Lance Armstrong admits to cheating.
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The topic was an opps. Read the thread and you'll see that stated.
As I have said,
Honestly. Do you think with ZERO evidence they would strip him.... come on people. They are not stripping an international icon and amazing athlete, if they got nothing.
Yes, absolutely. It isnt the cycling committee condemning him. This committee cares nothing for the actual sport and has no vested interest in cycling. It is purely an anti doping agency. Nothing more.0 -
So every person in this case is a liar except Armstrong?0
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In my heart, I know he did this on his own. He deserves every one of those seven wins! The USADA have been relentless in coming after this guy. This is one person fighting a huge organization with vast resources intent on destroying his legacy. Despite that, he has rebuilt himself. Regardless of this surrender, he has maintained his innocence and continues to inspire cancer survivors.
"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong."
Live Strong, Lance.0 -
The topic was an opps. Read the thread and you'll see that stated.
As I have said,
Honestly. Do you think with ZERO evidence they would strip him.... come on people. They are not stripping an international icon and amazing athlete, if they got nothing.
Yes, absolutely. It isnt the cycling committee condemning him. This committee cares nothing for the actual sport and has no vested interest in cycling. It is purely an anti doping agency. Nothing more.
Of course the committee has no special interests....exactly... they are an anti-coping organization.... which is what they are accusing him of... If they were a group with a special interest in cycling I would have more concern.
I get that people are upset because he is such an icon and has done amazing things regarding raising money for cancer but rules are rules. Athletes know the consequences.
I guess what it boils down to is whether or not you believe he was doping. Some people do, some don't. Maybe time will tell....0 -
He is fighting against a group that is choosing to use its resources on a witch hunt against him, whom they tested more than any athlete ever and were unable to ever catch cheating. They turned it from finding proof he cheated to forcing him to prove he didn't and they weren't going to take the passed drug tests as evidence. He has used his own money to defend himself to the tune of MILLIONS of dollars and they had him set up in a situation in which he could not win no matter how innocent.
He has more important things to do. Like continue to be the most effective fund raiser and advocate ever for those suffering from and surviving cancer.
Too bad the USADA is so obsessed with him they aren't dealing with the cheats out there that do test positive.
And a perspective from someone who covers the sport.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8299180/lance-armstrong-decision-not-fight-usada-charges-mark-surprising-end-all-time-great-fighter0 -
Honestly. Do you think with ZERO evidence they would strip him.... come on people. They are not stripping an international icon and amazing athlete, if they got nothing.
Yes, Lance has done some amazing things in his life, and that's wonderful but it doesn't come into play with this subject. Same goes for the not so nice personal life issues, as well as the theory "if everyones doing it, I can do it"
He tested positive to 3 tests. However, after a large donation made by Lance to the laboratory..... only 1 test could be found.
10 of his ex -team mates at this time are willing to testify against him. Armstrong sued to block the case against him, but his suit was rejected Monday. Instead of having the world listen to ALL the testimony, he’s decided to let his legacy fall where it may.
this is pretty much exactly it.0 -
to all who say he never failed a test...im pretty sure thats wrong. on the radio they were saying Sports Illustrated had an article where he failed tests and made a donation to the lab and it was stricken.
the guy is dirty.0 -
Unless he's released a statement I've not yet seen, I don't read anything in his reaction statement as "admitting". I read it as being sick and tired of defending himself, and full out refusing to give further comments.0
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The "I'm not gong to fight it" is the equivalent of a No Lo plea in the law. It's treated as pleading guilty.
There are 10 wtnesses who would have testified that they saw him shoot up before races.0 -
to all who say he never failed a test...im pretty sure thats wrong. on the radio they were saying Sports Illustrated had an article where he failed tests and made a donation to the lab and it was stricken.
the guy is dirty.
right. 2001. that's one of the things that was going to be brought up here very soon. at least one former teammate had knowledge of this happening. he had a personal meeting with the head of the UCI in switzerland. Then, a $125,000 donation later, the head of the lab was instructed to quit looking into the test. he swore to that to the FBI.
also, as I said earlier, his soigneur said that in 1999, the team forged a back-dated prescription to explain a positive test after the first stage of that Tour.
look. if Armstrong didn't dope then he's the only high-level, winning cyclist who didn't. That takes a pretty big leap of faith.
I don't buy this whole, "the fight's too hard so I'll quit" stuff.
"I doped. And I apologize. Unfortunately, everyone in that era did the same." -- or something like that would have been a good apology about 5 years ago.0 -
(and the argument that he didn't have the money to fight this? that's just plain wrong. he's said he has enough money in the bank to live comfortably and take care of his kids and his kids' kids. he has a house in colorado, one in texas and is building one in hawaii. I think he's got a decent checking account balance.)0
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In my heart, I know he did this on his own. He deserves every one of those seven wins!
This right here should put and end to the allegations!The USADA have been relentless in coming after this guy. This is one person fighting a huge organization with vast resources intent on destroying his legacy. Despite that, he has rebuilt himself. Regardless of this surrender, he has maintained his innocence and continues to inspire cancer survivors.
It's so unfair that a huge organization would go after a doper and a cheater. You know, unless he actually did it.
[/quote]"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong."
Live Strong, Lance.
You can strengthen them with drugs, however.0 -
If he proceeded with the court he would either had to lie or admit the truth. If he committed perjury he'd be facing jail time ala Marion Jones. If he told the truth, he'd lose more than he has at this point in terms of fans and credibility.
