"It's SIMPLE! Burn more than you consume!" (B.S.)

agent99oz

I haven't posted before but I hear ya sista!

I have defo burnt more calories than I have consumed and as of this morning I am nearlky 2kg heavier than when I started 4 weeks ago WTF...I do a combo of weights, running, ellipitcal, walking, heavy weights, light weights, vary the calories eat high eat low...blah blah and I am now nearly 80kgs again when 4 weeks ago I was 77kgs

I am feeling low and really wondering why I am bothering...

mcarter99

OP- If your Fitbit is giving you 800 calories for one Zumba class, I think that's wrong, unless your class is 2 hours long and/or you're 200 lbs. Compare what an activities database would give someone your size/age for a Zumba class (or dancing or whatever it's closest to in the db you choose).

I have had a Fitbit for years and I've never seen burn levels like that. Most fit/non-obese people only burn a max of about 10 cals/min at their highest exertion. And you probably can speak during class, right? A little?

deaddawn

I have experienced the same thing. I tried several times to simply exercise more and eat the same. Last time I did it for a few months with NO results. It's like my body was conserving. I'd swim, walk, lift weights, and do several different video exercise workouts.....nothing. I took my measurements and a few were BIGGER!!! I once worked out with a trainer and on my own exercising 90 minutes total most days. I got BIGGER. He thought it was just great that I could leg press 275 lbs and do stomach crunches indefinitely. I was mortified that my pants no longer fit. What works for me, and may or may not work for you is reducing the amount of calories consumed, limiting processed foods and doing moderate exercise. I'm not an expert. An expert would tell you something different. This is just what works for me. It's also harder for me to do so I don't always stay on track with it. When I do the weight slowly trickles off at a rate of .5 to 1.5 lb a week.

Acg67

"Information" is pretty loose here. It's a lot of opinion. Someone who has struggled and solved it has a lot more experience than someone who was gifted with a naturally high metabolism and has thus not struggled.

If I told you that two years ago, I was 250lbs, would you take my information more seriously?

What about 300?
What about 400?


Have you seen what Gary Taubes looks like? By your logic, shouldn't you throw his book in the trash?

I'm not trying to pick on you here, just trying to see if I can understand what you're using to validate information.

I'm pretty sure I explained my process there. Those that have been through a fight and succeed hold a lot more weight than those that watched a battle and reported the results. This goes for everything in life.

I've seen Taubes. He's never tried to present himself as an athletic specimen, and he's far from fat, let alone obese. Diet gets you most of the way to a good body, exercise the rest. His appearance has nothing to do with whether his information is true or not, but his experience of digging through millions of pages of data does. I'm assuming no one else on this site has read the extent of literature on the subject he has. If someone has published a similar book after reading a similar amount of information, then I will give their knowledge more credit as well.

The internet is full of googlectuals.

Shouldn't it alarm you, that if he read through millions of pages of research and got some very basic concepts wrong and omitted some very relevant details to things he wrote about, that he is either a terrible researcher or or committing journalistic dishonesty?

Sabine_Stroehm

Yep. It's not "just math" despite what the legions of shirtless guys on here will insist.

albayin

OP sounds very stressed out. Last time I checked, stress can stall the weight loss if doesn't make you gain...

Take it easy. I hope you will find something that truly works for you and your body.

GasMasterFlash

...the legions of shirtless guys...

My favorite Saturday morning cartoon, as a kid.

deaddawn

I have experienced the same thing. I tried several times to simply exercise more and eat the same. Last time I did it for a few months with NO results. It's like my body was conserving. I'd swim, walk, lift weights, and do several different video exercise workouts.....nothing. I took my measurements and a few were BIGGER!!! I once worked out with a trainer and on my own exercising 90 minutes total most days. I got BIGGER. He thought it was just great that I could leg press 275 lbs and do stomach crunches indefinitely. I was mortified that my pants no longer fit. What works for me, and may or may not work for you is reducing the amount of calories consumed, limiting processed foods and doing moderate exercise. I'm not an expert. An expert would tell you something different. This is just what works for me. It's also harder for me to do so I don't always stay on track with it. When I do the weight slowly trickles off at a rate of .5 to 1.5 lb a week.

I HAVE read anecdotal articles written by a French women wondering why American women are so crazy about exercising so much to lose weight. In France, eating and cooking is a national past time. They don’t exercise obsessively and they eat fattening food……in small portions. Basically they think we are little nuts for pushing ourselves like we do.

Sabine_Stroehm

...the legions of shirtless guys...

My favorite Saturday morning cartoon, as a kid.

oh man! We didn't have that in my newspaper! DANG! NOt fair!

GasMasterFlash

...the legions of shirtless guys...

My favorite Saturday morning cartoon, as a kid.

oh man! We didn't have that in my newspaper! DANG! NOt fair!

Saturday morning cartoons are best known as animated TV cartoon. Perhaps you're thinking of Sunday morning comics.

cheesy_blasters

Re:Taubes. Not that I've anything significant to add that hasn't already been said but I was a believer in him for a while. Doted on his work even. But gradually as I read more studies first hand I realized how off target he really was in his singular demonization of carbs. He's as fundamentalist in that direction as the fat demonizers he speaks so eloquently about are in the other.

I'm now Lyle McDonald convert. Now THERE'S a guy who knows his ****.

I'm intrigued. Your use of The Doctor as an icon makes me trust you implicitly.

EvanKeel

Re:Taubes. Not that I've anything significant to add that hasn't already been said but I was a believer in him for a while. Doted on his work even. But gradually as I read more studies first hand I realized how off target he really was in his singular demonization of carbs. He's as fundamentalist in that direction as the fat demonizers he speaks so eloquently about are in the other.

