for heavens sake, I STILL EAT BREAD AND LOSE WEIGHT!

prsusa38

As anything, you can eat it in moderation. I eat whole wheat bread all the time and love it.

Aineko

Oh wheat! Sure. I eat wheat. I eat wheat in BREAD. I don't eat most of what's sold in stores in THE UNITED STATES as bread. Don't know if you have the same issue where you live. Where things called "bread" have about 15 ingredients, including sugar, or worse, high fructose corn syrup.

Yes I have the same issue. It was resolved by buying the breadmaker

I read your other reply. "excuses" and what not. I chose not to reply. That said, since I hit my 40s, I've had to eat a bit less of the grain type of carbohydrates to maintain my weight.
Call it metabolism, call it hormones, that's the way it is FOR ME.

What exactly was 'what not' in that reply? I apologize if you found it offensive in any way but all I wrote were numbers.

Reese61477

I think that it's an individual thing. Some people are just not able to process bread, pasta, ect that well.
Low carb diets like Atkins are not meant to keep you in the ketosis stage permanently. It's an induction period and then you
are supposed to slowly incorporate healthy carbs back into your diet such as fruits, more veggies, nuts, legumes,
and whole grains until you find your own personal carb level that will keep you losing weight or maintaining the loss. For some people it's 200 carbs a day for some it's 50. It just depends on their body.

I've lost weight both ways, however I know that if I ate bread, pasta, ect without any type of exercise involved I wouldn't lose no matter what calorie count I stayed at. For me personally, I have to use that energy or my body just turns it into fat.

spngebobmyhero

when did this obesity epidemic really start? In the past 50 years? Wheat is not genetically the same as it was in the early twentieth century, which may be causing the rise in obesity. We don't truly know what genetically changing food does to its nutritional values or effects on the body. Also, Mediterranean diets are vegetable and seafood based traditionally and there is a tremendous rise in Celiac now.

I don't have scientific data, so this is just observational, but Id say the rise is noticable in the last 10 years, definitely not something that started 50 years ago.
When you say genetically changing what exactly do you mean? GM or breading? Coz breading has been going on for centuries as well.

I was talking about genetic modifications that have been made to produce higher yield.

Here is some information about the history of wheat consumption and the effects it might have on many people:http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grains-leg/grains-legumes-1a.shtml

Here is an article on the components of modern wheat that may be contributing to the obesity epidemic (i'm not saying wheat is the sole cause, but it may be playing a role): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

Sabine_Stroehm

Oh wheat! Sure. I eat wheat. I eat wheat in BREAD. I don't eat most of what's sold in stores in THE UNITED STATES as bread. Don't know if you have the same issue where you live. Where things called "bread" have about 15 ingredients, including sugar, or worse, high fructose corn syrup.

Yes I have the same issue. It was resolved by buying the breadmaker

I read your other reply. "excuses" and what not. I chose not to reply. That said, since I hit my 40s, I've had to eat a bit less of the grain type of carbohydrates to maintain my weight.
Call it metabolism, call it hormones, that's the way it is FOR ME.

What exactly was 'what not' in that reply? I apologize if you found it offensive in any way but all I wrote were numbers.

I wasn't offended. I just don't agree with your perspective. And I know you won't agree with mine either, so there's not point.

Aineko

I was talking about genetic modifications that have been made to produce higher yield.

Here is some information about the history of wheat consumption and the effects it might have on many people:http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grains-leg/grains-legumes-1a.shtml

Here is an article on the components of modern wheat that may be contributing to the obesity epidemic (i'm not saying wheat is the sole cause, but it may be playing a role): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

Ok, so you are talking GM. As far as I know (I might be wrong, didn't look up the laws myself, but the source seemed reliable) GM crops are banned in Serbia (with some recent attempts by manufacturers to get them introduced). So I wouldn't say that's the case.

weathergirl320

So you admit you were wrong then? Because the Balkan diet INCLUDES bread and wheat etc. But the main components are not those things. I don't know if you spent a lot of time in the US but the standard American diet's MAIN component is grains. They eat grains as the main portion of all meals. And look at their obesity. If Americans adopted a Balkan type diet the obesity rates would go down drastically. You said the obesity was risint in the balkans, and i know and see firsthand that they are starting to eat like the Americans. Less fat more grains. I see it everyday. And obesity is going along with it.

No i wasn't wrong, because bread is one of the two main component. We can argue about semantics of "based on" and "includes" but there is nothing wrong with what i said. Actually look at it this way: in Serbia you do eat bread without meat (like bread and jam for example) but you never eat meat without bread. Give me example of a Serbian meal traditionaly eaten without bread. . I grow up in a village and left Serbia only 5 years ago so I think I can speak about traditional and contemporary diet. No, ppl are not eating any more bread now than they did 25 years ago. I'm really curious to hear which part of Serbia you live in and where exactly are you noticing this increase in bread eating, in which meals/food items/eating habits?

I never said Serbia. But I live in zagreb part time and US part time. I have my family there. They all seem to get it. And the ones who don't are the ones with the weight problems. Go figure.

Aineko

Oh wheat! Sure. I eat wheat. I eat wheat in BREAD. I don't eat most of what's sold in stores in THE UNITED STATES as bread. Don't know if you have the same issue where you live. Where things called "bread" have about 15 ingredients, including sugar, or worse, high fructose corn syrup.

Yes I have the same issue. It was resolved by buying the breadmaker

I read your other reply. "excuses" and what not. I chose not to reply. That said, since I hit my 40s, I've had to eat a bit less of the grain type of carbohydrates to maintain my weight.
Call it metabolism, call it hormones, that's the way it is FOR ME.

just to make it clear, the only thing I dont agree with is a simplified stament "everyone on this topic can eat carbs and lose becausethey are young ".

