Dangers of Vegetarian & Vegan Diets Long-Term
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I have a serious question. What's the difference between a vegetarian diet and a vegan diet?0
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I have a serious question. What's the difference between a vegetarian diet and a vegan diet?
Vegetarians don't eat animal flesh, including that of chickens and fish. They may eat eggs andor dairy products. Vegans don't eat any of those things, and may also avoid buying honey, leather, wool and cosmetics/cleaners which contain animal products and/or are tested on animals.0 -
This will get buried, but I was a strict vegetarian for two years. I ate cheese and eggs, but no meat whatsoever. I felt very good for the first 3 months or so, but then my energy started to rapidly decline. It got to where, during any kind of physical exertion, I would feel a crushing tiredness, like all my energy was being sapped out through my feet. I got an iron/vitamin d test, and both were fine. About 9 months ago, I started eating meat again. The tired feeling went away. Now I feel great, normal again. So, I guess Vegetarianism/Veganism works for some people, but not for me.0
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Eat what you want and stop caring what other people think... I mean does it REALLY matter?
So you blast vegetarians? Good for you.
What about low carb?
What about low fat?
What about low carb AND low fat?
Primal/paleo?
Genetically modified foods?
Point being that what people is really and truly is THEIR business. There will always be some research (and I use that term incredibly loosely, as scientific rigor does vary significantly) promoting or demonising a particular way of living.
The vegetarians are happy - leave them alone. The omnivores are happy - leave them alone too.
If vegetarianism was SO bad and unhealthy, why do people today STILL choose not to eat meat?
At the end of the day we all eat to stay alive - what we choose to eat to do so is entirely a matter of personal choice, rather than public opinion.0 -
would you have said that to me if i wasn't white?Look, I can understand that you've obviously lived an incredibly sheltered life, but If you can't see how bringing up slavery is ignorant and offensive, then I have nothing to say.
Do animals have rights? If they can survive by themselves, then they have the right to live until they die or are killed. If they require human intervention to survive, then they have the right to live as long as humans intervene to keep them that way.
I got an idea, why don't you walk right up to a black person, and tell them that animals are just as much slaves as their ancestors were. See how much they appreciate that sentiment.
i never said anything about black slaves. there were jewish slaves. there were roman slaves. there were greek slaves. there are south asian slaves. there are sex slaves. there are debt slaves. i never said anything about race or even what kind of slaves. i simply said slaves.
Ok, so go find a Greek, or Jew, or Roman, or Armenian, or any other rationalization you want to throw out there and go tell them that an animal is just as much a slave as their ancestors. Or go find a mother whose child was kidnapped and sold to another country as a sex slave, and tell her an animal is a slave just like her child is.
You can justify and rationalize all you like, it just makes what you said even more insensitive, ignorant, and offensive, not less.
You seem very persistent in making your point. I believe at this point, you may be arguing with yourself. I read the thread, and I think you probably yelled 'busted' to yourself when she took the bait. Insensitive? Ignorant? Offensive? Hmmmmmm....
I'm not arguing as much as I'm flabbergasted that someone would actually make that comment, and then attempt to justify it because they didn't "specify the type of slave."0 -
Or people could, ya know, stop having so many goddamn kids.
What, you mean like your parents?0 -
would you have said that to me if i wasn't white?Look, I can understand that you've obviously lived an incredibly sheltered life, but If you can't see how bringing up slavery is ignorant and offensive, then I have nothing to say.
Do animals have rights? If they can survive by themselves, then they have the right to live until they die or are killed. If they require human intervention to survive, then they have the right to live as long as humans intervene to keep them that way.
I got an idea, why don't you walk right up to a black person, and tell them that animals are just as much slaves as their ancestors were. See how much they appreciate that sentiment.
i never said anything about black slaves. there were jewish slaves. there were roman slaves. there were greek slaves. there are south asian slaves. there are sex slaves. there are debt slaves. i never said anything about race or even what kind of slaves. i simply said slaves.
Ok, so go find a Greek, or Jew, or Roman, or Armenian, or any other rationalization you want to throw out there and go tell them that an animal is just as much a slave as their ancestors. Or go find a mother whose child was kidnapped and sold to another country as a sex slave, and tell her an animal is a slave just like her child is.
You can justify and rationalize all you like, it just makes what you said even more insensitive, ignorant, and offensive, not less.
You seem very persistent in making your point. I believe at this point, you may be arguing with yourself. I read the thread, and I think you probably yelled 'busted' to yourself when she took the bait. Insensitive? Ignorant? Offensive? Hmmmmmm....
I'm not arguing as much as I'm flabbergasted that someone would actually make that comment, and then attempt to justify it because they didn't "specify the type of slave."
