Lance Armstrong admits to cheating.
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On the drive home, I also had this thought: are we really to believe that a guy who fought cancer, and pushed through countless barriers to win seven Tour de Frances is 'tired' of fighting the USADA? Or is it because he knows he will lose?0
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Let's look at history quickly. Which athletes that has been accused of using enhancement denied it only later having to recant once actual evidence of it was put out on the table? McGwire, Sosa, Marion Jones, Bonds, Palmiero, etc. were all high profile athletes suspected of enhancement and had evidence against them for it, but all have denied or haven't admitted to enhancement.
Really I could care less if they did since they are adults and knowing how doping is in sports, very few are "clean" athletes. I believe that Armstrong was enhanced. Just like I believe that Nolan Ryan and Ricky Henderson were enhanced. Just like I believe several Olympic athletes are enhanced.
This really isn't new news. It's been going on since the 40's.
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How the heck didn't he get caught over all those years ESPECIALLY with them trying so hard to catch him. If he cheated, they would have found it. I don't think he cheated... I think he's that good.
Using this logic, Bolt must be a cheater too, right?
Bolts trainer had a name change so hard to follow. His trainer is well known in doping circles.0 -
Kind of hypocrite society we live in. Everybody in sports cheats literally. Those scumbags in the government should clean their freaking closets before trying to clean up somebody else's *kitten*. Same people he raced with cheated too and lost to him. Nothing ever changes with sports in this era or the next. Everyone will be cheat but I guess you are only a cheater when you are caught.
Anyone who hasn't watched it - Go watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster". Drug use in society from very public figures has been rife for a long, long time. And people who believe otherwise are very deluded.
Now that's not to say the people who didn't take X steroid or X performance enhancing drug didn't work their backsides off... It does mean that they got an advantage over clean people for being able to recover from the harder training faster though.
Oh - the documentary also gives quite an interesting insight into supplements, and the 'difference' between clean athletes, and athletes who are seen to be 'cheating'...0 -
Is, was and always has been guilty
Cycling is really badly effected by it, I think they should just let them all take whatever they want, then the best athlete would win0 -
Is, was and always has been guilty
Cycling is really badly effected by it, I think they should just let them all take whatever they want, then the best athlete would win
Not necessarily the best athlete - the one with the most money who was willing to take bigger risks, maybe.0 -
Disturbing that he is still in denial, as his non-denial denial statement confirms.
I've actually met him once at a corporate event (he was one of our speakers). He's a great guy, done so much for cancer patients.
But the evidence against him now seems overwhelming. He had the chance to fight it, but has chosen to disengage from the process. That is a tacit admission of guilt. As someone noted, he's not the kind of guy to give up a fight. So I think the writing was on the wall, and he knew it.
Yes, many did it at the time. But it's one thing to go along, it's another to continue to lie about it, which is what now seems likely.
He's only human. Overall, he's done a lot of good for a lot of people. I still think he's a hero, although clearly a tarnished one.
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Is, was and always has been guilty
Cycling is really badly effected by it, I think they should just let them all take whatever they want, then the best athlete would win
Not necessarily the best athlete - the one with the most money who was willing to take bigger risks, maybe.
Sure the one with the most money has a massive say as it is. If they all were allowed take all the banned substances they wanted, it would level the playing field between the honest/dishonest0 -
How do you cheat in a bicycle race?!0
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How do you cheat in a bicycle race?!
Blood doping, to increase the amount of oxygen your blood can carry...
Steroids, to increase the ability of your body to recover from harder training...
Stimulants, to increase your ability to respond.
All of these are used in various sports to improve performance - cycling is no different.0 -
Travis Tygart runs a kangaroo court. He is taking hearsay from known dopers as evidence and is ignoring the thousands of drugs tests that Armstrong did. The witnesses the USADA has, stand to gain in sport by their testimony. Tygart is ignoring the 2 year court case that Armstrong went through that said he was "not guilty"
I can fully understand Lance Armstrong not participating in Tygart's farce, as there is no way he could ever win. They will not allow his past drug testing as evidence.
