Dangers of Vegetarian & Vegan Diets Long-Term
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i'm being "incredibly ignorant" by saying i've never seen a starving child? here, let me quote myself: "i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself."
personally, i don't know any starving children. i have never seen a starving child. i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself. most of the children i see are obese or overweight, more often than not.As for animal rights: Seriously? Why don't we start with starving children and make our way from there.
you are incredibly ignorant. while many children are overweight, many are not. many children go to sleep hungry every night.
http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/hunger-and-poverty-statistics.aspx
the fact that i've never seen a starving child doesn't make me ignorant. if anything, it would make me not worldly. which i don't claim to be.
You aren't going to SEE a starving child. It won't be evident in the way they act or look. The fact of the matter is it stunts their capacity to grow and learn and it is a serious problem.
I'm not going to even get started on your comment about slaves being the same as animals. The fact of the matter is you keep posting comments that are irrelevant to topic of vegetarians and vegans. Do yourself a favor, and leave.0 -
maybe it won't be evident that a child is starving. but the fact that he or she is 50 pounds overweight is probably a good indicator that he or she is not.
i'm being "incredibly ignorant" by saying i've never seen a starving child? here, let me quote myself: "i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself."
personally, i don't know any starving children. i have never seen a starving child. i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself. most of the children i see are obese or overweight, more often than not.As for animal rights: Seriously? Why don't we start with starving children and make our way from there.
you are incredibly ignorant. while many children are overweight, many are not. many children go to sleep hungry every night.
http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/hunger-and-poverty-statistics.aspx
the fact that i've never seen a starving child doesn't make me ignorant. if anything, it would make me not worldly. which i don't claim to be.
You aren't going to SEE a starving child. It won't be evident in the way they act or look. The fact of the matter is it stunts their capacity to grow and learn and it is a serious problem.
I'm not going to even get started on your comment about slaves being the same as animals. Do yourself a favor, and leave.
as i said before, i don't know much about starving children, so i try to avoid discussing the topic. i'm done discussing the topic.0 -
meh... we've all heard these lame excuses that don't make any sense...0 -
i'm being "incredibly ignorant" by saying i've never seen a starving child? here, let me quote myself: "i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself."
personally, i don't know any starving children. i have never seen a starving child. i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself. most of the children i see are obese or overweight, more often than not.As for animal rights: Seriously? Why don't we start with starving children and make our way from there.
you are incredibly ignorant. while many children are overweight, many are not. many children go to sleep hungry every night.
http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/hunger-and-poverty-statistics.aspx
the fact that i've never seen a starving child doesn't make me ignorant. if anything, it would make me not worldly. which i don't claim to be.
Have you not seen a starving child on television, on the news, ads for sponsorship of starving child? That counts as seeing a starving child.0 -
I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.0
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I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.
I agree... I do as much as I can to help humans and animals. Equal love and compassion for all.0 -
I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.
Yes, that's well said.
I do care where my meat comes from but I don't see anything wrong in slaughtering to eat meat. I don't feel its wrong whereas others do.0 -
I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.
Agreed.0 -
maybe it won't be evident that a child is starving. but the fact that he or she is 50 pounds overweight is probably a good indicator that he or she is not.
i'm being "incredibly ignorant" by saying i've never seen a starving child? here, let me quote myself: "i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself."
personally, i don't know any starving children. i have never seen a starving child. i'm not denying that it's an actual problem, but i've never seen it myself. most of the children i see are obese or overweight, more often than not.As for animal rights: Seriously? Why don't we start with starving children and make our way from there.
you are incredibly ignorant. while many children are overweight, many are not. many children go to sleep hungry every night.
http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/hunger-and-poverty-statistics.aspx
the fact that i've never seen a starving child doesn't make me ignorant. if anything, it would make me not worldly. which i don't claim to be.
You aren't going to SEE a starving child. It won't be evident in the way they act or look. The fact of the matter is it stunts their capacity to grow and learn and it is a serious problem.
I'm not going to even get started on your comment about slaves being the same as animals. Do yourself a favor, and leave.
as i said before, i don't know much about starving children, so i try to avoid discussing the topic. i'm done discussing the topic.
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I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.
Completely agree. But don't you think there are priorities?0 -
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I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.
Completely agree. But don't you think there are priorities?
There are hundreds of charitable organizations and ways to be involved. Why not let people decide where they feel they can do the most good? We can't be equally aware and educated about all the good works in the world. I say, pitch in whenever and wherever you can.0 -
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Wow this thread is flat out ridiculous.
How we have jumped the shark from a diet choice to starving children and slaves i dont know!
I have been a veg for 20 years. But if my, my husbands, or my childrens (if I had any) lives were in jeopardy due to starvation i can guarantee you that i would do what ever neccessary to sustain our lives. But luckily I dont have to make that choice daily. I live in a country and have enough income and knowledge ( of my nutritional needs) that i can feed myself without taking the life of another living being. I feel blessed to have that luxury.
Contrary to many other vegs/vegans I commend those that hunt/slaughter their own meat food sources. I know that I dont have the courage to do it. I grew up in rural western Tennessee and back twenty five years ago if you didn't grow it, you didnt eat it. My granny had chickens year round and a yearly hog killing. That pig that they spent years feeding and housing provided a years worth of substainance to the family. But they were grateful for it and its life had greater meaning because of what it delivered after death. Ithink that if more people had that experience they would view the luxury of eating meat 3 times a day much more seriously.
All in all its a dietary choice on both "sides". Those in both camps get the heck over themselves and stop trying to one up the other.0 -
I disagree with this..I am a vegetarian and I have never felt better in all my life..
