Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America?
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It can be said that you can see what a man is made of when the *kitten* hits the fan. During a time of action when what they are used to is broken (gf is pregnant, war, alien invasion, zombie apocalypse, Black Friday sale at Wal*Mart) is when you can see the character of a man. Where the guise of what society expects of a man is removed and he must act on his own will. Not the weights he has lifted or the beers he has drunk.
EXACTLY!
Why cant it be all of them including the weights and beer? I love beer. Why is everyone so uptight and sensitive? So is it wrong for men to call anther guy a p**sy for not being able to eat the hottest hot wings in a joking manner? Is picking on your guy friends bad now? Everyone is so scare they are going to hurt someone's feelings. I am not touching the military or the dads out there because they are more of a man than me, it takes a real man to go through those things. I am man, there are many things the defines a man. There is no need to bash people who lift, that is stereotyping people and if im correct, isnt that what most people on this thread mad about? Some my friends are into lifting and they are some of the nicest guys out there, yeah some are jerks and always try send women pics of their p*nis but not all are like that. They just take pride in their body, its no different than the women who are bulking up. As for being sexist, im seeing it going both ways on here. Double standards. Also there are some women on this thread I recognize from other threads making fun of women how they dress too.
His post wasn't saying that men who drink beer or lift weights are any less of a man- just that those aren't what DEFINE a man.
All I know is, I need a beer, this has been one stressful thread. Too bad we all cant go out for beers.
Remember man, these people are just words on a screen. They can be as stressful or as unstressful as you make it out to be. All everyone is doing on here is voicing their opinions, and some do it more passionately than others. Just take 5 and have that beer, hell have one for me too. In the end, we're all entitled to our opinions and in the end, this can be all over by turning off the screen.
cheers :drinker:0 -
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Here is a question:
Do you think that Chuck Norris is a MAN?
My answer: no.
In fact, I'M CALLING YOU OUT NORRIS!0 -
I think the view of masculinity has changed considerably in society. IN GENERAL, people use to think hairy chest, loose jeans, boots, and a guy sweating while he was doing work was sexy. What's sexy now? Justin Beiber, waxed chests, emo hair. Keep in mind I'm just pointing out generalities, I understand specific people have different tastes.
So no, I don't think there is a lack of masculinity, I just think what's acceptable or how it's viewed has changed.
On a side note, it has also completely changed for femininity too. Just look at body images of women over the past 20/25 years. The waxed chest emo hair guy just wants a duck lippped make-up coated stick of a woman.
You know what? That is a very fair statement. I agree but still dont understand it but it is what it is.
Thanks. I don't understand it either, but it is what it is. All I can tell you is no wax will touch this chest.0 -
Here is a question:
Do you think that Chuck Norris is a MAN?
My answer: no.
In fact, I'M CALLING YOU OUT NORRIS!
hahah! this is great.0 -
I think what it comes down to is that old school guys and new school guys need to just see that we are different from each other and respect each other for being different. Also people need to quit fighting and calling people names over things they do themselves. People are not perfect. Some people speak their minds and others dont. Some like to be PC and others dont. Some like to dress certain ways and wether we understand it or not, we need to respect that even if we dont get it. Stereotyping lifters for being big arrogant jerks, stereotyping women for their clothes thinking they are sluts, saying eeeeew to short men and fat men, and people stereotyping hipsters for looking like women is the same thing.
I can cosign this- however, you WERE judging 'hipsters' earlier, right??
I just cant understand it. I dont get it but hey, its their thing. Have you not ever seen a girl wearing something strange and say "wow". Some of these guys do wear some outrageous stuff. To be honest, I would have never had said anything about them if they were not d*cks to people who are not like them. People only care about how they are treated and not how they treat others. That is not right. I am judging my p*ssy friends for getting ran over.0 -
Men are doing what women were doing back in the say with have small dogs, small cars, eating salads instead of fries, skinny jeans, purses, opting for frees-by instead of throwing a football, reading books at the pool instead of swimming, drinking fruity drinks, listening to boy groups like One Direction instead of man music, going with other guys to watch romantic comedies, talking about feelings, and opting for pink instead of other colors.
So basically, what this boils down to, is that there is a fear among some men that they will become more like women or non-heterosexual men.
Because what the above describes is possibly (gasp!) man with interests outside of his pre-defined "gender roles" (men want to read? say it isnt so!) or a possibly homosexual man who enjoys small salads and pink shirts and purses ... ?
Also: I think what you may be afraid of is possibly what is known as "metrosexuals" or "hipsters". Or metrosexual hipsters. Basically anything outside of the straight male stereotype.
