Vegetarians and vegans. Controversial Topic
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The lady was rude to you and perhaps a little crazy, but for you to say that being a vegetarian would make you weak is also an unfair comment. I have been a pescatarian my whole life and I am not puny. I have a friend that always use to tease me and say that eating this way would make me weak etc, turned out despite her meat filled diet, she must have been pretty unhealthy, because it turned out she was the one who was anemic.
My bf is a vegetarian and he runs half marathons, and runs 5/6 times a week. It really depends on your diet not on whether you are vegetarian or not.0 -
Now I'm craving Jimmy Johns. I'll take a #12 Beach Club on wheat please.
I used to be Vegetarian. I was even Vegan for awhile. Can't imagine going up to a stranger and attacking them while they eat their meal. Extremely rude.
Oh and the the posters that wondered why a Vegetarian would be in Jimmy Johns . . . they have an awesome veggie sub. You can even get it wrapped in letuce instead of bread and opt for mustard instead of mayo thus making it a yummy Vegan sammie! I eat it sometimes and it rocks!0 -
what is your purpose for being vegetarian? Do they just taste that good to you? Is it about being healthy? WHY!?!? Don't get me wrong I have no problems with it, and everyone is entitled to eat what ever they wish. I however am trying to understand.
My mothers been a vegetarian for almost 20 years, and she didn't stop eating meat to become healthier, she did it because she saw a video on the slaughter of cows and what not, and when she was younger she watched her Grandma (my great grandma) strangle & clean a chicken, so she couldn't eat chicken after that. Now she's down to fish, and sea food (because she had to start eating that again because her Omega 3's were WAY down), as well as the eggs & dairy products she always ate. While she doesn't do what that insensitive lady did, she does encourage us to eat less meat and make healthier choices.0 -
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)0 -
I am a Vegan myself and I actually find that I get more meateaters who start the conversation about food and nutrition. I get told I won't be a real athlete or get the protein or nutrients I need. Personally I don't push veganism on anyone. If you ask I will give you my opinions... but that lady is just like the pushy religious folk. Not everyone is pushy.... but the ones who are give everyone else a bad name.0
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I am living proof that vegetarians are not healtier and more fit. Even without meat I have "carbed" my self into obesity.
I choose to not eat meat because I don't like it much and on top of obesity who needs to worry about cholesterol the like. Even though I don't eat meat, I still cook it for my family.
She needs to mind her own business. And thanks to you I now want the Jimmy Johns veggie sub -- but it has way too many calories for today.0 -
I've been a vegetarian my ENTIRE life, and doing so has kept me ALIVE for 27 years! Had I ever eaten meat, the toxins would have built up in my blood and it could have resulted in severe neurological damage, or even death.
I refuse to feel bad simply because the OP is on a personal crusade against vegetarians. I don't like threads that pick on others lifestyles, or their reasons behind them.
Holy **** I have 5 years to live.0 -
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.0 -
I don't mind that other people eat meat and certainly don't bother them about it. It's too bad there are people that would just approach a stranger that way.
This^^ Everyone is different and has their own preference. Why judge? I think if she felt that strongly. . .maybe she shouldn't dine where she may be offended by other people eating meat products? Hopefully she isn't as judgmental in the past. * future* lol0 -
I hate this topic.0
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GAH that lady has some nerve. I'm so sick of people trying to force their opinions down everyone else's throat.
This goes with EVERYTHING else. Politics, Race, Religion, Eating Habits, Lifestyle choices....the list goes on and on....
just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can dictate how someone else lives their life. Don't like it, don't engage in it. As long as it is causing no harm to you, then you can't have any say in it.
Ok, rant over.0 -
Hey, you didn't read the sign. No existentialism allowed. :P
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.0 -
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.
We get to decide and sadly many kittens and puppies are killed everyday, humanely. Livestock has been bred and raised as our food source and cats and dogs have become pets overtime because of their usefulness and relationship with us.0 -
Today, after I left the gym I stopped at Jimmy Johns to get a snack. I ordered a #1 which is Applewood Smoked Ham and provolone cheese garnished with lettuce, tomato, and mayo. I sat down minding my own business enjoying my snack. Like a the normal American Male that I am, I take really big bites of my food. Of course their might be a string of lettuce hanging from my mouth or drops back onto tray. Well while doing this I'm approached by a very bitter lady.
"That is so gross" was the first words out of her mouth. At first I was going to say something like "get off my nuts if you don't like the way I eat" but before I could say anything she wasn't talking about the way I eat food. She was referring to my meaty sandwhich. She says to me, "How can you eat that stuff, its disgusting, unhealthy, and just plain wrong. People kill animals for you to eat, god didn't put us on this planet to kill everything" (that wasn't word for word but its the same damn gibberish she was spouting at me)
Being a educated fellow I smiled real big and just knew this was going down right then and there.
