Lance Armstrong admits to cheating.
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How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used.
my thoughts exactly...
Because he's a liar and a cheat.
You can't be that big of a clean cut hero and expect to only partially lose credibility when the truth comes out.
He was a hero for more than just his cycling, it was the whole package. That has been proven to be broken so faith in him is lost.0 -
Because he's a liar and a cheat.
You can't be that big of a clean cut hero and expect to only partially lose credibility when the truth comes out.
He was a hero for more than just his cycling, it was the whole package. That has been proven to be broken so faith in him is lost.
You probably hated captain america too then (sorry there's been far too much civil debate going on here, I'm not sure what to do with myself). That makes you un-Am'r'c'n!!!!!1!
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Because he's a liar and a cheat.
You can't be that big of a clean cut hero and expect to only partially lose credibility when the truth comes out.
He was a hero for more than just his cycling, it was the whole package. That has been proven to be broken so faith in him is lost.
You probably hated captain america too then (sorry there's been far too much civil debate going on here, I'm not sure what to do with myself). That makes you un-Am'r'c'n!!!!!1!
It's ok, I'm allowed to be un-American being English. Captain Britain ftw lol0 -
It's ok, I'm allowed to be un-American being English. Captain Britain ftw lol
I hope you watch Colbert from across the pond:It's SUPER-MAN not SMASHING-GENT!!!!!0 -
How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used.
my thoughts exactly...
Because he's a liar and a cheat.
You can't be that big of a clean cut hero and expect to only partially lose credibility when the truth comes out.
He was a hero for more than just his cycling, it was the whole package. That has been proven to be broken so faith in him is lost.
yup. and as was pointed out, the guy didn't just use. he was the cycling kingpin of doping, according to 30 people's sworn testimony. and it's already been known through his entire career that he was one of the sport's biggest bullies.
he's done a lot of good. but that good was able to happen because of him winning. he got contracts because he won. he got donations because he won. you can't have one without the other. so good deeds don't get this guy a pass.0 -
and here's the thing ... what he did? all of his wins? people looked at that and said, 'if he can do all that, what can I do?'
but what he did, sadly, was fiction. he didn't do it on his own. he cheated.
he helped a ton of people. but he helped himself as well.
he keeps saying 'I never failed a test?' nope. barry bonds didn't, either. neither did marion jones. and 'never failed a test' isn't the same as 'I didn't do it.'
interesting, too, is now new reports coming out.The Australian Broadcasting Corp. has uncovered court documents indicating that Lance Armstrong offered to bribe other cyclists at a group of races back in 1993, including one in Philly. New Zealand cyclist Steven Swart gave a sworn deposition during a 2006 lawsuit involving Armstrong.
Swart alleged that Armstrong offered an opponent $50,000 to help fix the CoreStates U.S. Pro Cycling race in Philadelphia as well as events in Pittsburgh and West Virginia. The bonus was offered for anyone capturing all three, which Armstrong did.
Swart also emphasized that he was operating under the assumption that Armstrong would have won all of the races anyway, so he saw the $50,000 as a bonus. He says it was divvied up amongst the Coors team.0 -
he said:
In a statement sent to the AP, Armstrong said: “Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities.”
Did he cheat? I don't know. Did he ADMIT TO CHEATING? I've read nothing that suggests he has.
I agree. He still maintains his innocence.....and, in my opinion, rightfully so, as he has passed every single drug test every administered. He simply does not want the stress of dragging this out through the courts and, although I'm sure he;s quite wealthy, lawyers do not come cheap.0 -
who care if he was doped or not?! He didn't molest children and murder a 80 years old woman.
This.
Thank you for the perspective. And yet, they pursue these guys relentlessly until they finally get them to trip up somehow.
That strikes me as unfair. 'You bring in the fans, and then, when we are through with you, we are going to prosecute you for perjury.'
