Views on America

boomboom011

with regard to the people that think our constitution is stupid, well im pretty sure what I have to say will get this thread locked.

Our constitution limits the powers of our government, forces it to recognize and protect our God ordained rights, and gives everybody more freedom than ever in history. Anybody against that has an agenda for power and control, a desire to have someone else footing their bills, or is just completely ignorant of what our Constitution represents. I'm going to go ahead and say it and I'm not sorry for doing it either so if your feelings are disturbed take it out on yourself cause I'm standing on my rights of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness (PROPERTY FROM MY EARNINGS).
Yes, I've met a lot of people that are said to be smart, but wisdom escapes them excessively. Yeah, and that's Biblical too.

Want to prove me wrong? Then show me what you know about it, chances are you can't and that's because you don't know it. I suggest you begin to educate yourself with the Constitution before you decide to put it under your foot (like terrorist Bill Ayers, Obama's friend, is pictured on Time magazine in a dirty alley standing on our flag), It's call good judgement, another thing that is lacking around here too.

macpatti

All I want is for those janitors and everyone else who does unskilled labor to have a decent quality of life and to be valued as human beings despite either being unwilling or unable to aspire to higher education.

Who looks down on janitors? Who believes the unskilled or uneducated do not deserve a decent quality of life and to be valued as human beings???? That's not the America I know. Certainly no one I've ever met feels that way.

cannonsky

Wow... just skimming the current pages there are so many misconceptions that I don't even know where to start... *sigh* and health care CAN be affordable if one learns how to navigate the system.

Exactly. People confuse halthcare with insurance.
Insurance is what I have incase I need to go to the
ER. Healtcare is what I receive when I give my DR
$60. ($100 for a full Physical) Healthcare is quite
affordable when you eliminate the middle man.
That, and our health savings account (pretaxed)
we do just fine.

Heck, I had to have out patient surgery done on
my face, and it was $400 cash. I paid $100 that
day, and $100 per month. In 3 months it was
paid off. (that included the biopsy)

The only people that come between and my
doctor, are the people they have working at
the front desk, and the RN.

And that's the way it should be. No insurance companies, no government involvement.

Anyone that's been in the military or worked for the US government can tell you that government mandated healthcare will be a total and complete flaming train wreck.

government run healthcare seems to work for other countries... but we would manage to screw it up (ie- military/ us government workers)

But it doesn't actually work for other countries well. The standard of care is something in the toilet compared to US medicine. Trust me I know, I spent time in a hospital in Germany. They are butchers, they don't care about patients, and it shows. It's a nice idea, but it's not practical nor sustainable at the level that we are accustomed to in this country.

Just wait until you are on a waiting list for simple routine procedures for months and see how that goes.

why put words in my mouth? I never said I was for government run healthcare. I really don't think there's any winning no matter what way we go. Something will always find something to complain about... it is America after all

fbmandy55

Wow... just skimming the current pages there are so many misconceptions that I don't even know where to start... *sigh* and health care CAN be affordable if one learns how to navigate the system.

Exactly. People confuse halthcare with insurance.
Insurance is what I have incase I need to go to the
ER. Healtcare is what I receive when I give my DR
$60. ($100 for a full Physical) Healthcare is quite
affordable when you eliminate the middle man.
That, and our health savings account (pretaxed)
we do just fine.

Heck, I had to have out patient surgery done on
my face, and it was $400 cash. I paid $100 that
day, and $100 per month. In 3 months it was
paid off. (that included the biopsy)

The only people that come between and my
doctor, are the people they have working at
the front desk, and the RN.

And that's the way it should be. No insurance companies, no government involvement.

Anyone that's been in the military or worked for the US government can tell you that government mandated healthcare will be a total and complete flaming train wreck.

government run healthcare seems to work for other countries... but we would manage to screw it up (ie- military/ us government workers)

Yes, but those other countries pay considerably higher taxes than we do. This bill will cost billions in just the next ten years...and WE will be paying for it.

I dislike the argument that healthcare should be a basic human right. Should food then be free? Housing? We need both to survive so when does that argument begin. Who is going to pay for those things?

