For cryin' out loud. I eat pasta, fast food and ice cream!
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Couldn't agree with you more. *salutes you*0
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I'm all for moderation, but I can't stand when people eat 1200-1800 calories of *only* junk food and think they're healthy. You might be losing weight if you do that but you're not healthy. I'm trying for health, so for me moderation isn't something that's highly processed once a day, it's an unhealthy meal once or twice a week, or just a bite of something here or there. Weight loss is okay but coming from a skinny-fat person (I am thin but utterly flabby and weak) health is better.
If you ate only 1200-1800 calories of junk food a day, you would starve. I think you misread the OP.
What she is referring to is MODERATION. Junk food all day is NOT moderation. And for some people, like myself, we are much better off eating a small serving of a favorite treat, or one "dining out" meal on occasion than to deny ourselves yummy food for so long that we fall off the wagon and binge. Slow and steady wins the race. It's a marathon, not a sprint. etc.0 -
I was told once that, if you tell yourself you can never eat pizza, or something you like, you will fail your weight loss plans. So every Sunday is the day I go off my diet. It works for me because I can more easily stick to my plan for 6 days a week looking forward to rewarding myself on Sunday.0
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I think it's fine to eat something out of the ordinary once in a while (last night I had an amazing pasta dish, from a restaurant that I go to once a year - absolutely not something I would eat more than that). I chose to have it because it is my favorite thing, and I know I can only get it there (which is too far to drive to regularly). That said, I only ate about a cup of the pasta and then ate all of the other delicious (and healthy) foods that were tossed in with it.
However, I am really with everyone who are cutting out fast food. It isn't good for you, tastes terrible, and, at least with me, it seems to breed bad eating. Sometimes fast food shows up on my diary, but unless it is a salad (the least bad option if carefully chosen, IMO), I have usually used that to substitute for something I've eaten out that I can't find quickly in the tracker (like when I'm on the road).
For me it's all about choice. I choose not to eat crappy foods. Even though I splurged diet-wise last night, I got up early this am and made my healthy breakfast, lunch and snacks for the day. I'm not going to let one splurge turn into a day/week/month worth of bad choices. I am choosing to be a more healthy me.0 -
I agree, some what. As it should be a lifestyle change for the rest of your life. So moderation is key. Assuming you are able to control yourself, as discussed here, not everyone is able to or can even eat those foods at all.
(Though the healthier you eat, the less you should be craving these foods.. at least ideally)
For me, its about moderation. And moderation is more than just watching my serviing size. Its how often I let myself have them.
I will usually indulge in some pasta at a restaurant, or Chipotle (with no tortilla and no sour cream), and frozen yogurt on my big workout/'splurge' days.
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I am the same way. I eat food. For me, I could never stick to a diet where something is off limits. I try to eat healthy for the most part but I need some junk food, every single day.0
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I think it's fine to eat something out of the ordinary once in a while (last night I had an amazing pasta dish, from a restaurant that I go to once a year - absolutely not something I would eat more than that). I chose to have it because it is my favorite thing, and I know I can only get it there (which is too far to drive to regularly). That said, I only ate about a cup of the pasta and then ate all of the other delicious (and healthy) foods that were tossed in with it.
However, I am really with everyone who are cutting out fast food. It isn't good for you, tastes terrible, and, at least with me, it seems to breed bad eating. Sometimes fast food shows up on my diary, but unless it is a salad (the least bad option if carefully chosen, IMO), I have usually used that to substitute for something I've eaten out that I can't find quickly in the tracker (like when I'm on the road).
For me it's all about choice. I choose not to eat crappy foods. Even though I splurged diet-wise last night, I got up early this am and made my healthy breakfast, lunch and snacks for the day. I'm not going to let one splurge turn into a day/week/month worth of bad choices. I am choosing to be a more healthy me.
I am the same way, I did cut out fast food because it is BAD for you. But I LOVE ice cream. I will have it every once in a while and not feel bad about it. I'll just work out and eat healthy for the rest of my meals or until I want some more. Ice cream and chococalte are really the only "unhealthy" things I couldn't live without! (not to be taken super literally lol)0 -
I'm so tired of seeing "I can't eat pasta. I can't eat fast food. I can't eat ice cream. I can't eat fruit. I can't have this. I can't have that."
First things first.. you dont need to be nasty about it.
Secondly, there are many people who have serious medical problems that warrant the elimination of those types of foods. I have patients who have such issues who use MFP for tracking under the physician's advice.