If you are so incensed, change your sport, or stop watching, but do not persecute the winners who play by the, albeit, tacit rules that have been set up.
From what I can tell, bicyclists have always used performance enhancing substances. Eddie Merrckx used amphetamines. Right? And it goes back further than that.
If you are coming up, and you see that just about all the champions used drugs, what are you going to do?
Of course, Lance probably used. How else did he win? How else did the government know with such certainty that if they just kept digging some telltale evidence would show up.
Haven't they voided just about every Tour de France win for the past 20 years because that rider was found to have used drugs during his career?
I believe it is all but a couple. Someone correct me if I am wrong.0 -
Yes, the USada report says that 20 of the 21 riders who finished on the podium during the years Armstrong won have been disqualified for using drugs.
I am guessing the drugs work really well, and that he would not have won if he had not used.
It is not the riders -- sort of. They are simply playing by the rules as they understand them.0 -
Your conclusion that he admitting to cheating is not borne out by any evidence, choosing not to continue the expensive legal fight is not admitting to anything. I think you need to check your logic, it is faulty. In fact, the 500 tests that returned negative is evidence of innocence not guilt.0
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How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used.
my thoughts exactly...
Because he's a liar and a cheat.
You can't be that big of a clean cut hero and expect to only partially lose credibility when the truth comes out.
He was a hero for more than just his cycling, it was the whole package. That has been proven to be broken so faith in him is lost.
yup. and as was pointed out, the guy didn't just use. he was the cycling kingpin of doping, according to 30 people's sworn testimony. and it's already been known through his entire career that he was one of the sport's biggest bullies.
he's done a lot of good. but that good was able to happen because of him winning. he got contracts because he won. he got donations because he won. you can't have one without the other. so good deeds don't get this guy a pass.
I wonder what kind of deal the 30 people who gave sworn testimony got. I don't agree with doping by any stretch but they all did it (do it) and no ones arm was twisted. The fact that it took 12 years to (sort of) pin it on him seems more like a witch hunt then a search for the truth...Yes he's a smug b***tard but he has done a lot for the sport and a lot for cancer research. Not saying its right , its not that b&w either0 -
The UCI handed down a lifetime ban today. Oakley drops him as a sponsor.0
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Gotta love the picture Routers chose for their article on the UCI action:
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The Reuters article:
http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCABRE89L0HC20121022
Looks like the IOC is considering stripping his 2000 bronze medal as well.0 -
this will be a trick question for trivia in a few years.
Q: How many Tours did Lance Armstrong win.
A: 0
if he wasnt such a smug jerk to so many people he'd probably have a lot more people on his side now. my guess is he will be one of the few fallen heros that does not get redemption because he's such a jerk.0 -
If you took all of the people out of professional sports that doped...you would probably have a couple left.0
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He has been stripped of all Tour de France titles, been banned from ever competing again and has never admitted to cheating.
The sad thing about this is that his cycling success had helped to bring success in his Livestrong charity against cancer. I hope for those that are affected by cancer and are/were benefiting in any way from his charity it continues to stay strong.
Did he do it? I don't really care, if so then he is just one of the hundreds that did but one of the few that got caught. I have to go back and think.....if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. There is a reason no one had, until now won seven Tour de France races.0 -
The sad thing about this is that his cycling success had helped to bring success in his Livestrong charity against cancer. I hope for those that are affected by cancer and are/were benefiting in any way from his charity it continues to stay strong.Myth: Lance Armstrong has raised $500 million for cancer research.
Fact: According Gifford’s investigative piece, LiveStrong — the foundation Armstrong helped to establish after suffering testicular cancer — donated only $20 million to cancer research between 1998 and 2005. In 2005, LiveStrong began phasing out its research donation, and since 2010 the charity no longer accepts applications for research grants.