Yes, ma'am!0 -
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I see all efforts to promote a kind and compassionate world as valuable. Caring about animals doesn't mean you are indifferent to the concerns of humankind. You can care about and help both.
Completely agree. But don't you think there are priorities?
There are hundreds of charitable organizations and ways to be involved. Why not let people decide where they feel they can do the most good? We can't be equally aware and educated about all the good works in the world. I say, pitch in whenever and wherever you can.
Fair enough!
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I worked for three care homes in the past and never met an old person who is a vegetarian or vegan. i have never met a veg who have reached 80 years old. if you are pure vegan, expect your body to become vegetated when you get old.. after all-- you are what you eat.0
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Vit D - synthesized in the body from sunlight.
Vit A - synthesized in the body from carotenoids, found in fruits and vegetables.
The only known long term risk from eating vegetarian and vegan are deficiencies in B12 and iron, both easily supplemented. There are, however, many benefits.
Well said.....I am vegetarian and proud of it! No animals were harmed for my greed!0 -
I worked for three care homes in the past and never met an old person who is a vegetarian or vegan. i have never met a veg who have reached 80 years old. if you are pure vegan, expect your body to become vegetated when you get old.. after all-- you are what you eat.
Vegetarianism gained popularity in the '60's and '70's among young people, so you are talking about a demographic where most vegetarians are under the age of 70. Also, it's my personal hope that the reason you don't have any vegetarians in 'care homes' is because they are in their own homes planning their next marathons. 0 -
would you have said that to me if i wasn't white?Look, I can understand that you've obviously lived an incredibly sheltered life, but If you can't see how bringing up slavery is ignorant and offensive, then I have nothing to say.
Do animals have rights? If they can survive by themselves, then they have the right to live until they die or are killed. If they require human intervention to survive, then they have the right to live as long as humans intervene to keep them that way.
I got an idea, why don't you walk right up to a black person, and tell them that animals are just as much slaves as their ancestors were. See how much they appreciate that sentiment.
i never said anything about black slaves. there were jewish slaves. there were roman slaves. there were greek slaves. there are south asian slaves. there are sex slaves. there are debt slaves. i never said anything about race or even what kind of slaves. i simply said slaves.
Ok, so go find a Greek, or Jew, or Roman, or Armenian, or any other rationalization you want to throw out there and go tell them that an animal is just as much a slave as their ancestors. Or go find a mother whose child was kidnapped and sold to another country as a sex slave, and tell her an animal is a slave just like her child is.
You can justify and rationalize all you like, it just makes what you said even more insensitive, ignorant, and offensive, not less.0 -
I'm an omnivore. I tried vegetarian. I tried vegan. My iron levels were already low before I tried these. They dropped even lower when I switched out. My doctor's demanded I add meat back in before I did anymore damage. And I got better right away. I seriously don't get enough iron from alternatives unless I take a supplement. I would rather not take a pill. Omnivore for me.
That being said...
...the vast majority of my friends are vegetarian and vegan. We don't care what the other one eats, all that matters is a) is it delicious and b) is there a way to modify it to suit my/his/her way of life. We all end up dying anyway: why do it by attacking someone else's lifestyle?
(Vegan cupcakes/quiche/cheesecake are awesome btw. XD)0 -
meh... we've all heard these lame excuses that don't make any sense...
...Wow... People actually say these??? -.-0 -
I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 18 years. I'm healthy as a horse. I'm just a bit overweight from my love of cheese and pasta.
I used to be sick all the time when I was younger and ate meat. After I dropped meat altogether, I stopped getting sick. Now I rarely get sick while everyone around me catches every cold and flu that comes down the pike. It's a great side benefit of my lifestyle choice. Down the road, when my omnivore peers are getting colon, prostate and other cancers I'll be enjoying the lower risk of these ailments that comes with my diet.
Edit: I forgot to mention. I'd love to go completely vegan. However, I don't think I could sustain it due to my reliance on dairy and eggs for protein and variety in my diet. Maybe someday I'll give it a go.0 -
brendan brazier, vegan professional triathlete 
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...and MMA fighter Jake Shields, who I believe has recently taken up a full vegan diet!
True, but he has also started sucking something fierce. *tongue in cheek*0 -
brendan brazier, vegan professional triathlete
AMEN. XD0 -
would you have said that to me if i wasn't white?Look, I can understand that you've obviously lived an incredibly sheltered life, but If you can't see how bringing up slavery is ignorant and offensive, then I have nothing to say.
Do animals have rights? If they can survive by themselves, then they have the right to live until they die or are killed. If they require human intervention to survive, then they have the right to live as long as humans intervene to keep them that way.
I got an idea, why don't you walk right up to a black person, and tell them that animals are just as much slaves as their ancestors were. See how much they appreciate that sentiment.
i never said anything about black slaves. there were jewish slaves. there were roman slaves. there were greek slaves. there are south asian slaves. there are sex slaves. there are debt slaves. i never said anything about race or even what kind of slaves. i simply said slaves.
Ok, so go find a Greek, or Jew, or Roman, or Armenian, or any other rationalization you want to throw out there and go tell them that an animal is just as much a slave as their ancestors. Or go find a mother whose child was kidnapped and sold to another country as a sex slave, and tell her an animal is a slave just like her child is.
You can justify and rationalize all you like, it just makes what you said even more insensitive, ignorant, and offensive, not less.
You seem very persistent in making your point. I believe at this point, you may be arguing with yourself. I read the thread, and I think you probably yelled 'busted' to yourself when she took the bait. Insensitive? Ignorant? Offensive? Hmmmmmm....0 -
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