My response "What makes you think that this is unhealthy? Because its high in calories? My food is cooked to kill the germs that might be harmful to me. As far as taste goes I believe its very good and I might just get another."
"I'm a vegetarian and vegetarians are just more fit and healthier than those who are not" she said.
Again I smile real big "Lady I'm 5'4" 160lbs, I can run 2 miles in under 13 minutes and at that pace I can maintain a heart rate of 150bpm and a dead rest heart rate of 52bpm. My blood pressure is 116/75. I can benchpress 205lbs. I go to the gym 4 days out of the week. I eat all the nutrients my body needs. Without sacrificing my size. If I were like you and eat only veggies I would be a puny twig that can be pushed over by a strong wind. I like my chances of being healthy without being a vegetarian. I like having protein in my body, it allows me to do hard labor work without being strained, and if I am strained I can recover very quickly. If I were you I'd start eating meat so you can be healthier than you are now"
Baffled and stunned this lady was forced into retreat.
wait.... you eat mayonaise? ewwwww. j/k. what a lunatic. People are not supposed to tell other people what to do.0 -
Hey, you didn't read the sign. No existentialism allowed. :P
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.
Hahahaha. *Paints a picture of The Scream on the monitor*0 -
That was a very silly thing for the woman to say! The human body is designed to be an omnivore. Vegetarians are often subject to nutritional deficiencies due to an unbalanced diet. All that being said.... I am a vegetarian because I cannot imagine MYSELF eating an animal. But I would never push my own beliefs on someone else.0
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I don't think this event actually happened. It was just meant to create a lengthy post.
Personally, if I were an animal I would want to be slaughtered in a slaughterhouse. Nature's alternative is much, much worse.0 -
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.
We get to decide and sadly many kittens and puppies are killed everyday, humanely. Livestock has been bred and raised as our food source and cats and dogs have become pets overtime because of their usefulness and relationship with us.
Again... how is the murder of animals humane? Every time I turn around I hear about people putting their loved ones on life support just to keep them alive. Yet if the same were to happen to an animal this doesnt happen. They are "put down." Of course it is to "end suffering" but what about the animals that ARE killed in the shelters through injections. How is that humane? Just because they don't seem to fit into our society because they are in abundance does not mean that it is HUMANE to kill. If you truly believe it is humane, please tell me how this is true? Because they don't feel it? It's a lost life. Just because we cannot feel or understand the thought and emotions of other species does not mean they don't exist. Again.... I am not saying the choice to eat meat is good or bad for you. Just criticizing the idea that there are "humane" ways to kill. Murder is murder. The end.0 -
OP the lady was wrong to approach you and gives everybody else that is vegan and vegetarian a bad name most of us could care less what you eat, with that said I think you need to educate yourself on what being a vegan or vegetarian is all about and the proven health benefits of a vegan or vegetarian diet before you assume things that are not true because you have not taken the time to seek the knowledge, so you just make assumptions instead. You can be extremely healthy being a vegan, vegetarian or an omnivore. one diet is not better than the other. All allow you the nutrients you need.0
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Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.
We get to decide and sadly many kittens and puppies are killed everyday, humanely. Livestock has been bred and raised as our food source and cats and dogs have become pets overtime because of their usefulness and relationship with us.
Again... how is the murder of animals humane? Every time I turn around I hear about people putting their loved ones on life support just to keep them alive. Yet if the same were to happen to an animal this doesnt happen. They are "put down." Of course it is to "end suffering" but what about the animals that ARE killed in the shelters through injections. How is that humane? Just because they don't seem to fit into our society because they are in abundance does not mean that it is HUMANE to kill. If you truly believe it is humane, please tell me how this is true? Because they don't feel it? It's a lost life. Just because we cannot feel or understand the thought and emotions of other species does not mean they don't exist. Again.... I am not saying the choice to eat meat is good or bad for you. Just criticizing the idea that there are "humane" ways to kill. Murder is murder. The end.
Since you don't find it humane how about you go and fund all these shelters with the resources to keep the dogs and cats alive, do the same with dogs and cats you believe should be on life support. Go pay for it since you believe its wrong and yes there are humane ways to kill. An animal dieing in horrible pain is alot different from one who does not know when its life has ended.0 -
this woman was so rude! i don't like meat because i don't know how the animals are treated in certain places before they're killed. it is my personal choice, and i don't care if anyone else eats meat! respect my choice, and i will respect yours.....0
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That lady was way out of line, but it sounds like you both offered up your fair share of ignorance. 0
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Hmm, maybe she secretly WANTED that yummy looking sandwich... LOL0
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Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.
We get to decide and sadly many kittens and puppies are killed everyday, humanely. Livestock has been bred and raised as our food source and cats and dogs have become pets overtime because of their usefulness and relationship with us.
