Why do some people on here say that cheese is unhealthy???

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  • Carfoodel
    Carfoodel Posts: 481 Member
    I love cheese but it's my downfall - so I had to cut it out at first to get on track and swapped it for the philly extra lite. I do have it occasionally.

    (or I would except that allthough there was a big lump of scottish cheddar in the fridge my charming youngest son instead chose to take my neatly grided low fat cheese all marked out in 30g portions and grate the lot for an omlette) so now only got the full fat stuff looking all seductive and appealing when I open the fridge - hussy!
  • LondonEliza
    LondonEliza Posts: 456 Member
    I eat cheese 3 (sometimes 5) times a day in sensible portions

    These are my faves:
    Low-fat cheddar
    Normal fat cheddar
    Parmesan
    Feta
    Mozzarella

    I exercise 2 hours a day (most days)

    I lose 2lbs a week

    In my humble opinion, if you exercise you can eat what you want (in sensible portions) if you don't, you can't.
  • tobnrn
    tobnrn Posts: 477 Member
    I absolutely love cheese. Fresh mozz with tom basil a little parsley garlic balsamic yumm. Trisquits with cheddar. Feta on spinach spinach salad. Tonights dinner chicken stuffed with feta & bacon. YUMMY.
  • StarkLark
    StarkLark Posts: 476 Member
    http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

    This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:
    FINALLY! At least now we know for sure. :wink:
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

    once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

    I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

    I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
    http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
    http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html
  • lizziebeth1028
    lizziebeth1028 Posts: 3,602 Member
    Cheese or the lack of it makes people crabby!!!!
  • Bobby_Clerici
    Bobby_Clerici Posts: 1,828 Member
    If all you ate was cheese, it's UNHEALTHY!
    In moderation, it's a tasty addition to any fabulous meal.
    Life is to be lived :drinker:
  • Flafster
    Flafster Posts: 106 Member
    Because it's full of fat and salt and dissolves all my self control when facing it down?

    Low sodium Heluva Good Cheddar Cheese is YUM!

    Yeah, I'm a cheese snob though. It's an affliction. I can't moderate. I must avoid
  • zaithyr
    zaithyr Posts: 482 Member
    The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

    once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

    I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

    I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
    http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
    http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

    Not all saturated fats are unhealthy though. The fat in an avocado for example is very heart health and its a type of saturated fat! :)
  • stepharega
    stepharega Posts: 211 Member
    <---- laughing cow cheese addict!

    srsly so good. :love:
  • Tropical_Turtle
    Tropical_Turtle Posts: 2,236 Member
    http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

    This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

    Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

    oh and btw it only said LOW fat cheese (we last I knew were talking about cheese in general) but yet again not a reliable source not quoting any studies.
  • gogojodee
    gogojodee Posts: 1,243 Member
    I don't eat cheese as much because it's derived from milk and I don't drink other animal's milk. Sorry, I'm no baby!
  • StarkLark
    StarkLark Posts: 476 Member
    Love the mob mentality here. Let's beat up on someone who can't justify their statement with scientific evidence and expend energy on berating them . It's clearly more statisfying to the self righteous here to entertain and gang up on one misguided individual than to stay on topic.
    "Mob mentality" or the "wisdom of crowds"? I prefer to think the latter, but I'm guessing you disagree (fair enough :drinker: )
  • eduardo_d
    eduardo_d Posts: 85 Member
    If you have cheeses that are low in saturated fat, it's probably okay. I believe saturated fat is the issue.
  • katejkelley
    katejkelley Posts: 839 Member
    I love cheese, but my digestive system does not. I've become lactose intolerant in my mid-life years, so I need to really watch how much I eat. I do have to have it on my pizza when I indulge though! My cousin in Wisconsin always sends us a ton of cheese each year. I love it so much, but just can't eat it. He doesn't understand at all - cheese is at the top of the Wisconsin food pyramid!
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    :happy:
    dairy slows down your metabolism

    Source?

    seriously, I would like to hear where this came from...
    Of all the things I've heard in the past couple of months...dairy slows down your metabolism tops it all.

