Breakfast - a waste of calories?
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How about you don't eat breakfast then. Problem solved!
If you are referring to my original post - I wasn't asking for advice on whether I should eat breakfast. I was more looking for what peoples thoughts/feelings were toward eating breakfast. I am interested in hearing reasons why people do or don't eat breakfast. I sometimes eat breakfast and sometimes not, depending on if I'm hungry.0 -
main point is that you are buying into marketing ploys and gimmicks that are created for those who lack the atribute of doing things in moderation... agreed that nutrient and caloric timing is irrelevant for healthy weight loss but to claim that intermittant fasting is somehow superior is bogus.
that is what the supplement and fitness industry is having you to pick sides either "eat 6 meals a day to speed your metabolism" or "do intermittant fasting because you have a hormonal advantage for fat loss" both claims are right and wrong at the same time but in the end it comes down to overall macros and caloric intake over a long period of time regardless.. so if it helps you sleep at night thinking you are doing the right thing by fasting or eating 6 times a day, well good for you... but in the end you are just the next sucker who bought the book "eat stop eat" " or doing "leangains" or "buying caesin protein so you dont go catabolic at night" or thinking "carbohydrates make you fat" its all a farce. there are true aspects but in the end its about the all-mighty dollar and people buying into whatever they may say.
if there is one thing that people need to do is have discipline and use moderation.. its truely the key to success
I didn't buy any books or spend any money. I just didn't eat for 24 hours, and then did it again a few days later and found it way easier than worrying about counting calories every day.
I don't think ESE is a magic bullet or anything, it's totally up to the individual and what works for them. I have read intermittent fasting may have other benefits (for health) than your traditional 3 or 6 meals a day every day.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/health-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting/ <-- check this out for example0 -
you don't need to pay for anything to be 'into' IF - as I said, for some ppl it is just a natural eating rhythm.main point is that you are buying into marketing ploys and gimmicks that are created for those who lack the atribute of doing things in moderation... agreed that nutrient and caloric timing is irrelevant for healthy weight loss but to claim that intermittant fasting is somehow superior is bogus.
that is what the supplement and fitness industry is having you to pick sides either "eat 6 meals a day to speed your metabolism" or "do intermittant fasting because you have a hormonal advantage for fat loss" both claims are right and wrong at the same time but in the end it comes down to overall macros and caloric intake over a long period of time regardless.. so if it helps you sleep at night thinking you are doing the right thing by fasting or eating 6 times a day, well good for you... but in the end you are just the next sucker who bought the book "eat stop eat" " or doing "leangains" or "buying caesin protein so you dont go catabolic at night" or thinking "carbohydrates make you fat" its all a farce. there are true aspects but in the end its about the all-mighty dollar and people buying into whatever they may say.
if there is one thing that people need to do is have discipline and use moderation.. its truely the key to success
edit - you seem to confront IF to 'moderation'. why do you see IF as something extreme?0 -
Agree with the main point above (Moderation). As far as I can tell the jury is out on IF (Intermittant Fasting) and obviously this isn't for everyone. It's also tempting to "buy" into the next new idea (which sells books). I try and keep an open mind and do what makes metabolic sense...but this requires constant reading, discussion with experts, and some degree of ability to separate out fact and fiction. Even great minds get talked into false corners. We're human. Keep an open mind..but also analyze the data...and make up your own mind.0
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main point is that you are buying into marketing ploys and gimmicks that are created for those who lack the atribute of doing things in moderation... agreed that nutrient and caloric timing is irrelevant for healthy weight loss but to claim that intermittant fasting is somehow superior is bogus.