"like One Direction instead of man music"
If I may ask ... what exactly is "man music"?0 -
Of course. I see less and less men wanting to take care of their children and family. Some men would rather play in the street than grow up and take responbility for their lives and the lives of their loved ones. So yes, masculinity is in a crisis in America.
Go read some books or studies, actually its the opposite, men are becoming more and more the sole caregiver and taking charge of the children so the women can live their social life. Also many women hand over their children over to their parents. Their are many studies and stats on this. I know most of my single guy friends with children are the sole provider, the mothers are not in the picture. Get your facts straight. Women have changed just like men have over the years. Wether we like it or not, people have changed.
Umm, no. Sure- there may be SOME POS mothers out there- lord knows i've come across a few. But there are also many of us SINGLE mothers who are the ONLY provider for our children. My son has been taken care of since day one by ME- His dad has only met him once (my son is 2 and a half) - he's out there knocking up numerous women (cheated on me and got other girls pregnant) and then ditching them and his children....but that can't be said for all men. SOME MEN do take care of their families- but a LOT do not.
Correct me if I'm wrong but what I gathered from your reply was that there are poor parents from both sexes and that there are good parents from both sexes.
Right, what part confused you?
The part where you said
I would beg to differ. In my experience, I have seen more women manipulate the system. An example would be 2 of my friends who's fine fathers. Their ex's use the system to take every possible penny out of them in the name of child support and what not even though they both take care of their respective child and the kids are rarely with their moms. The moms on the other hand spend most of the time living basically a single life.SOME MEN do take care of their families- but a LOT do not.
Now one can say that my experience is an isolated or a rare one and that would be fine. However, what I would say is that while there are d-bags in both sexes, there ARE many good fathers (and mothers) out there who're doing the right thing. So don't bash on most men when in reality, most men do like to take care of their kids and families.0 -
I think what it comes down to is that old school guys and new school guys need to just see that we are different from each other and respect each other for being different. Also people need to quit fighting and calling people names over things they do themselves. People are not perfect. Some people speak their minds and others dont. Some like to be PC and others dont. Some like to dress certain ways and wether we understand it or not, we need to respect that even if we dont get it. Stereotyping lifters for being big arrogant jerks, stereotyping women for their clothes thinking they are sluts, saying eeeeew to short men and fat men, and people stereotyping hipsters for looking like women is the same thing.
Wow dude.... after nearly 500 posts I think you're getting it.
People are different. How they treat each other is what is important.... not what haircut they have or what music they listen to or what jeans they wear... or who they sleep with. There's good and bad people in every walk of life. Good hipsters and bad hipsters. Nice women and nastly women. Dumb bodybuilders and very slightly less dumb bodybuilders.
Live and let live.0 -
I think the view of masculinity has changed considerably in society. IN GENERAL, people use to think hairy chest, loose jeans, boots, and a guy sweating while he was doing work was sexy. What's sexy now? Justin Beiber, waxed chests, emo hair. Keep in mind I'm just pointing out generalities, I understand specific people have different tastes.
So no, I don't think there is a lack of masculinity, I just think what's acceptable or how it's viewed has changed.
On a side note, it has also completely changed for femininity too. Just look at body images of women over the past 20/25 years. The waxed chest emo hair guy just wants a duck lippped make-up coated stick of a woman.
You know what? That is a very fair statement. I agree but still dont understand it but it is what it is.
Thanks. I don't understand it either, but it is what it is. All I can tell you is no wax will touch this chest.
It is ok that we dont understand it. Nothing wrong with it. Wax wont touch mine either. I think many people on here are just hostile and like to fight.0 -
It can be said that you can see what a man is made of when the *kitten* hits the fan. During a time of action when what they are used to is broken (gf is pregnant, war, alien invasion, zombie apocalypse, Black Friday sale at Wal*Mart) is when you can see the character of a man. Where the guise of what society expects of a man is removed and he must act on his own will. Not the weights he has lifted or the beers he has drunk.
EXACTLY!
Why cant it be all of them including the weights and beer? I love beer. Why is everyone so uptight and sensitive? So is it wrong for men to call anther guy a p**sy for not being able to eat the hottest hot wings in a joking manner? Is picking on your guy friends bad now? Everyone is so scare they are going to hurt someone's feelings. I am not touching the military or the dads out there because they are more of a man than me, it takes a real man to go through those things. I am man, there are many things the defines a man. There is no need to bash people who lift, that is stereotyping people and if im correct, isnt that what most people on this thread mad about? Some my friends are into lifting and they are some of the nicest guys out there, yeah some are jerks and always try send women pics of their p*nis but not all are like that. They just take pride in their body, its no different than the women who are bulking up. As for being sexist, im seeing it going both ways on here. Double standards. Also there are some women on this thread I recognize from other threads making fun of women how they dress too.