Instead, the lion’s share of the funds raised by LiveStrong, according to Gifford, have gone to fuzzier assistance programs, like “survivorship” and “global awareness,” and for the worthy cause of helping victims in the U.S. negotiate the thickets of the medieval American health-care system, where the simple and effective Canadian-style Medicare system is rejected for the greater profit of insurance companies, drug companies, private hospitals and doctors.
What is more troublesome is that there are two parallel organizations here: Livestrong.org, the charity, and the parallel Livestrong.com, a for-profit entity. And the myth that the charity provides funding for cancer research persists, even though LiveStrong’s own website makes it clear the charity is not in the research business.
Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Jack+Todd+myths+persist+about+Lance+Armstrong/7424086/story.html#ixzz2A4Rc3zMw
Thought it was interesting.0 -
Those who are badmouthing Livestong, have you actually DEALT with cancer and Livestrong? Or is just some organization with the yellow bracelettes and merchandise to you?
When I was diagnosed with cancer last year I was lost. My family doctor didn't know the answers to my questions and passed me along. Do you talk to an oncologist? Surgeon? Endocronolgist? WHO? They all passed the buck just to focus on their little part of the process. Do you talk to all of them? Who do you see first? What about insurance? Available options? I can't tell you how many quesitons there are on top of the stress of just having cancer.
I searched the internet and all you get is crap and horror stories about people who died or all the worst case scenarios. Nothing about the process or even the first step to getting cured.
I called all the "help lines" from cancer institues and even the ACS. They were WORTHLESS and NO help...
But I called/signed up with Livestrong. Withing a WEEK, they sent me a giant package of materials to help track my treatment and recovery. Provided tons of resources and people to contact. A journal to help with my journey to recovery and yes, the yellow bracelette. A couple days later, I was assigned a personal "assistant" to assist in my case via email and they contacted me to check on me and see if they could provide additional help or answer any more questions.
I got NOTHING like that from any other resource. The reason Livestrong does that, is because Lance went through the same questions and found zero answers without a lot of work on his own and didn't want other cancer patients to go through that same thing - a void of information.
I will tell ANYONE to go to Livestrong if they are looking for support and help - not to mention the research they fund.
If anyone wants to try and tear down a wonderful organization just because it's founder used PHD's in the PHD era? I'm not listening.
This was written by another friend of mine in another forum.
The worst thing about all of this, is that Livestrong will most likely not live through it.0 -
Why is the only sports cheat that tried to use his wins to help people the one that gets the biggest backlash? Merriman was a pro-bowler 4 months after he got busted. Giambi is about to become the manager of Colorado. Palmeiro lied to congress under oath. Even A-Rod, who has no love from anyone, gets to keep his 300 mil contract. Yet they go after Lance like he beats kids with baby seals. Does anyone even care about cycling other than 1 race a year?0
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I do.0
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Why is the only sports cheat that tried to use his wins to help people the one that gets the biggest backlash? Merriman was a pro-bowler 4 months after he got busted. Giambi is about to become the manager of Colorado. Palmeiro lied to congress under oath. Even A-Rod, who has no love from anyone, gets to keep his 300 mil contract. Yet they go after Lance like he beats kids with baby seals. Does anyone even care about cycling other than 1 race a year?
didnt Roger Clemens get in a little trouble with congress? ever hear of Barry Bonds? Merriman has used his fame to help the poor. so keep throwing names out there...0 -
Got mine. :bigsmile:
Doperssuck.com
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Now they've taken his keys away.
OK, just the one key, but it's to a whole city!
http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sport/armstrong-set-to-lose-key-to-city/story-fndukor0-1226506536024
But far worse than that,Fellow key recipient Cher this year attempted to sell her key to the city on eBay.
Oh, that Cher!0 -
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This is an amazing interview of Stuart Scott from ESPN who is fighting cancer. I challenge everyone to listen to it.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8848997
One of the great points is where Stuart Scott mentions being upset you were "conned into donating money to Livestrong because the guy cheated, where is your focus? That you've been conned? You still donated money to an organization that's helping people fighting cancer."0
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