that is what the supplement and fitness industry is having you to pick sides either "eat 6 meals a day to speed your metabolism" or "do intermittant fasting because you have a hormonal advantage for fat loss" both claims are right and wrong at the same time but in the end it comes down to overall macros and caloric intake over a long period of time regardless.. so if it helps you sleep at night thinking you are doing the right thing by fasting or eating 6 times a day, well good for you... but in the end you are just the next sucker who bought the book "eat stop eat" " or doing "leangains" or "buying caesin protein so you dont go catabolic at night" or thinking "carbohydrates make you fat" its all a farce. there are true aspects but in the end its about the all-mighty dollar and people buying into whatever they may say.
if there is one thing that people need to do is have discipline and use moderation.. its truely the key to success
What are either IF proponent I've listed selling? Books? Uhh...they give out the whole freaking process on their websites. Sure you can buy their books...but they make it where you certainly don't have to.
But I think it's funny how different this post is compared to your first posts a page ago.0 -
speak for yourselfIt's also tempting to "buy" into the next new idea (which sells books).
I'm coming from a culture where some form of IF has been practised for centuries for religious purposes. that's why I don't see it as something extreme at all.0 -
Agree with the main point above (Moderation). As far as I can tell the jury is out on IF (Intermittant Fasting) and obviously this isn't for everyone. It's also tempting to "buy" into the next new idea (which sells books). I try and keep an open mind and do what makes metabolic sense...but this requires constant reading, discussion with experts, and some degree of ability to separate out fact and fiction. Even great minds get talked into false corners. We're human. Keep an open mind..but also analyze the data...and make up your own mind.
The whole IF thing wasn't brought up as a point of its own. It was brought up because in both of those books, there are peer reviewed studies that prove the myth of having to eat multiple times a day (including breakfast), irrelevant.
That was all.0 -
main point is that you are buying into marketing ploys and gimmicks that are created for those who lack the atribute of doing things in moderation... agreed that nutrient and caloric timing is irrelevant for healthy weight loss but to claim that intermittant fasting is somehow superior is bogus.
that is what the supplement and fitness industry is having you to pick sides either "eat 6 meals a day to speed your metabolism" or "do intermittant fasting because you have a hormonal advantage for fat loss" both claims are right and wrong at the same time but in the end it comes down to overall macros and caloric intake over a long period of time regardless.. so if it helps you sleep at night thinking you are doing the right thing by fasting or eating 6 times a day, well good for you... but in the end you are just the next sucker who bought the book "eat stop eat" " or doing "leangains" or "buying caesin protein so you dont go catabolic at night" or thinking "carbohydrates make you fat" its all a farce. there are true aspects but in the end its about the all-mighty dollar and people buying into whatever they may say.
if there is one thing that people need to do is have discipline and use moderation.. its truely the key to success
What are either IF proponent I've listed selling? Books? Uhh...they give out the whole freaking process on their websites. Sure you can buy their books...but they make it where you certainly don't have to.
But I think it's funny how different this post is compared to your first posts a page ago.
keep starving urself if you want.. it seems to be working.. lol0 -
Breakfast is a waste for me, too. I usually just have coffee and a piece of fruit, if that.
But I typically have an early lunch to make up for it. I've been known to eat my lunch between 10am - 12pm.0 -
Breaktime :-) Anyone up for strength training, cardio, then dinner? LOL0
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main point is that you are buying into marketing ploys and gimmicks that are created for those who lack the atribute of doing things in moderation... agreed that nutrient and caloric timing is irrelevant for healthy weight loss but to claim that intermittant fasting is somehow superior is bogus.
that is what the supplement and fitness industry is having you to pick sides either "eat 6 meals a day to speed your metabolism" or "do intermittant fasting because you have a hormonal advantage for fat loss" both claims are right and wrong at the same time but in the end it comes down to overall macros and caloric intake over a long period of time regardless.. so if it helps you sleep at night thinking you are doing the right thing by fasting or eating 6 times a day, well good for you... but in the end you are just the next sucker who bought the book "eat stop eat" " or doing "leangains" or "buying caesin protein so you dont go catabolic at night" or thinking "carbohydrates make you fat" its all a farce. there are true aspects but in the end its about the all-mighty dollar and people buying into whatever they may say.
if there is one thing that people need to do is have discipline and use moderation.. its truely the key to success
What are either IF proponent I've listed selling? Books? Uhh...they give out the whole freaking process on their websites. Sure you can buy their books...but they make it where you certainly don't have to.