His post wasn't saying that men who drink beer or lift weights are any less of a man- just that those aren't what DEFINE a man.
All I know is, I need a beer, this has been one stressful thread. Too bad we all cant go out for beers.
Remember man, these people are just words on a screen. They can be as stressful or as unstressful as you make it out to be. All everyone is doing on here is voicing their opinions, and some do it more passionately than others. Just take 5 and have that beer, hell have one for me too. In the end, we're all entitled to our opinions and in the end, this can be all over by turning off the screen.
cheers :drinker:
Amen brother. Though, you should see the messages I got. lol.0 -
Nice edit. Worried you were going to get modded?
Yes.It has nothing to do with what's trendy. What I have seen on this thread is a lot of very vain men trying to make out that the fact that they have a penis magically makes them superior to women, and that is deeply offensive, and more than a bit dumb. We are all humans, we are all equal and we all have the right to be whoever the hell we want to be without anyone else telling us what to do.
That is the entire sum of it.
Ahh, here it is. The insecurity and bitterness because of experiences in your life. Where exactly did I ever mention superiority? No, you associate muscles with a few men you've met along the way who were ****s and treated you poorly. There is the crux of it.
And what you just said about being whoever we want to be, was exactly my point. If I want to count calories, lift weights in a controlled environment, etc..so be it. That does not make me feminine. On the contrary, doing what I want and being confident in my pursuits is precisely the defining characteristic of a man (or a woman)
Not in the slightest, I'm afraid. I have been with my husband since we were teenagers. I haven't had a lot to do with other men, besides my friends. In fact the worst men I have encountered are little scrawny short guys with something to prove.
It's the attitudes on this website I am talking about. I have seen more sexism and offensive opinions on here than in 35 years of living in the UK.
Tisk tisk. You just said you scrawny short guys with something to prove,. That is judging and demeaning. Just saying. So does that make you sexist? Some could take that as being judgemental and degrading to short men. Not all short men have something to prove. Just saying.
I didn't say they did.
Guess what? I didnt say jack about women either nor did I say that looking gay was bad either. I was just saying I dont understand it but women ran with it and started name calling. I never said anyone should dominate others either. Yes, I think some men should be more of a man and stand up to people and taking crap. No one, man or woman should put up with crap. Alot of women on here put words in me and some other's mouths and then called us names. Grow up people, you have no right to say we are bashing people based on what they wear and then you bash us for alot of things. Quit being a hypocrite, you know you women have made fun of other women for what they are wearing. I see women make fun of people all the time, whats the difference? You judge other women the same way we do hipsters, get off your high horse and stop it. I need a beer after all this arguing.
You seem to be confusing me with the entire female sex.0 -
It is ok that we dont understand it. Nothing wrong with it. Wax wont touch mine either. I think many people on here are just hostile and like to fight.
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Of course. I see less and less men wanting to take care of their children and family. Some men would rather play in the street than grow up and take responbility for their lives and the lives of their loved ones. So yes, masculinity is in a crisis in America.
Go read some books or studies, actually its the opposite, men are becoming more and more the sole caregiver and taking charge of the children so the women can live their social life. Also many women hand over their children over to their parents. Their are many studies and stats on this. I know most of my single guy friends with children are the sole provider, the mothers are not in the picture. Get your facts straight. Women have changed just like men have over the years. Wether we like it or not, people have changed.
Umm, no. Sure- there may be SOME POS mothers out there- lord knows i've come across a few. But there are also many of us SINGLE mothers who are the ONLY provider for our children. My son has been taken care of since day one by ME- His dad has only met him once (my son is 2 and a half) - he's out there knocking up numerous women (cheated on me and got other girls pregnant) and then ditching them and his children....but that can't be said for all men. SOME MEN do take care of their families- but a LOT do not.
Correct me if I'm wrong but what I gathered from your reply was that there are poor parents from both sexes and that there are good parents from both sexes.
Right, what part confused you?
The part where you said
I would beg to differ. In my experience, I have seen more women manipulate the system. An example would be 2 of my friends who's fine fathers. Their ex's use the system to take every possible penny out of them in the name of child support and what not even though they both take care of their respective child and the kids are rarely with their moms. The moms on the other hand spend most of the time living basically a single life.SOME MEN do take care of their families- but a LOT do not.