I'm now Lyle McDonald convert. Now THERE'S a guy who knows his ****.

I'm intrigued. Your use of The Doctor as an icon makes me trust you implicitly.

That's understandable. 10 was a good one.

Huffdogg

OK, so that statement really chafes my nether-parts.

It is so NOT that darn simple!

I am a Zumba Instructor. I teach a 1 hour class at the MINIMUM of 3 times/week. On average I AM burning more calories than I consume and I am NOT losing weight anymore. I've been teaching about 6 classes/week for the past 2 weeks and haven't been eating any more or any less and I haven't gained or lost a SINGLE FRIGGING POUND!

By the way, I'm NOT asking advice, because I can almost promise you for 20 different people at least 10 different answers. Not gonna help me, but thanks anyway. I simply wanted to point out that this statement gets thrown around so much and it's just blatantly NOT TRUE!

Yeah...I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is more accurate a guideline than, y'know, biology. Or math.

darrcn5

Nope, it's not. Otherwise there wouldn't be thread after thread of people who HAVE a calorie deficit and aren't losing weight. I found out that I have to watch my carbs to lose weight. I lose fairly easily keeping them under 100 a day and very easily keeping them under 50 a day.

OP, you are right that every gives completely different advice on this forum. I would try various methods until you find out what works for you.

twofat2012

there are many scientists/doctors that do not believe in that theory. They feel alot of why we gain weight and are "fat" is because of the processed foods that we eat now.

PShep17

Sarcasm doesn't work when you have to point out you've done it just something else to think about.

Huffdogg

Nope, it's not. Otherwise there wouldn't be thread after thread of people who HAVE a calorie deficit and aren't losing weight. I found out that I have to watch my carbs to lose weight. I lose fairly easily keeping them under 100 a day and very easily keeping them under 50 a day.

OP, you are right that every gives completely different advice on this forum. I would tries various methods until you find out what works for you.

If you are consistently LOGGING a deficit and still not losing weight, it's not because a calorie deficit doesn't work. It's because either your target calorie goal, your estimated calories burned, or your logged calories consumed are incorrect.

darrcn5

Nope, it's not. Otherwise there wouldn't be thread after thread of people who HAVE a calorie deficit and aren't losing weight. I found out that I have to watch my carbs to lose weight. I lose fairly easily keeping them under 100 a day and very easily keeping them under 50 a day.

OP, you are right that every gives completely different advice on this forum. I would tries various methods until you find out what works for you.

If you are consistently LOGGING a deficit and still not losing weight, it's not because a calorie deficit doesn't work. It's because either your target calorie goal, your estimated calories burned, or your logged calories consumed are incorrect.

I'm not an idiot. I know how to measure my food and make sure my portions match up to what I am logging. I wear a HRM for my exercise. Standard MFP macro ratios did not result in weight loss for me. I didn't change my calories consumed, just my macro ratios.

Contrarian

I have Radiohead tickets.

tripod271

bump

WestCoastPhoenix

Burn more than you consume? Are we talking weed?

cheesy_blasters

I have Radiohead tickets.

I'm a little jealous.

sandflower81

She was clearly upset and venting.

joy31021

bs if you are a 55 year old woman

WestCoastPhoenix

bs if you are a 55 year old woman

Cougar metabolism?

SenshiV

*Sigh I don't get this...

1. I'm frustrated so I'm going to post, in a public forum, with lots of people, but I don't want opinion because they are useless to me..
2. I actually got opinions because it's a public forum, some people reacted negatively to my original post saying of 'I don't want advice', some tried to help because they want to really help, some people is kind of neutral..because this is a public forum with lots of people and that's how forum works
3. I'll come back and answer to everything I don't like...because that was the real intention of the post, discharging my frustration to all those would make me upset with their comments.

I am a respectful person believe it or not...but this attitude... makes ME upset since the opic's first post, when I read the header I tought 'trol, it's basics thats not the way things work'...then I realizes it was not a troll topic but a discharging topic, which is the forum intention of use...

It also make me upset to read that this is a forum where people don't help, because in my experience, I have read 99% good advice and answers willing to help people, than otherwise, what you said is a lie, but, if you always post the way you posted here, than I understand how you get so many 'bad comments'...

With all due respect...and I feel bad, because is the first time I post something not 'friendly/helpful'...

Next time, write your complain in a notebook, or a paper in the fridge, it doesn't make a difference, since you don't want any responses or advice anyway'..if that was not a lie...

This topic should be closed by a moderator, it never had a use...other than useless controversy.

albayin

She was clearly upset and venting.

I can see that, clearly. Personally I kind of understand how she felt and why she reacts...it's really frustrating, especially when you think you have tried everything but nothing seems working but people still suggest you doing the same thing you have done..or imply somehow you did it all wrong...

I think it's better to just let OP vent. Hopefully she will feel better and picks up again with high energy and more cheerful thoughts.

itsafrappe

am i that only one that thought the original poster was dr quinn medicine woman?

KaleidoscopeEyes1056

Depends on how you look at it I guess....one of my trainers told me to NEVER eat more than 1200 calories and infact, I should keep it between 800-1000 because I'm only burning about 500 calories a day through my exercise and I would need to burn MORE than what I EAT during the day to lose any weight. I just thanked her for her advice and walked away...I don't like confrontations.

Wow, and was the trainer still in the state of trying to impress you for your business, or they are already paid and that was just a side comment?

Already paid...I asked her for advice on how to up my protein. She basically told me I eat too much and I need to eat more rice.

I had a personal trainer tell me that my goal size (about a size 6/8) was too fat. Yep, he was a douche canoe.

KaleidoscopeEyes1056

Burn more than you consume? Are we talking weed?

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