But I think it's funny how different this post is compared to your first posts a page ago.
keep starving urself if you want.. it seems to be working.. lol
Great response lol...you win on sheer..
Wait, no you don't...if I were starving myself, I wouldn't be doing it lol.0 -
Breaktime :-) Anyone up for strength training, cardio, then dinner? LOL
That's awesome lol...I'm actually headed to the gym in ten minutes =D.0 -
well why are you doing it?main point is that you are buying into marketing ploys and gimmicks that are created for those who lack the atribute of doing things in moderation... agreed that nutrient and caloric timing is irrelevant for healthy weight loss but to claim that intermittant fasting is somehow superior is bogus.
that is what the supplement and fitness industry is having you to pick sides either "eat 6 meals a day to speed your metabolism" or "do intermittant fasting because you have a hormonal advantage for fat loss" both claims are right and wrong at the same time but in the end it comes down to overall macros and caloric intake over a long period of time regardless.. so if it helps you sleep at night thinking you are doing the right thing by fasting or eating 6 times a day, well good for you... but in the end you are just the next sucker who bought the book "eat stop eat" " or doing "leangains" or "buying caesin protein so you dont go catabolic at night" or thinking "carbohydrates make you fat" its all a farce. there are true aspects but in the end its about the all-mighty dollar and people buying into whatever they may say.
if there is one thing that people need to do is have discipline and use moderation.. its truely the key to success
What are either IF proponent I've listed selling? Books? Uhh...they give out the whole freaking process on their websites. Sure you can buy their books...but they make it where you certainly don't have to.
But I think it's funny how different this post is compared to your first posts a page ago.
keep starving urself if you want.. it seems to be working.. lol
Great response lol...you win on sheer..
Wait, no you don't...if I were starving myself, I wouldn't be doing it lol.0 -
I think it depends on the person and what you're doing during the day. I never been much of a breakfast person but now I'm doing some things that keep me alot more active during the day and found myself having to have breakfast, a big breakfast if I am going to make it through the day.0
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seems that on these boards if you don't eat the way I eat then you are certainly starving yourself lol0
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First...I'm not starving myself...I get plenty of calories every day. Around 3000 on lift days...and between 2000 and 2500 on rest days.
Second...if you mean why do IF...there's a couple reasons. It fits my natural eating rhythm for one. Two...it fits my normal work schedule. Normally I'm very busy from 4am to 4pm. Three, I've found the effects pretty wonderful.
Now...give me even one valid reason I shouldn't.
Just one.0 -
The key for me with breakfast is to have some protein and fiber. Otherwise, it doesnt matter what I eat - I will be hungry before lunch.0
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First...I'm not starving myself...I get plenty of calories every day. Around 3000 on lift days...and between 2000 and 2500 on rest days.
Second...if you mean why do IF...there's a couple reasons. It fits my natural eating rhythm for one. Two...it fits my normal work schedule. Normally I'm very busy from 4am to 4pm. Three, I've found the effects pretty wonderful.
Now...give me even one valid reason I shouldn't.
Just one.
geez man dont get mad bro. no problems with people who do intermitent fasting, especially if you HAVE to do it since ur so busy. just the problem with people who suggest it to those who promote it as superior eating or even suggest it to the regular person trying to find regular success with any type of weight loss... dont get butt hurt especially if you intervene in a convo0 -
lol just one more question
How did you help me?
Hopefully you came to the realization that you were wrong and will stop spreading nutritional myths. And maybe you learned that a random article on a random site does not prove anything.
do you have any proof that these are Myths?
