Why do some people on here say that cheese is unhealthy???

miracle4me

Cheese, well dairy, is not good for your system. It causes a lot of constipation, which in turn can lead to rectal cancer in men. Cow's have 4 (?) stomachs vs our 1, which itself shows us that we cannot digest cow's milk like a calf (who the milk is meant for). Human milk for human babies, animal milk is for animal babies..
The calcium that is found in animal milk actually gets depleted when consumed by a human (due to the acidity inthe dairy products which the body fights, so the calcium gets peed out instead of being absorbed into bones. "Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994).

Looking for replacement for milk? Almond, oat, hemp, hazelnut etc.
Looking for excellent sources of calcium that will not harm you, but will actually boost your health?
-collard greens, blackstrap molasses, kale, turnip greens, tempeh, soybeans, okra, bok choy, mustard greens, tahini, brocoli, almonds..
Note, none of this will make you unhealthy!!

This ^^^^^^^
When you write "Cheese, well dairy, is not good for your system. It causes a lot of constipation, which in turn can lead to rectal cancer in men." :noway: where is the facts for this not just opinions? No way that statement is true for majority of people. Unless lactose intolerance it does not harm people and has been eaten for thousands of years. Lets just say I respectfully agree many of us disagree with your statement. :grumble:

One more thing thanks to the poster who said he ate Cheese Quesadilla every day and lost weight. I just had a Cheese Quesadilla for breakfast it was awesome! My new favorite breakfast I get bored with eggs everyday. I also added, salsa, slices of avocado on top plus dollop of plain Greek Yogurt. I had some left over jalapeño hummus from 2 tbls last nights meal that I had counted the calories in the meal but did not eat it all, so I dipped my Quesadilla in it for more flavor. I used flatout low carb tortilla wrap with a little butter on top for frying. This is Low carb, and very healthy, cheese and all, plus very filling. :happy:

Sarauk2sf

OMG have you guys ever grilled feta cheese? You wrap it in parchment paper and throw it on the grill- and it gets delicious grill marks and melts to cheesy salty perfection. Serve over a balsamic marinated grilled portabella mushroom and watch panties drop.

YUM!! Have you had haloumi? Its a cheese that you always grill, yum!

I absolutely love haloumi.

CoderGal

Cheese, well dairy, is not good for your system. It causes a lot of constipation, which in turn can lead to rectal cancer in men. Cow's have 4 (?) stomachs vs our 1, which itself shows us that we cannot digest cow's milk like a calf (who the milk is meant for). Human milk for human babies, animal milk is for animal babies..
The calcium that is found in animal milk actually gets depleted when consumed by a human (due to the acidity inthe dairy products which the body fights, so the calcium gets peed out instead of being absorbed into bones. "Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994).

Looking for replacement for milk? Almond, oat, hemp, hazelnut etc.
Looking for excellent sources of calcium that will not harm you, but will actually boost your health?
-collard greens, blackstrap molasses, kale, turnip greens, tempeh, soybeans, okra, bok choy, mustard greens, tahini, brocoli, almonds..
Note, none of this will make you unhealthy!!

This ^^^^^^^
When you write "Cheese, well dairy, is not good for your system. It causes a lot of constipation, which in turn can lead to rectal cancer in men." :noway: where is the facts for this not just opinions? No way that statement is true for majority of people. Unless lactose intolerance it does not harm people and has been eaten for thousands of years. Lets just say I respectfully agree many of us disagree with your statement. :grumble:

One more thing thanks to the poster who said he ate Cheese Quesadilla every day and lost weight. I just had a Cheese Quesadilla for breakfast it was awesome! My new favorite breakfast I get bored with eggs everyday. I also added, salsa, slices of avocado on top plus dollop of plain Greek Yogurt. I had some left over jalapeño hummus from 2 tbls last nights meal that I had counted the calories in the meal but did not eat it all, so I dipped my Quesadilla in it for more flavor. I used flatout low carb tortilla wrap with a little butter on top for frying. This is Low carb, and very healthy, cheese and all, plus very filling. :happy:

Man I have a quesadilla maker and my bf fried one in a pan for me. First time I had a homemade one done like that. It was soooo good. Now I am going to be fat because cheese makes you fat and fat makes you fat and lookimg at these forums make you fat. ...that last one might actually be true

Rilke

If you want to lose weight, it's pretty smart to not eat cheese.