Marll

Yes I can definitely attest to this. My husband was in the military for 3 years as an infantry solider. It's amazing what they think ibuprofen can cure. Also he's been out for over 3 years and still waiting on the VA to finish processing his paperwork.

Our military has been extremely effective when it comes to achieving the goals our politicians have set for it. It's not that they are incapable of providing proper healthcare to all soldiers and their families, it's simply that it isn't important to them to do so. You are confusing unwillingness with inability.

When and where did you serve?

From personal experience as a child growing up in the military and serving on my own, I can tell you that there is not an unwillingness to provide those services, they are just very bad at it. They are not held to the same standards of care, and you cannot sue them for maiming or hurting you.

cannonsky

with regard to the people that think our constitution is stupid, well im pretty sure what I have to say will get this thread locked.

Our constitution limits the powers of our government, forces it to recognize and protect our God ordained rights, and gives everybody more freedom than ever in history. Anybody against that has an agenda for power and control, a desire to have someone else footing their bills, or is just completely ignorant of what our Constitution represents. I'm going to go ahead and say it and I'm not sorry for doing it either so if your feelings are disturbed take it out on yourself cause I'm standing on my rights of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness (PROPERTY FROM MY EARNINGS).
Yes, I've met a lot of people that are said to be smart, but wisdom escapes them excessively. Yeah, and that's Biblical too.

Want to prove me wrong? Then show me what you know about it, chances are you can't and that's because you don't know it. I suggest you begin to educate yourself with the Constitution before you decide to put it under your foot (like terrorist Bill Ayers, Obama's friend, is pictured on Time magazine in a dirty alley standing on our flag), It's call good judgement, another thing that is lacking around here too.

Who on here said the constitution was stupid? I don't recall anyone saying that.

robot_potato

Extremist. That's how the united states are viewed. In everything that is seen and heard about americans here, there are no social/cultural norms. Everything is either very sexualised, or very prudish. Very wealthy or suprisingly poor. The entire culture is viewed as terribly over-indulgent and having an every-man-for-himself mentality. I have been to your country and i know that there are many normal people who live the same as i do and have a good head on their shoulders, but as whole it is not represented as such.

I don't have much room to speak though, everyone thinks i live in an igloo and say 'eh' a lot.

Make sure not to come to the USA on vacation.

...or you could read the whole paragraph. Have been there, and enjoyed it. I said i know these things to be untrue, but that this is how your country is represented by media.

Onesnap

It's only a matter of time before this topic gets locked again. Waiting...waiting...waiting....

It wasn't locked because of content. It had reached its maximum 500 posts, so a new one had to be started.

Wrong.

It was locked because we're not supposed to talk about politics on here.

A moderator squealed.

MaraDiaz

All I want is for those janitors and everyone else who does unskilled labor to have a decent quality of life and to be valued as human beings despite either being unwilling or unable to aspire to higher education.

Who looks down on janitors? Who believes the unskilled or uneducated do not deserve a decent quality of life and to be valued as human beings???? That's not the America I know. Certainly no one I've ever met feels that way.

It is the America I see every day. The working poor are often are forced to apply for aid because they don't earn enough to feed their children despite working full time. The working poor are often out of work because American jobs keep getting sent overseas by corporations intent on getting the most profit by chasing lower wages and less worker rights. The working poor have the worst insurance, either their job offers them none, or their job only offers low quality insurance that won't really cover their healthcare needs. The working poor are often hired in 'part time' jobs of 30-35 hours/wk so that companies don't have to provide any benefits at all.

And then when those workers complain, people say, go to college, get a degree. But if they did, there wouldn't be enough jobs to go around anyway, and then there wouldn't be anyone to do necessary but low skill jobs.

Onesnap

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macpatti

It is the America I see every day. The working poor are often are forced to apply for aid because they don't earn enough to feed their children despite working full time. The working poor are often out of work because American jobs keep getting sent overseas by corporations intent on getting the most profit by chasing lower wages and less worker rights. The working poor have the worst insurance, either their job offers them none, or their job only offers low quality insurance that won't really cover their healthcare needs. The working poor are often hired in 'part time' jobs of 30-35 hours/wk so that companies don't have to provide any benefits at all.
And then when those workers complain, people say, go to college, get a degree. But if they did, there wouldn't be enough jobs to go around anyway, and then there wouldn't be anyone to do necessary but low skill jobs.