Why waste valuable time and money over what a US judge has said is a load of BS .0 -
Really OP - What in tasking some responsibility when you report something you have read!!
NO - He has NOT admitted to cheating!!! Being persecuted by people is very different to admitting to cheating (or cheating)....
In the end of the day he has NEVER - EVER failed any drug tests.......0 -
What a moronic thread title. He got tired of the witch hunt. He passed hundreds of drug tests. He admitted nothing you idiot. Get a freakin life0
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Travis Tygart runs a kangaroo court. He is taking hearsay from known dopers as evidence and is ignoring the thousands of drugs tests that Armstrong did. The witnesses the USADA has, stand to gain in sport by their testimony. Tygart is ignoring the 2 year court case that Armstrong went through that said he was "not guilty"
I can fully understand Lance Armstrong not participating in Tygart's farce, as there is no way he could ever win. They will not allow his past drug testing as evidence.
Why waste valuable time and money over what a US judge has said is a load of BS .
Right. Lets bring this into perspective here.
There are LOTS of ways to 'cheat' - without necessarily breaking the rules. You merely bend them.
For instance - instead of blood doping with drugs/blood transfusions...
...You sleep every night in an altitude chamber. Which will force your body to adapt and increase your ability to carry oxygen.
The USA have an olympic training camp at 5000 feet. Does this make them as a country cheaters because they do this vs countries that don't have these facilities?
Sports, as much as people would like to believe, are NOT a level playing field. People will always find ways of increasing their performance. And unless ALL competitors trained in the exact same environments, then really it's always going to be a skewed competition towards the people with the most resources.0 -
TBH the testing is a joke. Its very easy to pass the tests anyway. Same with any sport. Absolute farce.0
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Such a disappointment. I'm disappointed if he cheated and I'm disappointed if he didn't cheat but gave up fighting for clearing his name. I don't know all the facts, we probably never will but when you quit fighting your admitting guilt (atleast that's the case most of the time) I wonder if any of his wins were clean, either way I'm sure he'll be stripped of all of them. I absolutely love cycling and I pray one day we have a cleaner sport. It is truely a beautiful sport. I'm already counting down until next years tour
"but when you quit fighting your admitting guilt".....no, you are not admitting anything. If he was admitting it he would just come out and say he was admitting it.
When you no longer respect an organization you no longer care what their opinion is.
If he doesn't give a rat's *kitten* about these people any more he wouldn't want to waste any more time talking to them or having to justify his dominance in the sport.
Like any wacked-out conspiracy theory you have no hope of proving it wrong, so you just walk away from it.0 -
maybe he is just tired of the Witch hunt they are on. even the strongest person can get wore down.. there are people out there that say he did and say he didnt.. He has never failed a drug test in all his years of competing. Most of the drug tests are random,, so draw your own conclusions.. have a nice day0
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There is so much politic and plain unjust treatment in sport. Look at the GB Olympic Taekwondo travesty!?
Sometimes the fight is futile however right and it's best to move on0 -
maybe he is just tired of the Witch hunt they are on. even the strongest person can get wore down.. there are people out there that say he did and say he didnt.. He has never failed a drug test in all his years of competing. Most of the drug tests are random,, so draw your own conclusions.. have a nice day
This...0 -
he said:
In a statement sent to the AP, Armstrong said: “Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities.”
Did he cheat? I don't know. Did he ADMIT TO CHEATING? I've read nothing that suggests he has.
^This.
Agreed. I believe he's taking the attitude of "whether you believe me or not moot point at this juncture." Makes me wonder, though, if he'd been "doping it up" since the 90s, why "run tell dat" now? Hmmmm....0 -
What really matters is that Lance knows what he has achieved in his life of cycling. He doesent need the medals to prove it. He has tested clean every time . There are more important things he is doing in his life right now than to continue to fight over this.
I dont think it is a disapointment that he is giving up the fight. At some point there is a time to say enough is enough. If people look down on him as less of an inspiration then that is their problem. I imagine the people that matter wont be so judgemental.
