"Spike Day" Nonsense
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The concept of the benefits of a “Spike Day” centers around the notion that leptin is a key hormone in bodyweight regulation, and that leptin decreases in response to dieting, which causes our weight loss to slow down. Thus, by having a day of overfeeding, the thinking goes, we can bring leptin back up to baseline, thereby “side stepping” the decrease in leptin that hinders our fat loss efforts.
The problem with this logic is that it misses a key part of the puzzle. First, a little background.
Without getting too technical here, Leptin is the hormone that is in charge of bodyweight regulation. When calories go up, stored bodyfat goes up, Leptin goes up. The result is you feel less hungry, metabolism goes up, etc. Essentially leptin tells the body that it is “well fed.” (So why do people get obese? Chronically elevated leptin = leptin resistance = leptin can’t do it’s job. Sucks, huh?) When calories go down, leptin drops, and you feel more hungry, and you want to eat more, metabolic slow down, etc. Basically, what’s going on here is that your body “fights against” weight loss, and one of the tools that’s used is leptin. (we all wish it fought just as hard against weight gain).
^^^Again, keep in mind, this is terribly oversimplified for the purposes of background info^^^
So then, along comes the Spike Day. By overfeeding once per week, they claim, you raise leptin, so you’re not dealing with the metabolic slowdown and other things that come along with a drop in leptin. Not so fast.
As I mentioned earlier, this is missing a key part of the puzzle. *Drum roll* Leptin basically rises and falls as soon as calories go up and down. The research has shown that it only takes about 24 hours for leptin to response to a calorie deficit or surplus:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/8/2685.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8866554
What I’m saying here is that the Spike Diet has it only half right. Leptin does increase and decrease in response to calorie intake, but it responds rapidly. So raising it for 24 hours won’t do squat. As soon as your reefed is over, it goes right back down to where it was.
I do believe that a “cheat day” has other benefits, however, for most folks, the benefits are purely psychological. I’m not diminishing the importance of psychological tolerance of a diet, I’m simply saying that physiological arguments for the Spike Day don’t hold water; if you want to do a Spike Day because you enjoy it and it “works for you,” by all means, have at it.
One final note on Leptin. What I wrote above may beg the question “so how does anybody lose weight?” Or, you might say “see, I told you starvation mode was real!” When I talk about your body fighting against weight loss, you body can only fight so hard. You can always overcome it by eating a little less/moving a little more when weight loss slows.
Finally, like a Baptist Preacher, I’m going to conclude for a third time. There is something to the notion of taking break from your diet to regulate metabolism, etc. This is best accomplished by a week (or two) long “diet break” where calories are raised to maintenance level.
The problem with this logic is that it misses a key part of the puzzle. First, a little background.
Without getting too technical here, Leptin is the hormone that is in charge of bodyweight regulation. When calories go up, stored bodyfat goes up, Leptin goes up. The result is you feel less hungry, metabolism goes up, etc. Essentially leptin tells the body that it is “well fed.” (So why do people get obese? Chronically elevated leptin = leptin resistance = leptin can’t do it’s job. Sucks, huh?) When calories go down, leptin drops, and you feel more hungry, and you want to eat more, metabolic slow down, etc. Basically, what’s going on here is that your body “fights against” weight loss, and one of the tools that’s used is leptin. (we all wish it fought just as hard against weight gain).
^^^Again, keep in mind, this is terribly oversimplified for the purposes of background info^^^
So then, along comes the Spike Day. By overfeeding once per week, they claim, you raise leptin, so you’re not dealing with the metabolic slowdown and other things that come along with a drop in leptin. Not so fast.
As I mentioned earlier, this is missing a key part of the puzzle. *Drum roll* Leptin basically rises and falls as soon as calories go up and down. The research has shown that it only takes about 24 hours for leptin to response to a calorie deficit or surplus:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/8/2685.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8866554
What I’m saying here is that the Spike Diet has it only half right. Leptin does increase and decrease in response to calorie intake, but it responds rapidly. So raising it for 24 hours won’t do squat. As soon as your reefed is over, it goes right back down to where it was.
I do believe that a “cheat day” has other benefits, however, for most folks, the benefits are purely psychological. I’m not diminishing the importance of psychological tolerance of a diet, I’m simply saying that physiological arguments for the Spike Day don’t hold water; if you want to do a Spike Day because you enjoy it and it “works for you,” by all means, have at it.
One final note on Leptin. What I wrote above may beg the question “so how does anybody lose weight?” Or, you might say “see, I told you starvation mode was real!” When I talk about your body fighting against weight loss, you body can only fight so hard. You can always overcome it by eating a little less/moving a little more when weight loss slows.
Finally, like a Baptist Preacher, I’m going to conclude for a third time. There is something to the notion of taking break from your diet to regulate metabolism, etc. This is best accomplished by a week (or two) long “diet break” where calories are raised to maintenance level.
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Just in case you all didn't realize this, the OP is brilliant.