Hasn't stopped my weight loss, nor that of many many others.

Still - high calorie!

So yes, in conclusion, cheese is VERY unhealthy.

Macadamia nuts are high calorie. Avocado is high calorie. Olive oil is high calorie. Does that make those things unhealthy?

Rilke

the average person should get 55% carbs, 35% protein and 20% fat

Why?

bcattoes

The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

None of these sources are reliable. The Harvard article says soy is healthy. Enough said.

Show me some credentials that makes your opinion more valid than the scientists and doctors at Harvard and then I'll consider listening to you over them. They list their credentials and the studies to back up their recommendations.

ahamm002

The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

None of these sources are reliable. The Harvard article says soy is healthy. Enough said.

Show me some credentials that makes your opinion more valid than the scientists and doctors at Harvard and then I'll consider listening to you over them. They list their credentials and the studies to back up their recommendations.

I already posted a link showing that the recomendations from the Harvard article were garbage.

Livingdeadgirl44

I find it so hard to stick to a resonable serving size with cheese not gonna stop eating it though

justal313

Here's the funny thing about cheese. If I eat fruit without some cheese (or heaven forbid NUT BUTTER) I'm hungry again fairly soon after. It's almost like eating chineese food. If I have my cheese stick with some fruit I'm not hungy and I have a nice slow steady stream of energy.

However, I'm lactose intolerant so if I forgot my daily lactose therapy pill it's unhealthy for YOU to be in the room with me.

bcattoes

The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

Your science is outdated and based primarily on the old "sat fat is evil" garbage. Dairy fat has been found to be pretty much neutral. Overall dairy's health benefits probably outweight it's risks. Plus it's a good source of CLA. And oh yeah, it tastes frickin great.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3289141/?tool=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16407709
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22081693
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3299312/

You post 4 individual studes as "proof"? Science doesn't work that way, my friend. Just becasue a study is more recent, does not make it more or less valid. Considering how many studies have been done on fat, how can 4 be relevant, except as pieces of a big puzzle?

One must consider all the studies, all the information gathered, not just the information from a few hand-picked in an attempt to prove a point. This is what the scientists who make recommendations do. They look at all information avialable to formulate those recommendations. And this is why I choose to stick with the recommendations of the medical science community over a few random internet users/bloggers.

That said, I love cheese and eat it. But like all foods that have been linked to increased risk of disease, I limit how much I eat. Given all the information at hand, that seems the most reasonable thing to me.

justal313

OP: To answer your question, I think people against cheese are either lactose intolerant or vegan.

I am lactose intolerant and I ate vegetarian for almost 3 years and yet I am cheese's *****.

justal313

Cheese, peanut, beer, and wine :drinker: ... even if they put warning labels on that said "These will Kill You!" I probably still would eat them!
Now the question, I don't believe in fat free foods but what are your opinions on low fat cheeses???
Thanks to this thread, I just had a piece of string cheese with a side of cantalope!

Reduced fat cheese is excellent except for Fondue where the extra fat seems to keep the fondue from "breaking" and cheese sticks which are normally made with Fat free cheese is awful awful YUCK. Also lower fat cheese sticks are gross, they are acceptable in their part skim mozarrella form but if you go with something less calorie and fat dense it gets AWFUL.

Fat free sour cream, skim milk and fat free yogurt are fine and in fact Whole milk tastes like butter and not in a good way.

bcattoes

The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

None of these sources are reliable. The Harvard article says soy is healthy. Enough said.

Show me some credentials that makes your opinion more valid than the scientists and doctors at Harvard and then I'll consider listening to you over them. They list their credentials and the studies to back up their recommendations.

I already posted a link showing that the recomendations from the Harvard article were garbage.

A link? One link descredits all the studies done by Harvard and all the information they've gathered from studies done by others to form their recommendations. That must have been some link.

justal313

Honestly some people are just way too hardcore. You gotta live life a little. I consider cheese a source of protein. Sure maybe calorie dense but it tastes good and isn't empty calories so there are worse things to eat. As long as you're eating it in moderation. If you ate cheese all day that would be a lot of fat and you would be constipated lol

I saw far too many people saying there was no place for pizza in a healthy diet either. That just plain ticked me off. You can't live your life never eating pizza again if you hope to sustain this. Pizza is what you make it. It can be a good source of every food group if you want it to be.