Again... how is the murder of animals humane? Every time I turn around I hear about people putting their loved ones on life support just to keep them alive. Yet if the same were to happen to an animal this doesnt happen. They are "put down." Of course it is to "end suffering" but what about the animals that ARE killed in the shelters through injections. How is that humane? Just because they don't seem to fit into our society because they are in abundance does not mean that it is HUMANE to kill. If you truly believe it is humane, please tell me how this is true? Because they don't feel it? It's a lost life. Just because we cannot feel or understand the thought and emotions of other species does not mean they don't exist. Again.... I am not saying the choice to eat meat is good or bad for you. Just criticizing the idea that there are "humane" ways to kill. Murder is murder. The end.
Since you don't find it humane how about you go and fund all these shelters with the resources to keep the dogs and cats alive, do the same with dogs and cats you believe should be on life support. Go pay for it since you believe its wrong and yes there are humane ways to kill. An animal dieing in horrible pain is alot different from one who does not know when its life has ended.
ORRRRR... instead of spending the money on euthanizing animals... we put the money into finding them homes and making spay/neuter programs more cost effective? I am not saying they should be on life support.
Clearly you don't understand my argument. My argument is simply that we would spend millions of dollars to keep someone who is brain dead alive just because we are so emotionally attached that we dont want to lose them, and it is super easy to just pull the plug on an animal. Humans seem to think that we are all great and powerful in regards to other species. That the earth was created solely for us. That animals are here for our entertainment, companionship, and consumption. We regulate what is too many animals on the planet, and what is not enough. Who gives us the permission to do that? Just---ourselves... sounds like a dictatorship almost....0 -
I've been a vegetarian my ENTIRE life, and doing so has kept me ALIVE for 27 years! Had I ever eaten meat, the toxins would have built up in my blood and it could have resulted in severe neurological damage, or even death.
I refuse to feel bad simply because the OP is on a personal crusade against vegetarians. I don't like threads that pick on others lifestyles, or their reasons behind them.
Holy **** I have 5 years to live.
I am one of the FEW with my medical condition to make it to their 20s. Most before me didn't make it through childhood. 1 in 200,000 people are born with it, and everything that I stated is true - had I not followed the dietary guideline I stated (a strict VEGETARIAN, low protein diet....5-7 each day grams when I was a child, and 30 grams a day as an adult) I would have stopped existing long ago.0 -
Ok, so what would be the 'humane' way to kill something? Let's look at how mr. Ophiocordyceps unilateralis does it. He attacks the brain of an ant, taking control of it like a zombie, forces it to climb up a plant and bite down into the main vein of a leaf before it dies, then a nice big stalk grows out of its brain. You know what? I think I'll take the slaughter house instead.0
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Ok, so what would be the 'humane' way to kill something? Let's look at how mr. Ophiocordyceps unilateralis does it. He attacks the brain of an ant, taking control of it like a zombie, forces it to climb up a plant and bite down into the main vein of a leaf before it dies, then a nice big stalk grows out of its brain. You know what? I think I'll take the slaughter house instead.
Exactly. There is NO humane way in my opinion. Hence why I don't eat meat. Again, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But that is exactly my point. Murder in general is not humane even if you throw the word humane in front of it. 0 -
Again... how is the murder of animals humane?
Speaking as a vegetarian for the majority of my life, I understand what you mean, but I see it differently. It may be in how you define "humane". I believe that humans are predators that are designed to hunt and kill animals. I do not see that in itself (killing) as inhumane. But the way we raise animals for our consumption is, in the vast majority of cases, inhumane to me. That's why I don't eat meat.0 -
lol this is true!They don't eat us so why should we eat them?
....yes they do. They might not farm us like we do them, but they do eat us occasionally.0 -
^^ like this^^
Uh. Animals are humanely killed, they are not "tortured to death". I have been to slaughterhouses and have seen it firsthand.if you dont mind my input id like to say. that yes overall in America vegetarians may be healthier than most, but thats because a lot of Americans are over weight like me and made a choice not to combine the right meat and fruit?vegetables to make them healthy. you can be healthy and eat meat like yourself. i get that most vegetarians/vegans want to save animals. i was vegetarian for a few months, but i like meat. the real problem is the way they are killed. GOD put the animals on earth to eat. if we could just treat the animals better and not torture them to death then there would probably be less vegetarians. just saying!
P.Speople dont realize that you shouldnt it to much meat. skip out like twice a week on meat. Dr oz says you shouldnt eat animal with for legs more then 3-5 days a week.
I take exception, too, to your claim that animals were put here by God for us to eat.
We are animals. We love to imagine that we're special, but I think that's bull****. We are no different and have evolved in the same way as anything else.