There are vegetarians who consider themselves abolitionists, in that they would like the confinement and slaughter of animals to be illegal and simply, gone. Such vegetarians wish for the day when people will look back on our present relationship to animals in shame and disgust. Drawing parallels to slavery isn't something I would personally do, since it hurts people who have been hurt enough by this blight upon our history.0 -
brendan brazier, vegan professional triathlete 
Does he ever win?
don't troll my posts just because you didn't like what I had to say in your forum.0 -
Bump....healthy vegetarian here!0
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In fact, if someone has been a vegetarian for some time, eating meat will actually make them ill because they no longer produce an enzyme that we need to process meat. If that enzyme stops being produced if you stop eating meat, how can you say we are 'made to eat meat'. It would be more accurate to say we can adapt to eat meat.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that we adapt to NOT eating meat.
Also, question for the vegetarians. Are you vegetarian for health reasons or because of moral ones? If you lived on a farm and knew your cows and such are being treated right and fed right and all that jazz, could you eat those animals?
No it would not - we do not produce the enzyme if we do not eat meat - there is no enzyme we need to produce to be a vegeterian.
I do not care how an animal is kept, I would still not eat it. I would obviously prefer all animals to be raised humanely for those who do eat meat.0 -
Cavemen went to ALOT of time, effort and considable RISK to hunt down red meat for the tribe.0
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Also, question for the vegetarians.
Are you vegetarian for health reasons or because of moral ones?
Both.
If you lived on a farm and knew your cows and such are being treated right and fed right and all that jazz, could you eat those animals?
No, not now. I actually grew up on a small farm, named our family's steers and chickens, and ate them. Some of my meat-eating childhood friends would come over to eat and refuse to eat 'Betsy', 'Shadow' or 'Someday'. At the time, I saw those friends as hypocrites, since they would eat animals they didn't know personally. Now, I reject all of it. Our animals were treated like pets and showed innocent trust and we betrayed it. Vile.0 -
dont forget Alicia Silverstone. Im hoping to add myself to that list too :-)I don't want to draw fire from vegans and vegetarians but I've never met a really healthy looking one! I always assumed that they just weren't balancing their meals right. But maybe it's because strictly vegetarian eating goes against that fact that we are meat-eating animals.
If you are healthy and a vegatarian more power to you. BUT isn't it a good idea to keep an open mind particularly when it comes to your health? Also I'm not against vegetarian meals..I find them delicious and eat them a lot.
Brendan Brazier, triathlete, vegan.
Chad Ochocinco, NFL athlete, vegetarian.
This tofu is delicious.
This exactly!!! And WWE World Champion Daniel Bryan, and MMA fighter Jake Shields, who I believe has recently taken up a full vegan diet!0 -
Pretty sure it was just posted as a response to the "Eating meat gives you cancer and you will die horribly" topic.You know you're not going to change anyone's mind so why bother posting this? Are you just bored or something?
I was thinking that myself!0 -
Also, question for the vegetarians.
Are you vegetarian for health reasons or because of moral ones?
Both.
If you lived on a farm and knew your cows and such are being treated right and fed right and all that jazz, could you eat those animals?
No, not now. I actually grew up on a small farm, named our family's steers and chickens, and ate them. Some of my meat-eating childhood friends would come over to eat and refuse to eat 'Betsy', 'Shadow' or 'Someday'. At the time, I saw those friends as hypocrites, since they would eat animals they didn't know personally. Now, I reject all of it. Our animals were treated like pets and showed innocent trust and we betrayed it. Vile.
What the hell does this have to do with anything? I'll go to church if I need preachin'0 -
dont forget Alicia Silverstone. Im hoping to add myself to that list too :-)I don't want to draw fire from vegans and vegetarians but I've never met a really healthy looking one! I always assumed that they just weren't balancing their meals right. But maybe it's because strictly vegetarian eating goes against that fact that we are meat-eating animals.
If you are healthy and a vegatarian more power to you. BUT isn't it a good idea to keep an open mind particularly when it comes to your health? Also I'm not against vegetarian meals..I find them delicious and eat them a lot.
Brendan Brazier, triathlete, vegan.
Chad Ochocinco, NFL athlete, vegetarian.
This tofu is delicious.
This exactly!!! And WWE World Champion Daniel Bryan, and MMA fighter Jake Shields, who I believe has recently taken up a full vegan diet!
^^ lovely points.
I have been vegetarian for over ten years and haven't had any medical problems whatsoever.
Unless I have already died from the dangers of long term vegetarianism......................and didn't know it................................. bahaha0 -
i dunno, i never really used my incisors when i was eating meat. or the chik'n patty i'm eating as i type. i use my incisors to bite bananas or apples or clementines.Come on people, we have incisors for a reason.........................duh
we have appendixes, too, but we evolved so we don't (appear to) need them anymore.
Agreed - have you seen the incisors on a gorilla - and they are vegetarian for the most part (they do eat bugs)?0 -
dont forget Alicia Silverstone. Im hoping to add myself to that list too :-)I don't want to draw fire from vegans and vegetarians but I've never met a really healthy looking one! I always assumed that they just weren't balancing their meals right. But maybe it's because strictly vegetarian eating goes against that fact that we are meat-eating animals.