Hey my gym give out free pizza the first monday of every month. How can it not be healthy? Granted I grab from either the eggplant, Pepper and Onion, or cheese box and not the meatlovers box.

bcattoes

http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

Okay than, next up is advice from the NIH:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/patientinstructions/000104.htm
"Saturated fats raise your LDL ("bad") cholesterol level. High LDL cholesterol puts you at risk for heart attack, stroke, and other major health problems. You should avoid or limit foods that are high in saturated fats.

--Keep saturated fats to only 10% of your total daily calories.
--Foods with a lot of saturated fats are animal products, such as butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, cream, and fatty meats.
--Some vegetable oils -- coconut, palm, and palm kernel oils -- also contain saturated fats. These fats are solid at room temperature.
--A diet high in saturated fat increases cholesterol build up in your arteries (blood vessels). Cholesterol is a soft, waxy substance that can cause clogged, or blocked, arteries.":

hahaha Well first, I won't even get into how poor the sources are on that NIH article, and the influence that the corn/healthcare industry has over them.

This is wrong, outdated science. There are different types of LDL, having high LDL means nothing.

Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. Not eating cholesterol does nothing but increase your bodies production.. of cholesterol.

Science!

That article is advice directly from the NIH and it's current advice. Whether or not you choose to take their advice is entirely up to you. The post to which I replied implied that a point was not valid because "it's not like it came from the NIH", so I was merely pointing out what the NIH thought of the fat in cheese. And now the argument is that NIH doesn't know it's science.

Let me guess. The National Institute of Health is wrong and relies on bad science. Harvard is wrong and relies on bad science. Webmd is wrong and relies on bad science. The American Heart Association is wrong and relies on bad science. The Mayo Clinic is wrong and relies on bad science. The Center for Disease Control is wrong and relies on bad science. Everybody who disagrees with you is wrong and relies on bad science. Is that about it?

LaMujerMasBonitaDelMundo

Because its a dairy product and although its good calcium for your bones dairy slows down your metabolism & the salt in it is not really good for you salt helps store unneeded watter that can cause you to have some extra weight on your body! Allllsooo if you eat enough it can constipate you lol :-)

http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

Okay than, next up is advice from the NIH:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/patientinstructions/000104.htm
"Saturated fats raise your LDL ("bad") cholesterol level. High LDL cholesterol puts you at risk for heart attack, stroke, and other major health problems. You should avoid or limit foods that are high in saturated fats.

--Keep saturated fats to only 10% of your total daily calories.
--Foods with a lot of saturated fats are animal products, such as butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, cream, and fatty meats.
--Some vegetable oils -- coconut, palm, and palm kernel oils -- also contain saturated fats. These fats are solid at room temperature.
--A diet high in saturated fat increases cholesterol build up in your arteries (blood vessels). Cholesterol is a soft, waxy substance that can cause clogged, or blocked, arteries.":

:huh:

So where is the info that says dairy slows down metabolism? Its not stated here. Sorry but that is the dumbest thing that I ever heard.

bandenna

FALSE?? HM Lol are you all illiterate? Or do you just not know anything about nutrition :-D.
Btw i never said stop eating salt and or cheese I SIMPLY JUST SAID SALT CAN CAUSE YOU TO HAVE SOME EXTRA WATER WEIGHT TO BE STORED ON YOUR BODY! DUE TO THE SODIUM!!!!!!!!!
DEEEERR!

But you did say two AMAZINGLY misinformed things:

dairy slows down your metabolism

the salt in it is not really good for you

Several people asked you for a source, but instead you came back screaming.

Salt is good for you. You need salt to live. Too much salt from ANY source can be a problem. Cheese has nothing to do with it.

To sum up, please provide sources or stop saying ridiculous things.

This...

dls06

Cheese is made of Milk. Even Cows don't drink milk once they wean. Why do humans think drinking or eating it is healthy?

lizziebeth1028

Cheese is made of Milk. Even Cows don't drink milk once they wean. Why do humans think drinking or eating it is healthy?

Too each his own:drinker:

bcattoes

Cheese is made of Milk. Even Cows don't drink milk once they wean. Why do humans think drinking or eating it is healthy?

Cows don't eat fish either, yet we humans think fish is healthy.