    Anyway her response seems to be:
    FALSE?? HM Lol are you all illiterate? Or do you just not know anything about nutrition :-D.
    Btw i never said stop eating salt and or cheese I SIMPLY JUST SAID SALT CAN CAUSE YOU TO HAVE SOME EXTRA WATER WEIGHT TO BE STORED ON YOUR BODY! DUE TO THE SODIUM!!!!!!!!!
    DEEEERR!
    That is not at all what you said...read above for what you said.
  • graelwyn
    graelwyn Posts: 1,340 Member
    Oddly, I barely ever ate cheese and never bought it until I started changing my diet and met someone who is a big cheese lover.
    I have found I really like feta, mozarella, stilton and this blue agur or somesuch. I also like fruited wensleydales around christmas time when you get some really nice varieties. But I am never inclined to eat lots of cheese, so it has not been an issue for me in that sense. I have a chunk in the evening, and find it really filling.
  • Dayquasar
    Dayquasar Posts: 182 Member
    Watch these videos:

    http://nutritionfacts.org/video/aluminum-in-vaccines-vs-food/

    http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cheese-mites-and-maggots/

    http://nutritionfacts.org/video/breast-cancer-survival-butterfat-and-chicken/
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    Doh! I wish I'd know that cheese slows your metabolism before I ate that cheese & onion omelette for dinner.

    now I've got to eat breakfast to speed it up again.
  • Tropical_Turtle
    Tropical_Turtle Posts: 2,236 Member
    My theory is if you are going to make a statement like X is bad for you, show me WHY with studies showing me it is bad for me. Not some website like ASK.com Prove to me why X is bad, to help me learn and expand.

    It is not the "cause I said so" that doesnt work with kids and it wont work here (at least not with me)
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    I've read a couple of comments recently on here that have flat out said cheese is a "naughty" food and "unhealthy". I understand the argument for American cheese since it's processed, but fresh cheese is considered unhealthy? Enlighten me, because outside of it being a calorie dense food (as are nuts, but people don't consider that unhealthy), I don't see the problem.

    The only reason I'm even questioning it is because when I saw those comments, no one disputed their claim so it has me wondering if my thought process towards cheese is incorrect.

    Edit: I'm not referring to people on a low fat diet. I understand their reason for not wanting cheese. I'm referring to people who eat a moderate or high level of fat.

    I was just arguing about fats in another thread with someone who's replying on this one and this is what they had to say.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/index.html
    "Good" fats—monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats—lower disease risk. "Bad" fats—saturated and, especially, trans fats—increase disease risk. Foods high in good fats include vegetable oils (such as olive, canola, sunflower, soy, and corn), nuts, seeds, and fish. Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil. The key to a healthy diet is to choose foods that have more good fats than bad fats—vegetable oils instead of butter, salmon instead of steak—and that don’t contain any trans fat.

    I replied not exactly, but apparently I'm wrong according to the person who posted this because someone in Harvard wrote it. And apparently everyone in Harvard thinks of every variable imaginable.

    I think something being 'good' for you really depends on the rest of your diet. Cutting one thing out of someones diet may make one person feel terrific, and another feel terrible because they suddenly lack something in their diet. For example, trans fat occurs sparingly in nature (dairy for example), but there's a lot of it in processed foods these days. You could stop eating it all including milk and cheese, but what if that's where you get all your calcium? You could cut out red meat, but what if that's where you're getting your iron? What if you cut out these fats because they're evil and now your diet is low in fats. Most vegetable nutrients are fat soluble.
  • simplyeater
    simplyeater Posts: 270 Member
    dairy slows down your metabolism

    Source?

    Yeah I thought the studies showed that people who drank milk and ate natural cheeses lost weight/maintained better. It's the combo of natural calcium and vitamin D that you can't get from supplements.

    Actually the Vitamin D in dairy is just a supplement added to it and you can take that separately if you choose.