I will always look up to him for his hard work and dedication. If later it comes out that he truly did use those drugs....i will still look up to him for his hard work and dedication.0 -
There should be a statute of limitations - prove the charges within 3 years of the alleged offense or don't. Period. These athletes are tested after EVERY race - and anecdotal information doesn't get MORE reliable after a decade. And for God's sweet sake, do not waste MY money with Congressional Hearings! If we have another circus like the baseball steroid debate, I don't know what I'll do...0
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he said:
In a statement sent to the AP, Armstrong said: “Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities.”
Did he cheat? I don't know. Did he ADMIT TO CHEATING? I've read nothing that suggests he has.
This!!
I live in Belgium where, for many, Eddy Merckx is a god, and even he faced doping charges- Eddy always defended Lance and, if Lance is good enough for Eddy, then he is good enough for the Belgians- one of the few places where the people are truly passionate about the sport
sometimes you simply can't win against agencies like the USADA and the amount of time and money involved may simply not be worth it considering the appeal rights are limited for the athlete0 -
There should be a statute of limitations - prove the charges within 3 years of the alleged offense or don't. Period. These athletes are tested after EVERY race - and anecdotal information doesn't get MORE reliable after a decade. And for God's sweet sake, do not waste MY money with Congressional Hearings! If we have another circus like the baseball steroid debate, I don't know what I'll do...
this as well!0 -
Why is everyone freaking out about this? It is a well known fact that most every cyclist in the Tour de France 'cheats' and uses dope...why exactly are they singling Lance Armstrong out when cheating is actually the norm?0
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I'm actually kind of pissed that my (and your) tax dollars have been spend on this. I am also pissed that the USADA exists at all. I do not think we should be paying so beaurocratic blowhards money to pretend they are the governing body of all sports. Like one poster said, them stripping his titles is like me saying I'm stripping their titles.
This is from the USADA's web site: "The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognized USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I checked the Tour de France is not part of the Olympics.0 -
I'm actually kind of pissed that my (and your) tax dollars have been spend on this. I am also pissed that the USADA exists at all. I do not think we should be paying so beaurocratic blowhards money to pretend they are the governing body of all sports. Like one poster said, them stripping his titles is like me saying I'm stripping their titles.
This is from the USADA's web site: "The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognized USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I checked the Tour de France is not part of the Olympics.
Not only this, but the US olympic committee advocate training methods that produce the same physiological response as blood doping anyway.
My point is, sport is not a level playing field. And never will be. People will always find methods of improving their performance - the question is at which point do you say it's not fair? People claiming doping etc is a pointless exercise because even if someone claims it, who is to say that someone else isn't working their way around the rules regardless WITHOUT doping?0 -
so if he's innocent hes going to let them strip him of everything he's won? nobody would do that. nobody would give you their legacy.
Why not? I'm not saying he's guilty OR innocent. I don't know that. But sometimes, just as he said....There comes a point in every man’s life when he has to say, ‘Enough is enough.’ For me, that time is now,” Armstrong said in a statement sent to The Associated Press. He called the USADA investigation an “unconstitutional witch hunt.”
“I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999,” he said. “The toll this has taken on my family and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today — finished with this nonsense.”
If you've never been in another person's shoes, you don't know how something would affect you. Sometimes walking away from your fame, your pride, your ego, money, even what you may very well have earned and been awarded isn't worth the heartache and hardship on your relationships or your sanity. If he's innocent, yet accused, the repercusions could be far worse for him than if he hadn't just walked away from all this. I'm not saying he's doing the right thing, or the wrong thing. But what I am saying is, let the man make his own choices.0 -
It's been nothing but a witch hunt from the day he made his come back from cancer and won his first title. If an athlete passes any required drug test (which he did MANY times) in any sport that's where it should end period! To me the whole sport of cycling will never be able to lose the image of cheaters. Everyone that wins the tour will always be looked at or at least be thought of as a possible cheater. The cycling organization is just adding fuel to that fire by taking these allegations to the extent they have in my mind.0
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he said:
In a statement sent to the AP, Armstrong said: “Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities.”
Did he cheat? I don't know. Did he ADMIT TO CHEATING? I've read nothing that suggests he has.
^This.
^ I agree!0
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