If you really believe what happens to these animals before & during their death isn't considered torture I encouraged you to watch some of the undercover slaughterhouse videos, egg hatchery videos, dairy cow videos... That is cruel, inhumane disgusting torture, I couldn't care less if others eat meat but you cannot honestly think what happens to these poor creatures is 'okay'.
They don't torture animals to death nor do they before and after. Sometimes even those videos are false. Also they might catch a person who has done something wrong and they try to highlight it as in 'all' but that doesn't mean all farms are like that. Just like any profession you'll always have someone who is cruel and that is what needs to be weeded out but farms in general do not torture the animals because 1) its cruel, 2) its counter productive to the product (if you actually knew anything about these animals, the individual species, you would understand why). If a man beats his wife does that make all men evil? When a teacher abuses a child are all teachers bad and we must put a stop to having schools and teachers? What about a pet owner who abused his/her dog? Does that mean all owners are bad?
In essence I pretty much agree with this. In most cases the worst of the worst is brought to the forefront in the media to raise awareness, shock, or create dialogue in regards to the toture of animals in slaughter houses and or farms. It is not right, It shouldnt be going on and these people should be charged.
There are many ethical farmers/businesses out there who do not toture the animals. They are still seen as income and not pets. They are well fed, vetted, and provided with shelter. They don't frolic in the fields with bows on their tails.
Having been raised in a family of butchers, my father having owned a slaughter house for a while....I can honestly say that it was common practice (for us) when an animal came in bruised and hurt. It would be returned, business with them would be cut off and the Gov notified. Bruised animals = bruised meats that can not be sold whole.
Being in Ontario, rules are slighlty different. In the processing of animals (killing) we must have an Inpector on site, to supervise, check for ilness and take samples. No killing can be done without one present. This also limits the mistreatment of animals in the process.
In anycase, that woman was rude to push her views on you. We are free to choose the diet we wish, without having to explain ourselves to others.
As for vegetarians being sticks....my BF has been one since childhood.....He's 6'3 and 280lbs....
And I love bacon.......:)
Also in response to this.... how is the killing of animals humane in itself? It is humane merely by the dictation of human society. How would you feel about a slaughter house of puppies or kittens or even adult cats or dogs? Would you still feel that it is humane? Who actually gets to decide if animals are as disposable as humans make them out to be? We are built to live as omnivores. We can survive on an all plant diet, and meat is NOT essential to it. We eat meat as a luxury. Because it "tastes" good or enhances our athletic ability. But is there any part of meat consumption that is actually a necessity? That there are nutrients we cannot get anywhere else?
To speak of the humane and compassionate murder of animals (which if not for food I assume most people wouldnt agree with), is almost like talking about compassionate racism. It's an oxymoron. It doesnt matter how "humane" you believe these places to be. Murder is murder. And the murder of animals for OUR benefit.
Seems pretty hypocritical and selfish to me.
We get to decide and sadly many kittens and puppies are killed everyday, humanely. Livestock has been bred and raised as our food source and cats and dogs have become pets overtime because of their usefulness and relationship with us.
Again... how is the murder of animals humane? Every time I turn around I hear about people putting their loved ones on life support just to keep them alive. Yet if the same were to happen to an animal this doesnt happen. They are "put down." Of course it is to "end suffering" but what about the animals that ARE killed in the shelters through injections. How is that humane? Just because they don't seem to fit into our society because they are in abundance does not mean that it is HUMANE to kill. If you truly believe it is humane, please tell me how this is true? Because they don't feel it? It's a lost life. Just because we cannot feel or understand the thought and emotions of other species does not mean they don't exist. Again.... I am not saying the choice to eat meat is good or bad for you. Just criticizing the idea that there are "humane" ways to kill. Murder is murder. The end.
Since you don't find it humane how about you go and fund all these shelters with the resources to keep the dogs and cats alive, do the same with dogs and cats you believe should be on life support. Go pay for it since you believe its wrong and yes there are humane ways to kill. An animal dieing in horrible pain is alot different from one who does not know when its life has ended.
This issue will be debated for years to come.
Perhaps it is the influence of being raised in a family such as mine. But I do believe there is a difference between choosing to eat meat that has been hunted or processed in an ethical way and finding an animal and bashing its head in until it dies,
Are we killing the animal in both these instances? yes. Is one way more "humane" I say yes. but this too could be debated.
I am a dog owner and love him a lot. If he were sick, suffering and there was nothing to do but to wait til he passed. I would choose to have him put to sleep. I am not in support of animals suffering needlessly.
If a loved one had to go one life support "just to keep them alive" for my own selfish needs...I would choose to pull the plug. This is not murder, it's an ethical choice.
I also believe some animals are raised for food and others for work and or pets.
We all have our beliefs, One is no more right than the other.0
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