You and I see America in a very different way. What you do for a living does not define who you are as a person.

Onesnap

I think viewing 'Sicko' should be required viewing before anyone comments on the state of US healthcare.

Oh, that and 'Capitalism: A Love Story" before anyone comments on the global economy. If you don't know what a Dead Pheasants Insurance Policy is you really need to learn.

MaraDiaz

You and I see America in a very different way. What you do for a living does not define who you are as a person.

What you do for a living defines how much society values you, including your life. Statistically, the working poor die younger and have poorer health than the wealthy for a number of reasons. Many of those reasons are tied directly to income.

ki4yxo

6 year anniversary of universal healthcare in Massachusetts.

There's the good, the bad, and the ugly. The good is that for the past 6 years my friends with small businesses can *finally* afford health insurance for their employees. The rest of the US can learn a thing or two from us here in MA.

The bad, and the ugly.

http://www.necn.com/08/10/10/Mass-man-sues-over-health-insurance-law/landing_business.html?blockID=287568&feedID=4209

From JeepForum.

Onesnap

You and I see America in a very different way. What you do for a living does not define who you are as a person.

What you do for a living defines how much society values you, including your life. Statistically, the working poor die younger and have poorer health than the wealthy for a number of reasons. Many of those reasons are tied directly to income.

See my comment on a Dead Pheasants insurance policy. That's when a company cashes in when you die. It's real and no one ever talks about it.

Onesnap

6 year anniversary of universal healthcare in Massachusetts.

There's the good, the bad, and the ugly. The good is that for the past 6 years my friends with small businesses can *finally* afford health insurance for their employees. The rest of the US can learn a thing or two from us here in MA.

The bad, and the ugly.

http://www.necn.com/08/10/10/Mass-man-sues-over-health-insurance-law/landing_business.html?blockID=287568&feedID=4209

From JeepForum.

I only like you because you posted something from a Jeep forum.

It's not perfect here in MA but I'll take it. I'd rather not be bankrupt from medical bills.

MaraDiaz

I think viewing 'Sicko' should be required viewing before anyone comments on the state of US healthcare.

Oh, that and 'Capitalism: A Love Story" before anyone comments on the global economy. If you don't know what a Dead Pheasants Insurance Policy is you really need to learn.

Indeed. A despicable practice.

Here is a very neutral description of the Dead Peasants Life Insurance Policy:

http://deadpeasantinsurance.com/

katielauren2001

You and I see America in a very different way. What you do for a living does not define who you are as a person.

What you do for a living defines how much society values you, including your life. Statistically, the working poor die younger and have poorer health than the wealthy for a number of reasons. Many of those reasons are tied directly to income.

In agreement with you on all most all of your posts. Class affects every aspect of your life. Completely.

Onesnap

I think viewing 'Sicko' should be required viewing before anyone comments on the state of US healthcare.

Oh, that and 'Capitalism: A Love Story" before anyone comments on the global economy. If you don't know what a Dead Pheasants Insurance Policy is you really need to learn.

Indeed. A despicable practice.

Here is a very neutral description of the Dead Peasants Life Insurance Policy:

http://deadpeasantinsurance.com/

Thank you, I knew there was a link!

Onesnap

You and I see America in a very different way. What you do for a living does not define who you are as a person.

What you do for a living defines how much society values you, including your life. Statistically, the working poor die younger and have poorer health than the wealthy for a number of reasons. Many of those reasons are tied directly to income.

In agreement with you on all most all of your posts. Class affects every aspect of your life. Completely.

The good news is you can pull yourself out of a particular class. Ask anyone who was the first in their family to go to College (my Mom). Or someone that worked 50 years, 6 days a week for a family business (my grandparents). The American dream exists in some families. I'm lucky to be part of a family that it's real for.