Plus, look at his pics - he clearly knows what works.0 -
Love it. Thank you. This is why I send as much time in maintenance as I do at a deficit.0
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Spectacular post!0
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It is always nice to read a post that is actually full of fact and truth backed my science, than a bunch of BS. So thank you for that0
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Bump for later.0
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You are awesome! Also, for those interested in some more info:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html0 -
Agreed. I just use a cheat day for the other benefits. =D0
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You are awesome! Also, for those interested in some more info:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html
^^^ Thanks. For those who want know more about Leptin, there's a series of articles on that website that goes into more detail they you'll ever need.0 -
Bump for later! Definitely need to read up more on this.0
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makes total sense. cheat and spike days are more psychological than anything. i think anyone answering the question honestly would tell you that from experience. happy moderation seems to be the key for me - again even this is psychological, having just enough of something to satisfy my desire.0
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Thank you for taking the time to post this.0
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Great explanation!!! And can I just say my favorite part was "and like a baptist preacher I will conclude for the third time" so brilliantly put!0
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BUMP0
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Thanks for the info. It never occurred to go into maintenance for a week to keep metabolism burning. How often would one do this?0
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WIN!0
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Thanks for the info. It never occurred to go into maintenance for a week to keep metabolism burning. How often would one do this?
I believe Lyle mentions a 2 week break every 8-12 weeks, depending on a variety of factors. How your workouts are doing, how you are physcially feeling etc.0 -
great post!0
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Great explanation!!! And can I just say my favorite part was "and like a baptist preacher I will conclude for the third time" so brilliantly put!
LOL, glad somebody caught that, my efforts were not in vain.0 -
Thanks for the info. It never occurred to go into maintenance for a week to keep metabolism burning. How often would one do this?
I believe Lyle mentions a 2 week break every 8-12 weeks, depending on a variety of factors. How your workouts are doing, how you are physcially feeling etc.
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Hehehe; I just use cheat days because I happen to really "need" to go out for all-you-can-eat sushi now and then!0
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Plus, look at his pics - he clearly knows what works.0
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Hehehe; I just use cheat days because I happen to really "need" to go out for all-you-can-eat sushi now and then!
This is pretty much how I use them. Some days I must eat ALL the food.0 -
The concept of the benefits of a “Spike Day” centers around the notion that leptin is a key hormone in bodyweight regulation, and that leptin decreases in response to dieting, which causes our weight loss to slow down. Thus, by having a day of overfeeding, the thinking goes, we can bring leptin back up to baseline, thereby “side stepping” the decrease in leptin that hinders our fat loss efforts.
The problem with this logic is that it misses a key part of the puzzle. First, a little background.
Without getting too technical here, Leptin is the hormone that is in charge of bodyweight regulation. When calories go up, stored bodyfat goes up, Leptin goes up. The result is you feel less hungry, metabolism goes up, etc. Essentially leptin tells the body that it is “well fed.” (So why do people get obese? Chronically elevated leptin = leptin resistance = leptin can’t do it’s job. Sucks, huh?) When calories go down, leptin drops, and you feel more hungry, and you want to eat more, metabolic slow down, etc. Basically, what’s going on here is that your body “fights against” weight loss, and one of the tools that’s used is leptin. (we all wish it fought just as hard against weight gain).
^^^Again, keep in mind, this is terribly oversimplified for the purposes of background info^^^
So then, along comes the Spike Day. By overfeeding once per week, they claim, you raise leptin, so you’re not dealing with the metabolic slowdown and other things that come along with a drop in leptin. Not so fast.
As I mentioned earlier, this is missing a key part of the puzzle. *Drum roll* Leptin basically rises and falls as soon as calories go up and down. The research has shown that it only takes about 24 hours for leptin to response to a calorie deficit or surplus:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/8/2685.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8866554
What I’m saying here is that the Spike Diet has it only half right. Leptin does increase and decrease in response to calorie intake, but it responds rapidly. So raising it for 24 hours won’t do squat. As soon as your reefed is over, it goes right back down to where it was.
I do believe that a “cheat day” has other benefits, however, for most folks, the benefits are purely psychological. I’m not diminishing the importance of psychological tolerance of a diet, I’m simply saying that physiological arguments for the Spike Day don’t hold water; if you want to do a Spike Day because you enjoy it and it “works for you,” by all means, have at it.
One final note on Leptin. What I wrote above may beg the question “so how does anybody lose weight?” Or, you might say “see, I told you starvation mode was real!” When I talk about your body fighting against weight loss, you body can only fight so hard. You can always overcome it by eating a little less/moving a little more when weight loss slows.
Finally, like a Baptist Preacher, I’m going to conclude for a third time. There is something to the notion of taking break from your diet to regulate metabolism, etc. This is best accomplished by a week (or two) long “diet break” where calories are raised to maintenance level.
http://broscience.com/broscience-com-approved-articles/1305-s-all-about-leptin-bro-amirite.html0 -
Hehehe; I just use cheat days because I happen to really "need" to go out for all-you-can-eat sushi now and then!
This is pretty much how I use them. Some days I must eat ALL the food.
^^THIS. And other days I'm hardly hungry, ever.
Love me some sound science and some well-worded posts up in here. Preach it!0 -
Excellent post.
Here is Lyle's series on Leptin that you mentioned briefly, in case anyone wants to read it:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-2.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-3.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-4.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-5.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-6.html0 -
Very interesting, thanks - bump!0
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Great information, thank you!0
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Yep, I really only use spike days for furthering my endurance training, I don't call it a cheat day but a refeed usually because my activity level will be so high for the days before/after it. But cheat days for the mental aspect are kinda pointless, we should just have treats that fit our macros regularly unless carb cycling in which case then we just wait for that magical day...0
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Sooooo
I was stuck at a 184 for some time. I then added a surplus of cals every sunday to my weekly regimens.
I then began to lose at a steady pace of 1 lb per week.
Are you saying that when I did this it was like taking a 2 week break of maintanence?0 -
Excellent post.
Here is Lyle's series on Leptin that you mentioned briefly, in case anyone wants to read it:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-2.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-3.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-4.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-5.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-6.html
These are good. I read these0
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