). People can't judge what they don't know/understand. All this vitamin deficiency talk is a non-issue for educated vegans/vegetarians/RAW. Btw... humans (especially women - the "gatherers") originally consumed MOSTLY nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies while the men ("hunters") were away for long bouts, trying to kill animals for meat. Jus' saying...

Machdude

Had a really great season last year didn't he?

becoming_a_new_me

The truth of it is that it's really a choice like being a democrat or republican, apple or pc, etc. If you have a moral objection to eating meat, then don't eat it. If you don't like meat, don't eat it. If you don't have a moral objection to killing animals and enjoy eating meat, eat meat. Trying to claim that one is "better" than the other is absurd because the notion of "better" is too subjective.

Pushy meat eaters and pushy vegetarians annoy me equally.

Thank you!! And this is why we are friends!!

daffodilsoup

I pay for people to do that for me. That's what the USDA is for. ha

Good thing we have those skilled hunters to rely on.



Ahhh, the splendor of man.

angelashay42

The inability in animals to reason is why they do not have rights. I wish vegans cared as much about human beings as they do about my food supply.

So that means that infants and mentally challenged people have no rights?

Logical fallacy

Yes. Your comment that the sole reason why animals have no rights is because they are unable to reason (which is actually not true, it is free will that sets them apart) is illogical. This would imply that other beings, such as infants and the mentally handicapped should also, by default, not have rights.
Which "rights" are we talking about anyways. Americans have very different rights than North Koreans. Are we talking about the right to life? Well, there are humans that we deem not entitled to life. That's why we have the death penalty in many states. Are these the rights that you speak of?

daffodilsoup

I pay for people to do that for me. That's what the USDA is for. ha

Good thing we have those skilled hunters to rely on.



Ahhh, the splendor of man.

How many grams of protien is that?

The same as in an equal amount of seitan

Kenzietea2

I have an idea... Maybe we should all mind our own business and eat what we think is healthiest? Meat eaters will not convince an avid vegan/vegetarian to eat meat (especially online), and vegetarians will have trouble doing the same.

For a lot of vegans/vegetarians, it goes beyond being a matter of food or health, but it's a matter of morals and ethics. For some people, to sit idly by and choose not to speak out against needless killing is simply unethical.

I agree in standing up for your beliefs, (ESPECIALLY when cornered) so I do understand that. But to post a topic in a place where you will just be making people angry just seems like a bad idea.

I've witnessed a lack of mutual respect on these threads, and I don't see why there has to be.

Also, at the end of the day... no one is going to convince anyone of anything on here.

So lets all just be mutually respectful and let each other eat what we want- whether we disagree on a moral, ethical, or for just plain dietary reasons. Its a lot better than making everyone angry and in the end it really just pushes people away from whatever your personal beliefs are.

The best way of convincing someone of something, is by action. Not a bunch of words.

daffodilsoup

I wonder how many starving kids that can feed.

Yeah, because the way things are seems to be working splendidly.

SusanMcAvoy

Bumping so I can come back later and read this thread. It looks very interesting (and entertaining) . Vegans and vegetarians are healthier than I am but that's just my opinion. I hate that I eat animals and really wish my husband wasn't a omnivore. I don't eat much meat though... rarely do. I mostly eat fish which is bad enough but I can't successfully do the vegan thing. I've tried and I'm sorry. Trust me, I could never hunt. But.... some people who live in remote areas such as northern Canada and Alaska have to hunt. I don't judge them. I try not to judge anybody. I wish we could all be a little kinder, don't you?

tistal

My ultimate point in all this is don't make a person to be wrong if they choose to hunt/slaughter to feed themselves. In the proper situation I am sure anyone would.

so do you hunt/slaughter all of your own meat? if you have lobster, do you go out there and dive for it yourself? are you out there hunting the cattle on ranches for your burgers?

Some of us do. Growing up, we raised our own beef cattle, raised our own chicken, and had a catfish pond! My parents hunt and as we speak I have a freezer full of elk, deer and turkey that we went out and killed.

just4peachy

So lets all just be mutually respectful

LOL are we on the same forum? It seems, the longer I'm on here, the less respectful and the more inflamatory people get.

Anomalia

I became a vegetarian 2 years ago. I've never really liked the idea of eating dead flesh. It has always grossed me out but I (ignorantly) thought that it was the only way. That's how my family ate, so that's how I ate. However, as I learned more, met new people, and did some research about healthy alternatives, I realized that I could have a balanced, full diet without the blood and the flesh and carcasses of animals who deserve to live just as much as I do. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs. They have feelings and they families. Would you eat your dog?

I think it's ignorance and poor upbringing that leads most Americans to blindly eat burgers made of questionable meat by-product served by a scary clown man.

Is this a ****ing joke? "ignorance and poor upbringing"? You, yourself have just proven that even vegetarians can display mannerisms that would result from "ignorance and poor upbringing". Thank you :flowerforyou:

I was simply commenting on the influence that fast food and junk food has over Americans who may not have the means or the education to make healthier choices. I just said it in a funny way, as to piss off people like you.

The part about eating burgers made of questionable meat by-products being served by a scary clown man was funny. It was the "ignorance and poor upbringing" part that I found to be, ironically, extraordinarily ignorant.

Anomalia

The inability in animals to reason is why they do not have rights. I wish vegans cared as much about human beings as they do about my food supply.

So that means that infants and mentally challenged people have no rights?

Logical fallacy

Yes. Your comment that the sole reason why animals have no rights is because they are unable to reason (which is actually not true, it is free will that sets them apart) is illogical. This would imply that other beings, such as infants and the mentally handicapped should also, by default, not have rights.
Which "rights" are we talking about anyways. Americans have very different rights than North Koreans. Are we talking about the right to life? Well, there are humans that we deem not entitled to life. That's why we have the death penalty in many states. Are these the rights that you speak of?

I would implore you to seek out education on the subjects about which you speak with all deliberate speed.

Bookers23

Makes no difference to me, i am an omnivore, but how do you decide who deserves to be food? Like it or not, plants are also living organisms that respond to stimuli like light, gravity and touch. In fact, some groups even believe plants can feel pain. Take the Ethics Committee on Non-Human Biotechnology, for instance. This Swiss group recently came out in defense of our leafy green friends in a report on “the dignity of the creature in the plant world.” They argued that plants deserve respect and that killing them arbitrarily is morally wrong.

Brandongood

I'll eat a pigs *kitten* if they cook it right! People dying of starvation in this world and were worried about meat or veggies. GTFOH

Contrarian

Some people eat meat and some people don't. It's nice to have choices, isn't it?