Then you have people who come out and admit that they dont have control when they eat those types of foods thus they do their best not to have them.
So yes, there are people who legitimately cant have those types of foods.
I wasn't talking about people with health issues. If you have a realistic health issue (ie-diabetes) you are excluded from this conversation. I'm talking about normal, everyday people who are basically overall in good health who just THINK they can't have "normal" food.
An estimated 20% of people in the US have insulin resistance. Most of these people are overweight. So the percentage of people on MFP that have insulin resistance is most likely higher than 20%. When you have insulin resistance, your body doesn't digest carbs the way the body of someone without insulin resistance does. It's best to follow a low carb, high protein diet when you have insulin resistance. Sooooo those people CAN'T have ice cream, pasta, pizza, etc on a normal basis and be successful at losing weight.
So although you say you weren't talking about "those people", a lot of "those people" are on this site.
Wrong. I have insulin resistance (prediabetes) I still eat those things in moderation and I'm still losing. And the more I lose, the more my body can process those things. Win-win.0 -
Is having frozen yogurt instead of ice cream good? I love my pomegranate blueberry frozen yogurt or is it not clean enough because it's still dairy? >.>0
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Is having frozen yogurt instead of ice cream good? I love my pomegranate blueberry frozen yogurt or is it not clean enough because it's still dairy? >.>
Dairy is for baby mammals, are you a baby mammal?0 -
Is having frozen yogurt instead of ice cream good? I love my pomegranate blueberry frozen yogurt or is it not clean enough because it's still dairy? >.>
Dairy is for baby mammals, are you a baby mammal?
My mom calls me her baby and humans are mammals. :P
Seriously, I can't imagine life without dairy products. I love cheese, ice cream, yogurt, etc. If you want to do it, go right ahead. I'm not making myself miserable by depriving myself of everything I love just to be "clean."0 -
Is having frozen yogurt instead of ice cream good? I love my pomegranate blueberry frozen yogurt or is it not clean enough because it's still dairy? >.>
Dairy is for baby mammals, are you a baby mammal?
It s bizarre that we are the only mammals to a) drink the milk of other mammals, and b) do so after weaning.0 -
Holy crap, just reading this thread is really telling to why the world is getting fatter and unhealthier. People are so defensive about their sugar addictions that they will go so far as to attack those that avoid the disgusting stuff! Reminds me of addiction to many hard drugs out there. There are cravings, moods, sicknesses and even withdrawals. Let's get the stuff scheduled as a controlled substance ASAP, it would be one of the few drugs that actually belong there.0
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Some reckless *kitten* advice in this thread...
Yes, the most important things are your macros and daily net calories. If you have a terrible diet (with a stabilized weight) and you simply add exercise, you will begin to lose weight because your net calories have gone down. However, that will only get you to a point where your net calories are zero, which, if you're eating 4000 calories a day is probably not anywhere near your ultimate weight loss goal. Not that it's impossible. For example, when Dean Karnazes runs, he consumes around 10,000 calories a day. Michael Phelps is another example of an athlete who requires massive caloric intake.
But hey, none of you are Dean or Michael. You don't burn 8000 calories a day via training. So manage your f**king diet.
(It's also worth noting that those athletes mentioned pay more attention to what they eat than anyone.)0 -
Holy crap, just reading this thread is really telling to why the world is getting fatter and unhealthier. People are so defensive about their sugar addictions that they will go so far as to attack those that avoid the disgusting stuff! Reminds me of addiction to many hard drugs out there. There are cravings, moods, sicknesses and even withdrawals. Let's get the stuff scheduled as a controlled substance ASAP, it would be one of the few drugs that actually belong there.
I feel the same way about bacon. Let's ban that crap! Legislation is the answer!0 -
I'm so tired of seeing "I can't eat pasta. I can't eat fast food. I can't eat ice cream. I can't eat fruit. I can't have this. I can't have that."
First things first.. you dont need to be nasty about it.
Secondly, there are many people who have serious medical problems that warrant the elimination of those types of foods. I have patients who have such issues who use MFP for tracking under the physician's advice.
Then you have people who come out and admit that they dont have control when they eat those types of foods thus they do their best not to have them.
So yes, there are people who legitimately cant have those types of foods.
I wasn't talking about people with health issues. If you have a realistic health issue (ie-diabetes) you are excluded from this conversation. I'm talking about normal, everyday people who are basically overall in good health who just THINK they can't have "normal" food.