If you are healthy and a vegatarian more power to you. BUT isn't it a good idea to keep an open mind particularly when it comes to your health? Also I'm not against vegetarian meals..I find them delicious and eat them a lot.
Brendan Brazier, triathlete, vegan.
Chad Ochocinco, NFL athlete, vegetarian.
This tofu is delicious.
This exactly!!! And WWE World Champion Daniel Bryan, and MMA fighter Jake Shields, who I believe has recently taken up a full vegan diet!
^^ lovely points.
I have been vegetarian for over ten years and haven't had any medical problems whatsoever.
Unless I have already died from the dangers of long term vegetarianism......................and didn't know it................................. bahaha
Very healthy vegetarians, and easy on the eyes.0 -
I'm a vegetarian.. and I'm happy XD0
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If you are HERE on this site, you are more than likely want to lose weight. Some need to lose more than others. If you need to lose a considerable amount and you are vegan, you certainly have some possible health issues. Excess fat isn't healthy. Not for a vegan or a meat eater.0
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Yes humans are animals, but the problem here is that we have moved far away from the hunting/gathering and toward a cruel system that exploits and tortures animals for human gain. I am veg myself, but I'm not against hunting/fishing. If you do want to eat meat then go get it yourself, don't go eating your factory farmed burgers. Any well-educated person cannot argue the fact that eating veg is better for the animals, the environment, and the self. And I'm not even going to comment about how you state that our agriculture system couldn't handle it if we all went vegan. How stupid is that to say? North america is in a crisis of heart disease and obesity which can be cured if people would just eat their veggies and cut out the meat/dairy.0
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If you are HERE on this site, you are more than likely want to lose weight. Some need to lose more than others. If you need to lose a considerable amount and you are vegan, you certainly have some possible health issues. Excess fat isn't healthy. Not for a vegan or a meat eater.
Yeah excess fat isn't healthy. I agree.
So you're saying that we NEED to HAVE meat to lose weight healthily?0 -
That's because they hadn't invented agriculture yet.Cavemen went to ALOT of time, effort and considable RISK to hunt down red meat for the tribe.0 -
Any lifestyle is good if you do it right. I don't consider veganism as being a diet or a fad of sorts. Now if you mean diet as far as what you eat within your lifestyle then yes it's a diet in that sense. I've been vegan for twelve years, aside from the reasoning of seeing how the animals are murdered and how I personally did not want to contribute to the horrors of that and the factory farms and *kitten* who killed the animals, this is why I went vegan. I felt better and I could care less about what people think is right and wrong for others. It works for me and I've found a solid balance personally.
Now if anyone wants to add me and connect for vegan recipes, support, friendships, etc feel free to add me!0 -
If you are HERE on this site, you are more than likely want to lose weight. Some need to lose more than others. If you need to lose a considerable amount and you are vegan, you certainly have some possible health issues. Excess fat isn't healthy. Not for a vegan or a meat eater.
I gained all my excess weight while I was eating meat during my childhood and teens. As everyone knows, adipose hyperplasia of childhood is notoriously difficult to control, so like most people here, I am working on improving my fitness and health. Your point?0 -
That's because they hadn't invented agriculture yet.Cavemen went to ALOT of time, effort and considable RISK to hunt down red meat for the tribe.
That's when people started getting fat0 -
If you are HERE on this site, you are more than likely want to lose weight. Some need to lose more than others. If you need to lose a considerable amount and you are vegan, you certainly have some possible health issues. Excess fat isn't healthy. Not for a vegan or a meat eater.
Just because you are vegan does not mean you're immune to gaining weight. For example i love chickpeas. I could just keep eating them and eating them and they will make me gain weight. However if you look at the stats, vegans/vegetarians have considerable lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and have longer lifespans than people that eat meat/dairy.0 -
Someone should make this movie.
I think it's ignorance and poor upbringing that leads most Americans to blindly eat burgers made of questionable meat by-product served by a scary clown man.
so now people that eat meat are ignorant and have a poor upbringing............I am loving this topic!!! Good thing you guys care so much for the poor little animals, and think so little of your fellow man..........
Have you every seen a cow rape and pillage and torture other pigs then burn a village to the ground?
I don't actually agree with most of your comments (nothing personal) - but that last comment definately had me laughing!!0 -
If you are HERE on this site, you are more than likely want to lose weight. Some need to lose more than others. If you need to lose a considerable amount and you are vegan, you certainly have some possible health issues. Excess fat isn't healthy. Not for a vegan or a meat eater.
I gained all my excess weight eating meat during my childhood and teens. As everyone knows, adipose hyperplasia of childhood is notoriously difficult to control, so like most people here, I am working on improving my fitness and health. Your point?
I ate plenty of meat growing up and have none of thoe problems. I need ot lose weight because of the plant based foods I eat, not the red meat. What is YOUR point?0 -
That's because they hadn't invented agriculture yet.Cavemen went to ALOT of time, effort and considable RISK to hunt down red meat for the tribe.
That's when people started getting fat
Not even sure this is true, but probably more a factor of abundant food being available.0
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