You keep trying to shift the burden of proof, you've still yet to provide a single shred of evidence supporting your claim. That in and of itself should give you an idea that your claim is BS. So got any evidence yet?
*rolls eyes*
after admitting i cant give proof on more then one occasion, also asking you to put your point across on the situation i walked away from this "debate"
As ive said on more then one occasion, everybody is differnet and different things work for different people
i'm trying really hard not to personally attack you, but you are being very awkward.
I CANT PROVE ANYTHING
so all i asked is for you to show what you believe in so i could change my mind abut the whole matter. I am open minded but still am yet to be shown anything AGAINST what i said.
But anyway they are my views and i dont care about what you have to say anymore
2 questions then, why would you beleive in something that you can find zero evidence to support? And instead of evidence supporting your claim, just tell me by what mechanism would eating breakfast and eating every few hrs burn more calories then less frequent meals/no breakfast, holding calories constant?
I believe this because its what pretty much every health professional has written when talking about the subject
HMonsterX i am in no way Religious i am an atheist so throw that theory out the window.
I have read Teh EFE article cris sent me, a very good read BUT in the psychology world there is something called the theory of Scarcity.
Opposite to what this guy is getting at "tell a lie 1000 times it becomes a truth"
Scarcity is the theory of information (iin this case) being limited ( not many sources supporting this) so he does make a very good case to why you should IF. I do see what he is saying but it can't be applied to all walks of life.
Because this information is so scarce i.e you need to pay for it and its not available many other places it seems like you want to follow this theory more, especially if you put your money behind it.
Think of buying a Derek Jeter trading card...signed by the man himself, just because it is highly unlikely that others have this it makes it more wantable.
IN MY OPINION....not to get confused with the truth like i am not allowed my own opinion to other posters on this forum..... i dont buy into the IF deal. It seems like media sell out. Just my opinion, so let the abuse begin and asking for more evidence carry on.
Once again thanks to Cris for attempting to help rather then mock me into aggression. I do realise you are "trying" to help with my views but it doesnt help wiith just putting people down, you need to give a helping hand to make someone a better person0 -
I eat a small breakfast. It kicks your metabolism to burn calories throughout the day. Miss breakfast, burn less calories in my terms. I try to have 100-200 calories for breakfast.0
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I try to keep breakfast light. Cereal and milk, or a jamba juice fruit smoothie I make at home. As long as I have my black coffee, I'm good!0
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Breakfast is my favorite meal if the day. I could eat it every meal.
That being said, I think breakfast really is important to eat. It keeps your hunger at bay, especially the mid morning munchies and can help you eat a smaller lunch too. I also recently saw a study that suggested people who ate breakfast typically eat smaller meals later in the day, which is good because the later we eat, the more unhealthy it tends to be.0 -
First...I'm not starving myself...I get plenty of calories every day. Around 3000 on lift days...and between 2000 and 2500 on rest days.
Second...if you mean why do IF...there's a couple reasons. It fits my natural eating rhythm for one. Two...it fits my normal work schedule. Normally I'm very busy from 4am to 4pm. Three, I've found the effects pretty wonderful.
Now...give me even one valid reason I shouldn't.
Just one.
geez man dont get mad bro. no problems with people who do intermitent fasting, especially if you HAVE to do it since ur so busy. just the problem with people who suggest it to those who promote it as superior eating or even suggest it to the regular person trying to find regular success with any type of weight loss... dont get butt hurt especially if you intervene in a convo
Actually, I'm not mad. Also...I brought in IF way back...apparently you haven't read the entire thread. You're technically the one that intervened. I'm the one that sent ESE to Liam. And finally...I do feel it's superior (though I rarely recommend it, simply to avoid ridiculous discussions like this). I broke a stupidly huge plateau with it, and have been reaping benifits ever since. It's helped keep me within 10lbs of my target body fat for almost 10 weeks while I've recovered from surgery with very limited activity excepting the last couple weeks.