    Source:http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/

    Also much of the calcium in mass-produced dairy comes from calcium-supplemented commercial feed given to the cows, so it too is similar to just taking a calcium supplement.

    Industry Sources: http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/objtwr/imported_assets/content/aap/dc/nut/fn2005_lactating.pdf
    http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/asc/asc139/asc139.htm
    http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/livestocksystems/components/DI0469-03.html
    http://www.scielo.cl/pdf/amv/v43n1/art09.pdf
  • bluefox9er
    bluefox9er Posts: 2,917 Member
    Love the mob mentality here. Let's beat up on someone who can't justify their statement with scientific evidence and expend energy on berating them . It's clearly more statisfying to the self righteous here to entertain and gang up on one misguided individual than to stay on topic.
    "Mob mentality" or the "wisdom of crowds"? I prefer to think the latter, but I'm guessing you disagree (fair enough :drinker: )

    I do disagree. That poster clearly couldn't produce the scientific evidence and clinical trials required, yet people still berate her instead of casually ignoring and moving on. Some even replied why disclaiming her post doesn't dignify a response. The forum mentality really is a huge slap in the face of all the great things mfp does so well as a community.
  • StarkLark
    StarkLark Posts: 476 Member
    http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

    This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

    Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

    oh and btw it only said LOW fat cheese (we last I knew were talking about cheese in general) but yet again not a reliable source not quoting any studies.
    Check your sarcasm detector... either it's turned off or mine is reporting false positives! :tongue:
  • gatecityradio
    gatecityradio Posts: 401
    eat whatever you want, just stay under your calories for the day.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

    This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

    Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

    Okay than, next up is advice from the NIH:

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/patientinstructions/000104.htm
    "Saturated fats raise your LDL ("bad") cholesterol level. High LDL cholesterol puts you at risk for heart attack, stroke, and other major health problems. You should avoid or limit foods that are high in saturated fats.

    --Keep saturated fats to only 10% of your total daily calories.
    --Foods with a lot of saturated fats are animal products, such as butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, cream, and fatty meats.
    --Some vegetable oils -- coconut, palm, and palm kernel oils -- also contain saturated fats. These fats are solid at room temperature.
    --A diet high in saturated fat increases cholesterol build up in your arteries (blood vessels). Cholesterol is a soft, waxy substance that can cause clogged, or blocked, arteries.":
  • MissLucyDee
    MissLucyDee Posts: 66 Member
    Well it's high in sat fat so I guess if you have a high cholesterol then it wouldn't be too good, but if you haven't and it's part of a balanced diet I really don't think it's the enemy.
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    Love the mob mentality here. Let's beat up on someone who can't justify their statement with scientific evidence and expend energy on berating them . It's clearly more statisfying to the self righteous here to entertain and gang up on one misguided individual than to stay on topic.
    "Mob mentality" or the "wisdom of crowds"? I prefer to think the latter, but I'm guessing you disagree (fair enough :drinker: )

    I do disagree. That poster clearly couldn't produce the scientific evidence and clinical trials required, yet people still berate her instead of casually ignoring and moving on. Some even replied why disclaiming her post doesn't dignify a response. The forum mentality really is a huge slap in the face of all the great things mfp does so well as a community.

    I don't know about the rest of you but I would be sated with logical evidence, really. I enjoy it when people post "is it right that this is this because of that?" Where "that" is some reason why "this" could work.
  • eduardo_d
    eduardo_d Posts: 85 Member
    I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

    I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
    http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
    http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

    ^^THIS
  • Tropical_Turtle
    Tropical_Turtle Posts: 2,236 Member
    http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

    This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

    Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

    oh and btw it only said LOW fat cheese (we last I knew were talking about cheese in general) but yet again not a reliable source not quoting any studies.
    Check your sarcasm detector... either it's turned off or mine is reporting false positives! :tongue:

    Obviously you dont realize some actually utilize that as a "reliable" source and um yeah maybe realize it is like a text here - you can NOT tell exactly where the sarcasm lies - so here I am OOZING sarcasm all over you now.

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