Aineko

I never said Serbia. But I live in zagreb part time and US part time. I have my family there. They all seem to get it. And the ones who don't are the ones with the weight problems. Go figure.

My family is there too. You didn't explain in which aspects of their diet you see this increase in bread consumption? (Im not pushing, Im just curious.)
Btw, this is total speculation but might have some impact: westernization of lyfestile has probably gone much further in Zagreb than in rural Serbia .
This doesn'change the fact that average Serbian is traditionally consuming large quantities of bread and pastry without the obesity problem.

tayteetots

Carbs are a good source of tryptophan which is the essential amino acid needed to form serotonin.

You made me go research Tryptophan. +1 on that. Your statement is misleading. I will copy a section from Wiki....

Tryptophan is a routine constituent of most protein-based foods or dietary proteins. It is particularly plentiful in chocolate, oats, dried dates, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, red meat, eggs, fish, poultry, sesame, chickpeas, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, corn, spirulina, bananas, and peanuts.

You are right, it is a carb! Just the source is not really grains in general as discussed through-out this thread. That being said, I eat plenty of meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds. No worries here!

Which is why I followed by first post with this

"Further, carbs such as bread/pasta pass through the blood brain barrier easier than most sources of tryptophan. A low protein high carb meal is most likely to increase the tryptophan crossing the blood brain barrier because the amino acids present in protein interfere with tryptophan, as they are larger and inhibit tryptophan from crossing the blood brain barrier. "

So yes, all those other foods contain tryptophan but they are not as easily processed to cross the blood brain barrier to form serotonin.

EEpling89

Girl, I eat bread, ice cream, chocolate, pizza...whatever I'm feeling. I'm still losing pounds and inches like crazy. If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. Period.

Sabine_Stroehm

Girl, I eat bread, ice cream, chocolate, pizza...whatever I'm feeling. I'm still losing pounds and inches like crazy. If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. Period.

Thats great for you! Congrats on the loss! Doesn't quite work that way for everyone, at all ages, sadly.

XXXMinnieXXX

I lost 50lbs eating lots of carbs but then stalled for 6 months, dropped my carbs to 100-150g per day and 150g protein and its falling off. Also feel better in myself! X

suziecue66

I never said Serbia. But I live in zagreb part time and US part time. I have my family there. They all seem to get it. And the ones who don't are the ones with the weight problems. Go figure.

My family is there too. You didn't explain in which aspects of their diet you see this increase in bread consumption? (Im not pushing, Im just curious.)
Btw, this is total speculation but might have some impact: westernization of lyfestile has probably gone much further in Zagreb than in rural Serbia .
This doesn'change the fact that average Serbian is traditionally consuming large quantities of bread and pastry without the obesity problem.

Aineko, I agree with all your points raised.

suziecue66

I was talking about genetic modifications that have been made to produce higher yield.

Here is some information about the history of wheat consumption and the effects it might have on many people:http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grains-leg/grains-legumes-1a.shtml

Here is an article on the components of modern wheat that may be contributing to the obesity epidemic (i'm not saying wheat is the sole cause, but it may be playing a role): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

Ok, so you are talking GM. As far as I know (I might be wrong, didn't look up the laws myself, but the source seemed reliable) GM crops are banned in Serbia (with some recent attempts by manufacturers to get them introduced). So I wouldn't say that's the case.

I'm happy to learn GM crops are banned in Serbia if that is the case,

liftingheavy

I eat at least two slices of whole grain bread a day, and sometimes up to two cups of whole grain spaghettii. Always with chicken or fish, and always with a green of some sort.

I lost my last 15 lbs, which are the hardest to lose this way with carbs.

God Bless you guys that can live wihout them. My BF is a bodybuilder who eats chicken and broccoli for 6-8 weeks at a time when he is training and I will friggin leave him if he does not learn to be a psycho.

Everything in Moderation.

suziecue66

I lost 50lbs eating lots of carbs but then stalled for 6 months, dropped my carbs to 100-150g per day and 150g protein and its falling off. Also feel better in myself! X

That is a moderate amount of carbs which is a good amount for weight loss even just maintaining. I consider low carb below 100.
It must be fantastic to lose again after such a long plateau.

Aineko

I'm happy to learn GM crops are banned in Serbia if that is the case,

yeah, just did a search on Serbian news and no GMO food is allowed in Serbia. there was some affair in 2004 with someone smuggling some amount of GM soy seeds but the crops were destroyed. They still suspect some very small percentage of soy crops grown from GM seeds, apparently smuggled from Bosnia... lol the Balkans :ohwell:

aliciaboyce313

I really lost weight not eating bread from 190 to 149 now just reintroducing bread but multi grain hope it works for me

love2cycle

This is a very timely post for me to read! I have lost weight, by still eating the foods I like, but not eating as much. I have probably gained back a few pounds, but mostly because I haven't been as diligent, and just in the last few weeks hearing all the no carb hype was making me second guess my success! I don't think it's good to totally cut out something from your diet, Unless it's mushrooms. Yuck.

recesq

Its really really simple people.
Some people's bodies react to sugar differently than yours.
Their cells are not as receptive or sensitive to insulin as yours are.
That's it in a nutshell.
So some people do not have to limit carbs in order to lose weight.
Yay for them!
Others can only loose weight by limiting carbs.
Is this soooo difficult to understand?

anushkadey

Same here..I love bread and can't imagine excluding it from my diet..

Sabine_Stroehm

Best of luck on YOUR journey.