Calling All REAL animal lovers!!!

Drenched_N_Motivation

frigg the bible is just some book some guy wrote a long time ago and there was no tv or real literature so they worshipped that. imagine if twilight had been written before there was television or any electronics or anything real to do and it was the first book you had ever seen. You would read it and everyone would think vampires were real. also the bible has been so twisted and translated by every different religiion over the many many years that nobody really knows what the real bible even said. Its all the different religions interpretations of it. Have your beliefs that is fine just stop trying to shove it down everyones throat.

Agreed.

halobender

I claim that science has more FACTS than christianity about the world being created.

I'm not sure you realize the difference between fact and theory.

I'm an atheist/agnostic, and your opinions and ignorant statements really perturb me morally. Live and let live; and if someone throws a single quote at you smile and pass them by. If they continue tell them you're not interested. But don't just go telling them they're wrong and acting as though you're not trying to engage them.

foxyforce

Hate to say it, but even in the Bible animals are used as sacrifice or as a working animal.
How do you define a "real" animal lover?
Because I love animals. SO much I almost became a vet once-upon-a-time, I don't support certain things and I don't support the inhumane treatment of animals either. But how do you define a true lover?

the bible says lots of things, none of which hold a lot of merit lol

AndiJoy812

To the OP: You sound like a very compassionate young woman. That is a blessing, but you will drive yourself crazy worrying about things that you can't control. Life isn't fair, and at times, it isn't even close to being decent. Do what you can to change the world into a better place - that way you can go to bed at night knowing that you did everything you could. Sounds like wildlife science may be a wonderful place for you to use your scientific mind and compassionate heart. Good luck to you.


To Cassie: I know that you are trying very hard to come across as informed and worldly, but you are coming across as obnoxious and ignorant. There is a time to just be quiet and try to hear what people are saying. According to your profile, you are 19 and studying to be a nurse...you have so much to learn. As a nurse, you are going to care for people of all backgrounds and belief systems, and I hope that you don't feel like you need to interject your disdain for the spiritual on them. You will also run into situations in a patient's treatment that science will never be able to explain. Best wishes to you with your studies and career...I would love to be able to have a conversation with you 20 years from now...it would be interesting to see how your thoughts on these topics evolve.

Rhea30

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

foxyforce

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

i think the only real open-mindedness is to be agnostic. so you can't fully close off religion, because we don't know if it is a fact or not, we just know that it may or may not be.

BR3ANDA

To the OP: You sound like a very compassionate young woman. That is a blessing, but you will drive yourself crazy worrying about things that you can't control. Life isn't fair, and at times, it isn't even close to being decent. Do what you can to change the world into a better place - that way you can go to bed at night knowing that you did everything you could. Sounds like wildlife science may be a wonderful place for you to use your scientific mind and compassionate heart. Good luck to you.


To Cassie: I know that you are trying very hard to come across as informed and worldly, but you are coming across as obnoxious and ignorant. There is a time to just be quiet and try to hear what people are saying. According to your profile, you are 19 and studying to be a nurse...you have so much to learn. As a nurse, you are going to care for people of all backgrounds and belief systems, and I hope that you don't feel like you need to interject your disdain for the spiritual on them. You will also run into situations in a patient's treatment that science will never be able to explain. Best wishes to you with your studies and career...I would love to be able to have a conversation with you 20 years from now...it would be interesting to see how your thoughts on these topics evolve.

*applauding* very well said.

Rhea30

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

i think the only real open-mindedness is to be agnostic. so you can't fully close off religion, because we don't know if it is a fact or not, we just know that it may or may not be.

How is that open mind when you are already stating a mythical answer to questions? You're giving an answer to something you don't even know.

focus4fitness

Sorry dear, all animals are part of the food chain. Some less likely to be eaten than others.

Every animal is edible. Even I'm edible. But that my dear friend is called cannibalism. And it is frowned upon in most societies...

You really shouldn't mumble, because I can't hear a word you're saying.