Even people with diabetes can eat whatever they want as long as they do so in moderation and properly count their carbs. The whole "I can't eat it because I'm a diabetic" thing is a myth.0 -
I'm so tired of seeing "I can't eat pasta. I can't eat fast food. I can't eat ice cream. I can't eat fruit. I can't have this. I can't have that."
Seriously. This is why people don't "diet" because they think they're only going to live on lettuce and nuts.
I eat pasta.
I drank booze (can't now because I'm pregnant).
I eat ice cream EVERY DAY. Yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY (and have for 7 months now)
I eat fast food.
Heck, I'll even have that 1000 calorie burrito from Chipotle.
And yes! I LOST WEIGHT. And how did I do it?
BY WORKING MY *kitten* OFF.
Did I really want that burrito? You bet I did. But I exercised to earn it.
Do I REALLY eat ice cream EVERY DAY? Sure do. I remember the days I would down half a container of Breyer's. Not anymore. The key is portion control. I get the Skinny Cow. Actually, right now I have full fat, full calorie TRIPLE CHOCOLATE DRUMSTICKS in my freezer. I had one last night, and golly, I made it fit into my plan.
*gasp* PASTA?! OH NO. Yes, I eat pasta and I do regularly. I'll usually have 1.5-2 servings of cheese ravioli WITH sauce PLUS vegetables with butter!
My macros are set at 45-35-20 and I hit them almost every day on point with calories to spare at the end of the day! Today - my macros came all to 0 at the end of the day.
You CAN eat all the "evil" foods. It's not a "diet", it's a LIFESTYLE CHANGE and the key to a lifestyle change is to enjoy everything you enjoy, but to adapt them in a way to make them fit into your new lifestyle.
PREACH IT SISTER! and AMEN!0 -
For reals.
I would have lost doing something restrictive...but it would be back with a vengeance by now!! The only reason I've lost so much is because of logging the good stuff I eat and YES ALL THE CRAP TOO!! haha0 -
I agree but with a slight tweak. I'm a fan of the 80-20 rule, so personally I try to stay on my eating plan of eating more fruits, veggies, lean protein, whole grains and dairy 80% of the time, and 20% of the time just doing WTH I want. :laugh: For some people, it's better to plan treats within a day of eating healthy, but I feel I'm better off with one day of "cheating". And I don't cram everything I can in my mouth, either, nor do I take advantage of each day I "allot" for myself (once every week).
I find that if I have treats more than that, it increases my cravings. That's just my take. :smokin:
This is well said. Most people are not machines and can't eat "clean" all of the time. I'm sure everyone is trying to do their best. We're all here for our own reasons and we're not all going to agree on what's best of each of us.
I think this is what she is meaning. I feel the same way I eat 80/20 as well. Now if I am out late and it's not my splurge day and my husband ordered pizza for dinner than I will fit it into my calorie range.0 -
I agree. No food is off limits. That will only make me want it more - and probably cause a binge.0
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I don't know why people care so much about what others eat/don't eat.
I do what I do for ME, I eat what I eat for ME. I don't really care of someone
else doesn't want to eat pasta, ice cream or bread.0 -
Meh... I try to not eat at least the fast food all the time... why? Because I become tired and sluggish and just ultimately feel like crap... I don't like feeling that way... it sucks.0
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But those aren't clean foods,therefore you're destroying your health
This is the way I feel too. I won't put anyone down for feeling otherwise, but it's not the lifestyle I choose to live. For me, it's more about WHAT I put in my body and knowing where it came from, how it was processed, etc.
Agree 110%. For me it's about goals and the way I feel. If I eat 1000 calories made up of ice cream pizza, etc, ite inevitable I'll feel sluggish and not to mention, I'm not giving my body ANY nutrients. Now, if I use those calories with lean chicken breast, broccoli, brown rice, etc, then I know I'm giving my body its macronutrients and feeding my body energy. To me, being strong is healthy, not the number on the scale. Its all about choices your choices.0 -
I want to eat to live. For me it's a mindset. Others may label me as "restrictive", that I'm "depriving" myself, that "binges are inevitable". Pure BS. I have never felt better than how I feel when eating clean.
To each thier own.0 -
I don't know why people care so much about what others eat/don't eat.
I do what I do for ME, I eat what I eat for ME. I don't really care of someone
else doesn't want to eat pasta, ice cream or bread.
I don't think it's a matter of caring what others eat, in a "you MUST have pasta or ice cream!" kind of way. It's seeing topic after topic after topic of people who DO want to eat those things, but think they can't.