Withdrawing now saves him some face and keeps him out of jail.0 -
and if he admits or is found guilty, he loses LOTS of money. many of his sponsor and endorsement contracts have a clause that say if he was doping, he has to return the cash. hell of a reason to avoid the truth coming out.0
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In my heart, I have no place for your stupid logic and critical thinking!0
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He never admitted to cheating. He just gave up the fight b/c it was taking a toll on him & his family. Did he cheat? Who knows...but it is sad that such a legacy ends in scandal.0
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Is there a particularly unruly parrot in this thread?He never admitted to cheating.
No. But that neither proves nor disproves the allegations.He just gave up the fight b/c it was taking a toll on him & his family.
Actually no. He claims that he just gave up the fight because it was taking a toll on him and his family. That's potentially quite different.Did he cheat? Who knows...but it is sad that such a legacy ends in scandal.
It might be sad that such a legacy was built on doping and cheating.0 -
Perhaps he'll start his own investigation on who murdered his wi... I mean who was doing all the doping.0
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This is very plausible.Thu 08/23/12 07:49 PM
so if he's innocent hes going to let them strip him of everything he's won? nobody would do that. nobody would give you their legacy.
this is probably what is happening. he knows the US anti doping agency has all the evidence it needs and that he will lose. so now he will just try to walk away to leave doubt in some people's minds.
To be very open, it is the first impression I get.
I wish I felt and thought differently than that.
But there is the benefit of the doubt, and that is all I can give him.
Too bad!
I hope he is exonerated if he is innocent!0 -
I think his response is perfect. He is a free man and has the right to defend or not defend himself. Let them tag you as a drug user..who cares. He knows what he has done and his family. He has nothing to prove and he is not under any comand to "inspire" others through bicycling. Lets face it, records get broke all the time and eventually your body runs out. Athletes face this all the time. What matters is what you do now and to me it sounds like he has moved on to more noble work that helps others than a silly bike that got him titles and a medal. True acts that inspire others to better than themselves.0
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I think his response is perfect. He is a free man and has the right to defend or not defend himself. Let them tag you as a drug user..who cares. He knows what he has done and his family. He has nothing to prove and he is not under any comand to "inspire" others through bicycling. Lets face it, records get broke all the time and eventually your body runs out. Athletes face this all the time. What matters is what you do now and to me it sounds like he has moved on to more noble work that helps others than a silly bike that got him titles and a medal. True acts that inspire others to better than themselves.
Yes, it is a perfect response. He keeps most of his money, stays out of jail, and keeps a few shreds of dignity and the sympathy of some.
Great tactical moves but I would't expect less than that from him. Like you say, he knows what he has done.0 -
I never liked the guy and always had my suspicions.0
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He's free, but pursued.I think his response is perfect. He is a free man and has the right to defend or not defend himself. Let them tag you as a drug user..who cares. He knows what he has done and his family. He has nothing to prove and he is not under any comand to "inspire" others through bicycling. Lets face it, records get broke all the time and eventually your body runs out. Athletes face this all the time. What matters is what you do now and to me it sounds like he has moved on to more noble work that helps others than a silly bike that got him titles and a medal. True acts that inspire others to better than themselves.
Sticks and stone may break my bones but names will never hurt me? No, not if the label sticks.
The sport was NOT only about him and his personal satisfaction ( or even HE wouldn't find it interesting lol!)
His cycling pursuit didn't matter anyway?? and it was a pointless pursuit??
The sport was about MUCH MORE than a "silly bike that got him titles and a medal." That is an absurd thing to say.0 -
I also have to say I support Lance in his decision to focus on his organization rather than the "witch hunt". His organization has helped me and countless others, and for that I am grateful.
I read a few years back how Greg LeMond was a big pusher in this alleged witch hunt. That, too disappoints me. Armstrong may be a cocky SOB ( I would be too if I could race like that), but I have looked at the big picture. USADA is obviously flawed in their drug testing if so many athletes can pass these drug tests. If they are so gung ho at outing people after the fact, why not "man up" and take care of it BEFORE the fact.
just my 2 cents.
^^ agreed!
it has been said several times the reason they dont always catch them before or while they are doing it is because they dont know what the athlete is doing to cheat. a company comes up with a new drug or masking agent and an athlete will start using it and at that time there is no way to detect it. its only later, sometimes after the athlete has retired, that they find out what they are doing and how to test for it.
so just because Lance has retired, again, it doesnt mean he gets a free pass on cheating in the past.
I guess this is where opinions are like butholes everyone has one
I personally believe that it definitely DOES mean he gets a free pass. If they don't have good enough tests to identify the doping, then so be it, but don't automatically presume that he's cheating without the proof. 0 -
Since there are only a select few who actually know the truth, this debate won't be settled on a weight loss forum. Even if he did use performance enhancers,so did a majority of other riders. That still makes him the best of the best 7 years in a row.
true. he's the best cheater cycling has ever known.
I guess all in all this is really a troll post but that being said, to the OP, I can only hope that someday your honor and integrity is put into question and you are given the same presumption of innocence that you so smugly promote here.
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GO Lance!! and wishing him great luck this weekend in Aspen!!! :happy:0
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Not sure why you titled it "admits to cheating" when he never did & you even quoted it...How is sacrificing your own accomplishments to make your family & friends life more tolerable, wrong? The guy has been through SO much the past few years, he doesn't need excess stuff like that to make everything even worse. I say PROPS TO LANCE for standing up for his family & friends, even if it has negative consequences for himself.
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Jesus Christ after not hundreds but thousands of tests for drugs, I think I would tell them FK yea I did it....
Honestly you would think if he really doped up, and it took thousands of tests to find what????? still nothing... they havnt actually proved anything... He finally just said I give.0
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