BR3ANDA

I dont believe that there is a REAL TRUE animal lover anywhere, to do that, you would have to never ever do anything with any animal other than let it roam free wherever it wanted, whenever it wanted, and not use it for personal gain of any kind, whether its getting you from point A to point B, helping you tend your fields, or feed you, because to do that, you are "using" that animal, one more thing, if you shop at a grocery store that sells meat, you are supporting the fact that animals are used for food, you dont have to buy the meat, but you still contribute. We all get used, everyday, no matter your position in life, you are being used for someone else's personal gain.
My husband and I own a business. After years of "working for the man" , we wanted to do things our way on our time, but guess what? Instead of working for "the man", we now work for "every man" (or woman) who comes into our business, they USE us for our services, for their own personal gain, now dont get me wrong, we are very appreciative of our clients, we wouldnt have a livelihood without them, plus we LOVE what we do, thats how we use them in return! Its just a circle that never ends.
Now, I DO NOT condone animal cruelty, which I define as causing harm to an animal for self gratification, or because it makes you feel good, the cat lady is no less an abuser, taking in multiple animals that they cant care for or provide medical attention for, because in their mind they are providing love to that animal, when in reality, the cats are running around infested with fleas and ticks, and have so many medical issued that they would be better off being put down than to suffer. Anyone who owns a pet and doesnt get that pet their annual shots, annual check-ups, annual teeth cleaning (yes, they need it too), monthly heart-worm and flea an tick medicine, or doesnt get them medical attention when they are sick, or feed them properly, is no better than the cat lady or the person that keeps their pets chained up in their backyard.

Rhea30

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

i think the only real open-mindedness is to be agnostic. so you can't fully close off religion, because we don't know if it is a fact or not, we just know that it may or may not be.

There is nothing that points to God existing, so him even being in the equation is absurd, just because there is something that we may not know or understand doesn't mean it can just be labeled as God, then you'll never have to understand. If that is how we always did things then there would be much we would not know since there wouldn't be a reason for it since a person could just explain it as "it was God". Many medicines we would not have, we would still think the world is flat, we would not understand the theory of gravity. You can go on and on.

Edit: correct spelling

foxyforce

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

i think the only real open-mindedness is to be agnostic. so you can't fully close off religion, because we don't know if it is a fact or not, we just know that it may or may not be.

How is that open mind when you are already stating a mythical answer to questions? You're giving an answer to something you don't even know.

i'm not. i'm staying my opinion of what being open minded means. it is the exact reason i am agnostic. i could be off base, but sometimes i just need to make a decision and take a stance. agnosticism is open minded!

foxyforce

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

i think the only real open-mindedness is to be agnostic. so you can't fully close off religion, because we don't know if it is a fact or not, we just know that it may or may not be.

There is nothing that points to God existing, so him even being in the equation is absurd, just because there is something that we may not know or understand doesn't mean it can just be labeled as God, then you'll never have to understand. If that is how we always did things then there would be much we would not know since there wouldn't be a reason for it since a person could just explain it as "it was God". Many medicines we would not have, we would still think the world is flat, we would not understand the theory of gravity. You can go on and on.

Edit: correct spelling

this can be broadened extremely for the sake of the argument

i am sure you had these discussions as a child as well

i personally HATE religion, and if there does end up being a god i am cool with humbling myself. i think we are too small in this infinite world to 'get it', but science also knows that new answers are constantly discovered. new science is always refuting old science. just go with the flow

taunto

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

True open mindness is to close your mind to religion...? Next you're going to say you want to F*** to be a virgin again.
You do realize that religion is the reason for many scientific inventions? In many ways, religion has opened door to science. I have no idea why people make religion to be the enemy of science. Before these hippies and high-schoolers calling themselves scientists, religion and science worked together

jeepzilla

Are you kidding me I'm a true animal lover!!! There so tasty I love Deer,Pig,Cow!!! now who doesn't love cow's???, fish and theres alot fo them!!, Chicken, turkey,duck,pheasant, dove, quails...list just goes on and on...


Now as far as everyone here that started the whole religion disscusion hate to break to you but there is a GOD. and one day you shall see...

foxyforce

Are you kidding me I'm a true animal lover!!! There so tasty I love Deer,Pig,Cow!!! now who doesn't love cow's???, fish and theres alot fo them!!, Chicken, turkey,duck,pheasant, dove, quails...list just goes on and on...


Now as far as everyone here that started the whole religion disscusion hate to break to you but there is a GOD. and one day you shall see...

a god? or one in specific?

who is to say that allah is anymore important than buddha

kazza2cats

Totally with you :flowerforyou:

I can't even be bothered to read all these negative comments :yawn:

I love animals and I know my views and that's all I need to know!

foxyforce

Totally with you :flowerforyou:

I can't even be bothered to read all these negative comments :yawn:

I love animals and I know my views and that's all I need to know!

.

jeepzilla

Are you kidding me I'm a true animal lover!!! There so tasty I love Deer,Pig,Cow!!! now who doesn't love cow's???, fish and theres alot fo them!!, Chicken, turkey,duck,pheasant, dove, quails...list just goes on and on...


Now as far as everyone here that started the whole religion disscusion hate to break to you but there is a GOD. and one day you shall see...

a god? or one in specific?


who is to say that allah is anymore important than buddha

Well for me Its GOD, for who ever else you can have who you want.. in the end the turth will come...