Obviously, medical issues trump desires. A diabetic shouldn't have cotton candy. Someone with Cialic disease should avoid gluten. Someone with shellfish allergies shouldn't have lobster.
But if you're a normal, active person... and you really want pizza, there's absolutely no reason to avoid pizza. For most people, some bread, some cheese, and some tomato sauce are not bad foods if eaten individually. They're not bad foods if you put them all together and call it pizza, either.
I hate seeing people suffer and struggle. And I firmly believe that the biggest hurdle for anyone trying to lose weight is the emotional/mental aspect of it. What you put in your mouth matters, but a sustainable way of eating long term matters more. How many times have people adopted a "diet" that excluded lots of their favorite foods, then something happens... they end up eating an entire cake or pizza, feel like they failed, and quit.
Someone who's already adopted a "everything in moderation" attitude is less likely to eat an entire cake, because it's not forbidden. They might still have that major binge, but accept it as part of life. They understand it's a just a detour, that they can turn themselves around and get back on course.
For most of my 30s, I maintained a weight at the high end of acceptable. Just a little bit more than I wanted to weigh. A few times, I tried to lose weight, but cutting calories too much. That never worked. Then I lost both parents, my job and my cat within a very short span of time (I know the cat sounds ridiculous to get upset about, but losing a young, healthy cat was unexpected and the straw that broke the camel's back), got severe depression and gained a little more weight.
This time around, I didn't want to restrict myself. I didn't want to just "lose weight." I wanted to get fit, healthy and strong. And I did it by watching my calories and macros, and exercising regularly. I typically ate between 1800-2000 calories a day, and had pizza once a week at least. I reached my goal so much easier than any other time in my life, and this was the first time I actually stuck with an eating plan (hate to call it a diet) to my goal weight. I've been maintaining for over a year.0 -
Holy crap, just reading this thread is really telling to why the world is getting fatter and unhealthier. People are so defensive about their sugar addictions that they will go so far as to attack those that avoid the disgusting stuff! Reminds me of addiction to many hard drugs out there. There are cravings, moods, sicknesses and even withdrawals. Let's get the stuff scheduled as a controlled substance ASAP, it would be one of the few drugs that actually belong there.
I feel the same way about bacon. Let's ban that crap! Legislation is the answer!
I was making a joke there about legislation, if it wasn't obvious. Sadly, bacon does not share any of the physically addictive qualities that sugar has. If I had craved bacon as much as I used to crave sugar and carbs, I wouldn't have been in the place I was when I began this weight loss.0 -
Is having frozen yogurt instead of ice cream good? I love my pomegranate blueberry frozen yogurt or is it not clean enough because it's still dairy? >.>
Dairy is for baby mammals, are you a baby mammal?
It s bizarre that we are the only mammals to a) drink the milk of other mammals, and b) do so after weaning.
Because milk is delicious. Other mammals don't seem to care about the taste as much. XD0 -
It s bizarre that we are the only mammals to a) drink the milk of other mammals, and b) do so after weaning.
No more bizarre than that we're the only mammals to cook our foods, plan and prepare meals, keep foods in refrigerators, etc. Humans do a LOT of things that could be considered unnatural.0 -
It s bizarre that we are the only mammals to a) drink the milk of other mammals, and b) do so after weaning.
No more bizarre than that we're the only mammals to cook our foods, plan and prepare meals, keep foods in refrigerators, etc. Humans do a LOT of things that could be considered unnatural.
Thank you! Sometimes unnatural isn't a bad thing after all. :P0 -
I'm so tired of seeing "I can't eat pasta. I can't eat fast food. I can't eat ice cream. I can't eat fruit. I can't have this. I can't have that."
First things first.. you dont need to be nasty about it.
Secondly, there are many people who have serious medical problems that warrant the elimination of those types of foods. I have patients who have such issues who use MFP for tracking under the physician's advice.
Then you have people who come out and admit that they dont have control when they eat those types of foods thus they do their best not to have them.
So yes, there are people who legitimately cant have those types of foods.
ummm, pretty sure she's not referring to people who literally CAN'T have something for medical reasons or what-not... thinking it's more about the peeps who think that dieting is torture, and expressing that it doesn't have to be, because if you want to consume all of the "regular" food, it just has to be done with caloric moderation and with lots of exercise...
oh, and you could learn to follow your own advice about being nasty... as you were the only one not following that rule here...0
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