Now one can say that my experience is an isolated or a rare one and that would be fine. However, what I would say is that while there are d-bags in both sexes, there ARE many good fathers (and mothers) out there who're doing the right thing. So don't bash on most men when in reality, most men do like to take care of their kids and families.
Mkay, I didn't say MOST men. I said A LOT...Which is the truth. There are a LOT of 'men' who create kids and then bail. Just like there are a lot of WOMEN who lay down and make a baby and turn out to be POS mothers...believe me, i've seen many of BOTH. I don't know why my statement confused you- but I hope that clears it up. I know MANY men who are GREAT fathers- there are bad seeds in both (men and women) and it's unfortunate b/c the children haven't done anything to deserve it.0 -
Don't you have some woman to make a sandwich for?
know your place!
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It can be said that you can see what a man is made of when the *kitten* hits the fan. During a time of action when what they are used to is broken (gf is pregnant, war, alien invasion, zombie apocalypse, Black Friday sale at Wal*Mart) is when you can see the character of a man. Where the guise of what society expects of a man is removed and he must act on his own will. Not the weights he has lifted or the beers he has drunk.
EXACTLY!
Why cant it be all of them including the weights and beer? I love beer. Why is everyone so uptight and sensitive? So is it wrong for men to call anther guy a p**sy for not being able to eat the hottest hot wings in a joking manner? Is picking on your guy friends bad now? Everyone is so scare they are going to hurt someone's feelings. I am not touching the military or the dads out there because they are more of a man than me, it takes a real man to go through those things. I am man, there are many things the defines a man. There is no need to bash people who lift, that is stereotyping people and if im correct, isnt that what most people on this thread mad about? Some my friends are into lifting and they are some of the nicest guys out there, yeah some are jerks and always try send women pics of their p*nis but not all are like that. They just take pride in their body, its no different than the women who are bulking up. As for being sexist, im seeing it going both ways on here. Double standards. Also there are some women on this thread I recognize from other threads making fun of women how they dress too.
His post wasn't saying that men who drink beer or lift weights are any less of a man- just that those aren't what DEFINE a man.
All I know is, I need a beer, this has been one stressful thread. Too bad we all cant go out for beers.
Remember man, these people are just words on a screen. They can be as stressful or as unstressful as you make it out to be. All everyone is doing on here is voicing their opinions, and some do it more passionately than others. Just take 5 and have that beer, hell have one for me too. In the end, we're all entitled to our opinions and in the end, this can be all over by turning off the screen.
cheers :drinker:
Amen brother. Though, you should see the messages I got. lol.
Trust me, I've been at the end of a heated argument too. Roll it off your shoulders, its all good bro.0 -
havent gone thru all the pages yet but heres my popcorn
I'll add my personal favorite to this little gallery:I think both/all genders need to get over themselves and be accepting but...
...I'm just gonna wait for the fireworks.
You beat me to it! Have another:
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Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
1. There is a change, men are taking advantage of women being equal and now they don't have to be assertive in a relationship, I don't think that constitutes a crisis though.
2. This is absolutely not unique to America.0 -
I think the view of masculinity has changed considerably in society. IN GENERAL, people use to think hairy chest, loose jeans, boots, and a guy sweating while he was doing work was sexy. What's sexy now? Justin Beiber, waxed chests, emo hair. Keep in mind I'm just pointing out generalities, I understand specific people have different tastes.
So no, I don't think there is a lack of masculinity, I just think what's acceptable or how it's viewed has changed.
On a side note, it has also completely changed for femininity too. Just look at body images of women over the past 20/25 years. The waxed chest emo hair guy just wants a duck lippped make-up coated stick of a woman.
You know what? That is a very fair statement. I agree but still dont understand it but it is what it is.
Thanks. I don't understand it either, but it is what it is. All I can tell you is no wax will touch this chest.
I can understand it (well, not really). There is a shift change of how things are. Back in the days people have ridiculous disco music and hair and clothing. We have a different thing now. Its just how times are and that is fine. Time changes and its usually a good thing.
What does worry me is the increasing number of men who're basically being neutered by society or women or by other men. A man cannot look at women without being called pervert but a women checking out a guy is called a free-spirit or wild girl.
More and more little things are taken away from men which is causing a decreased number of testosterone in men (this is proven scientifically).0 -
I think what it comes down to is that old school guys and new school guys need to just see that we are different from each other and respect each other for being different. Also people need to quit fighting and calling people names over things they do themselves. People are not perfect. Some people speak their minds and others dont. Some like to be PC and others dont. Some like to dress certain ways and wether we understand it or not, we need to respect that even if we dont get it. Stereotyping lifters for being big arrogant jerks, stereotyping women for their clothes thinking they are sluts, saying eeeeew to short men and fat men, and people stereotyping hipsters for looking like women is the same thing.