MizSaz

To OP humans are superior to animals

Gen 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. RULE OVER the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

2 Timothy 2:12- A woman will not usurp power over a man, She will remain silent.......

Molly182

hmm I understand your frustration. I love animals. I also understand the food chain and eat animals. I hate it when people go out of their way to harm animals. I definitely appreciate animals, but I think you're being a little over dramatic. I'm not sure to what extent animals are capable of thought, but I'm certain that if they could think like us that there would be animals that think they are superior to other animals. I feel like a lion would be arrogant, and think they were superior to nearly all animals.

Totally understand your frustration, but I certainly wouldn't be losing any sleep over it.

Molly182

I'm a little surprised that this thread hasn't been shut down.

Bringing religion into a subject is never a safe idea.

Rhea30

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

To open your mind you must close your mind to religion, I'll always be closed minded to religion because all religion does is put a mythical answer to an unknown question, its just an easy solution even if its the wrong solution. Once you close your mind to religion then you can open your mind to search for the real answers. That is true open mindness.

True open mindness is to close your mind to religion...? Next you're going to say you want to F*** to be a virgin again.
You do realize that religion is the reason for many scientific inventions? In many ways, religion has opened door to science. I have no idea why people make religion to be the enemy of science. Before these hippies and high-schoolers calling themselves scientists, religion and science worked together

Read some history. Religion has never been a friend to science.

EmCarroll1990

Totally with you :flowerforyou:

I can't even be bothered to read all these negative comments :yawn:

I love animals and I know my views and that's all I need to know!

This.

elaineanne1

I do not eat meat as I believe most animals are not treated kindly and they put so many drugs and chemicals into them it cannot be good for us, I am not against eating meat so long as they are bred organically. I always buy free range eggs as it is disgusting how the chickens are forced to live.

taunto

Read some history. Religion has never been a friend to science.

I think you might have to look into the history a bit more yourself.

Ancient Egypt: Most of the scientific inventions were made due to religion. Religion funded, helped and encouraged scientific inventions

Rome: Religion again encouraged many infrastructures

Yale and Harvard were both Bible schools
Oxford and cambridge also the same thing

Monasteries, churches, and other religious schools have helped medical science via herbal medicine in the old ages

While religion has also stopped science (primarily Catholic church), please don't discount what religion has done for the scientific community and what the scientific community have done for religion.

Religion gave us hospitals, science gave us medicine. One couldn't have survived without the other and in many times throughout the history, they were both the same.

Once again, folks like you need to realize that true science exists in learning about EVERY possibility, includingthe possibility of a higher power. If you just plainly want to reject the notion of something like that, thats your choice, but don't try to spread lies defending your POV

fiveohmike

Read some history. Religion has never been a friend to science.

I think you might have to look into the history a bit more yourself.

Ancient Egypt: Most of the scientific inventions were made due to religion. Religion funded, helped and encouraged scientific inventions

Rome: Religion again encouraged many infrastructures

Yale and Harvard were both Bible schools
Oxford and cambridge also the same thing

Monasteries, churches, and other religious schools have helped medical science via herbal medicine in the old ages

While religion has also stopped science (primarily Catholic church), please don't discount what religion has done for the scientific community and what the scientific community have done for religion.

Religion gave us hospitals, science gave us medicine. One couldn't have survived without the other and in many times throughout the history, they were both the same.

Once again, folks like you need to realize that true science exists in learning about EVERY possibility, includingthe possibility of a higher power. If you just plainly want to reject the notion of something like that, thats your choice, but don't try to spread lies defending your POV

Shoosh....dont pop their close minded, non scientific bubbles.

IveLanded

YOU ARE MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rhea30

Read some history. Religion has never been a friend to science.

I think you might have to look into the history a bit more yourself.

Ancient Egypt: Most of the scientific inventions were made due to religion. Religion funded, helped and encouraged scientific inventions

Rome: Religion again encouraged many infrastructures

Yale and Harvard were both Bible schools
Oxford and cambridge also the same thing

Monasteries, churches, and other religious schools have helped medical science via herbal medicine in the old ages

While religion has also stopped science (primarily Catholic church), please don't discount what religion has done for the scientific community and what the scientific community have done for religion.

Religion gave us hospitals, science gave us medicine. One couldn't have survived without the other and in many times throughout the history, they were both the same.

Once again, folks like you need to realize that true science exists in learning about EVERY possibility, includingthe possibility of a higher power. If you just plainly want to reject the notion of something like that, thats your choice, but don't try to spread lies defending your POV

You don't need religion for hospitals, etc. Religion was already incorporated in lives but this does not mean it has helped science, it just means it was doing what it has always done, control and mingle in lives. You can have schools without religion, religion did not give this to us. You can have hospitals without religion, again religion did not give this to us. Don't mix up religion control as a way of 'giving'.

fiveohmike