Also, as I said, it's funny how your tone's changed from starving ourselves, binging, and the like, to you have no problem with people who IF lol.0 -
2 questions then, why would you beleive in something that you can find zero evidence to support? And instead of evidence supporting your claim, just tell me by what mechanism would eating breakfast and eating every few hrs burn more calories then less frequent meals/no breakfast, holding calories constant?I believe this because its what pretty much every health professional has written when talking about the subject
Appeal to authorityOnce again thanks to Cris for attempting to help rather then mock me into aggression. I do realise you are "trying" to help with my views but it doesnt help wiith just putting people down, you need to give a helping hand to make someone a better person
Who has mocked you? And you didn't answer, by what mechanism do you personally think that eating breakfast and frequent meals would burn more calories throughout the day holding calories and protein constant?0 -
Breakfast is my favorite meal if the day. I could eat it every meal.
That being said, I think breakfast really is important to eat. It keeps your hunger at bay, especially the mid morning munchies and can help you eat a smaller lunch too. I also recently saw a study that suggested people who ate breakfast typically eat smaller meals later in the day, which is good because the later we eat, the more unhealthy it tends to be.
If I eat breakfast, I'm ravenous for the rest of the day. No way around it...my stomach is growling again by 9am.Once again thanks to Cris for attempting to help rather then mock me into aggression. I do realise you are "trying" to help with my views but it doesnt help wiith just putting people down, you need to give a helping hand to make someone a better person
I'm not asking you to change your views. I was giving you peer reviewed proof. It's a well known fact that the medical professionals you've put so much store in...in general, know very little regarding nutritional needs. Good Lord look at the BMI chart for example. If ANY medical professional can still follow that, my whole sense of their credibility goes right out the window.
Here's the thing Liam...ESE, Leangains, IF in general...works. There's no refuting it. Everyone I've ever seen who tried it...gets the results promised. I've heard of not ONE solitary example of a failure from someone who followed the protocol. The book I sent you was a first edition...there's been five revisions...all with documentation that further supports this. Additionally...while you can buy the books...the information is out there for FREE, ALL over the place. The second PDF I sent you is free for anyone to download right off his website.
Anyway, the point of all of these posts wasn't to support ESE, Leangains, or IF, it was to provide documented proof that having to eat breakfast is bunk.
Point. Proven.0 -
I eat a small breakfast. It kicks your metabolism to burn calories throughout the day. Miss breakfast, burn less calories in my terms. I try to have 100-200 calories for breakfast.
Are you able to explain (scientifically) how eating breakfast 'kicks' your metabolism?0 -
I am a huge breakfast enthusiast. But only because I love everything about breakfast foods. I try to get a lot of protein and fiber out of breakfast. I usually make two egg whites with avocado slices, prepare oatmeal that's high in fiber, or maybe even make the eggs and avocado it into a salad by adding spinach, smoked salmon, beans, and a drizzle of dressing. I also have a cup of green tea! I know a lot of people that just don't eat breakfast though because they're not hungry. It actually turns out if I'm not hungry and end up making breakfast by the time it's ready my mouth is like drooling. YUM BREAKFASTTT!!!0
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I am a huge breakfast enthusiast. But only because I love everything about breakfast foods. I try to get a lot of protein and fiber out of breakfast. I usually make two egg whites with avocado slices, prepare oatmeal that's high in fiber, or maybe even make the eggs and avocado it into a salad by adding spinach, smoked salmon, beans, and a drizzle of dressing. I also have a cup of green tea! I know a lot of people that just don't eat breakfast though because they're not hungry. It actually turns out if I'm not hungry and end up making breakfast by the time it's ready my mouth is like drooling. YUM BREAKFASTTT!!!
Those are all great reasons to eat breakfast!!
One question though...just out of curiosity. Do you not like the taste of egg yolks?0 -
It IS the most important meal of the day! Nuff said!0
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It IS the most important meal of the day! Nuff said!
/sigh @ the internet!0
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