Wow dude.... after nearly 500 posts I think you're getting it.
People are different. How they treat each other is what is important.... not what haircut they have or what music they listen to or what jeans they wear... or who they sleep with. There's good and bad people in every walk of life. Good hipsters and bad hipsters. Nice women and nastly women. Dumb bodybuilders and very slightly less dumb bodybuilders.
Live and let live.
I got it from the beginning but you are missing the point. I dont like them because of what they look like. I dont like them because they have only been d*cks to me and many others who dont look like them. I am getting the lecture about judging others based on looks, they should also get the lecture cause they judge others based on looks too. I am totally open to being friends with nice hipsters, but I havnt met one. I obviously dont care about how they dress, my gay friends dress that way and I dont mind. The difference is my gay friends are nice and awesome but all the hipsters ive met are smug and rude and judgmental so yeah, its hard to be a fan after the things ive seen. When you see one be rude to an handicap woman and elderly, yeah it makes me want to punch them in the face. Like you said, there are good and bad hipsters but im still waiting to meet some nice ones who are not smug. Even in Wiki, it states attitude is part of their lifestyle.0 -
Yeah, people got mad about this thread but look at this thread. Hmmmmmmm. I guess that is ok because she is a woman.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/705380-i-hate-fat-people-rant0 -
Yeah, people got mad about this thread but look at this thread. Hmmmmmmm. I guess that is ok because she is a woman.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/705380-i-hate-fat-people-rant
:noway: What a **** !! I hadn't seen that one- but it does seem she caught some grief.0 -
Yeah, people got mad about this thread but look at this thread. Hmmmmmmm. I guess that is ok because she is a woman.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/705380-i-hate-fat-people-rant
I call that just being plain mean.
Thats like saying "I dont mean to offend you but..." Just because someone says a small disclaimer, doesnt make it any less offensive.
If a man or woman said that, it would evoke the same reaction. Because I tend to not let rants and name calling over the internet get to me, it evoked little to no response. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a little courtesy and compassion when letting your opinion be known (eg. acting civil) goes a long way in my book.0 -
Does this really need a part 2? The first one got pretty heated. I can't see this ending any better0
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Does this really need a part 2? The first one got pretty heated. I can't see this ending any better
Stop whining and act like a man.
I sound like Brando.
I f--kin' love The Godfather.0 -
Yeah, people got mad about this thread but look at this thread. Hmmmmmmm. I guess that is ok because she is a woman.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/705380-i-hate-fat-people-rant
Nope, but that's possibly a "troll" thread (maybe not, but it could be). Also, if you read through the posts, you'll see people disagreeing with her too.
And it isn't because she's a woman, it's probably because her post was ignorant and filled with ridiculousness.0 -
Yeah, people got mad about this thread but look at this thread. Hmmmmmmm. I guess that is ok because she is a woman.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/705380-i-hate-fat-people-rant
Nope, but that's possibly a "troll" thread (maybe not, but it could be). Also, if you read through the posts, you'll see people disagreeing with her too.
And it isn't because she's a woman, it's probably because her post was ignorant and filled with ridiculousness.
It was also deleted.0 -
Does this really need a part 2? The first one got pretty heated. I can't see this ending any better
Stop whining and act like a man.
I sound like Brando.
I f--kin' love The Godfather.
The Godfather is awesome.0 -
Does this really need a part 2? The first one got pretty heated. I can't see this ending any better
Stop whining and act like a man.
I sound like Brando.
I f--kin' love The Godfather.
The Godfather is awesome.
I saw that as a child, babysitter had me watch it for some reason. Had nightmares of horse heads in beds for a few nights, but since then, its a staple of Hollywood legend for sure.
Anyone ever play the game for it? Even the game was badass.0 -
Does this really need a part 2? The first one got pretty heated. I can't see this ending any better
Stop whining and act like a man.
I sound like Brando.
I f--kin' love The Godfather.
The Godfather is awesome.
I saw that as a child, babysitter had me watch it for some reason. Had nightmares of horse heads in beds for a few nights, but since then, its a staple of Hollywood legend for sure.
Anyone ever play the game for it? Even the game was badass.
Yes! The game was BA. I loved the movie, but the books were hands down amazing. Even the sequel (but not the trequel spin-off)0
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