Lance Armstrong admits to cheating.

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  • Krissy366
    Krissy366 Posts: 458 Member
    And he has now stepped down as chairman of Livestrong:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/lance-armstrong-steps-down-as-livestrong-chairman-101712

    "Updated Oct 17, 2012 12:46 PM ET
    AUSTIN, Texas (AP)
    Lance Armstrong stepped down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity and Nike severed ties with him as fallout from the doping scandal swirling around the famed cyclist escalated Wednesday."
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    Nike...Trek...Radio Shack...Giro...Anheuser-Busch...FRS...Honey Stinger...
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    Nike...Trek...Radio Shack...Giro...Anheuser-Busch...FRS...Honey Stinger...

    You saying he's lost them all?
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    "everybody lies"

    Dr. Greg House
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    "everybody lies"

    Dr. Greg House

    Ah, but he's fictional. Actually, like Armstrong's wins.

    Nevermind.
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    Nike...Trek...Radio Shack...Giro...Anheuser-Busch...FRS...Honey Stinger...

    You saying he's lost them all?

    They all have (or in the process of) ending their association with Mr. Armstrong. I'm sure there are some behind the scenes stuff but for the most part, it's over for him as a spokesperson.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    I don't see what the big deal is. Really.
  • Kisuke30
    Kisuke30 Posts: 668 Member
    it's a shame that he did cheat. He was an inspiration to so many. I still keep in mind what all positive he has done, though. (raise money for cancer, etc..see : http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/lance-armstrong)

    [sarcasm] can't people just see that he's faster because he only has one testicle and is thus more aerodynamic? [/sarcasm]
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    it's a shame that he did cheat. He was an inspiration to so many. I still keep in mind what all positive he has done, though. (raise money for cancer, etc..see : http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/lance-armstrong)

    [sarcasm] can't people just see that he's faster because he only has one testicle and is thus more aerodynamic? [/sarcasm]
    How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used.
  • Kisuke30
    Kisuke30 Posts: 668 Member
    it's a shame that he did cheat. He was an inspiration to so many. I still keep in mind what all positive he has done, though. (raise money for cancer, etc..see : http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/lance-armstrong)

    [sarcasm] can't people just see that he's faster because he only has one testicle and is thus more aerodynamic? [/sarcasm]
    How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used. I

    i tend to agree. come back from cancer, win 7 tour de frances...

    its still a shame, but in this day and age who isn't? Its like mainstream sports practically says its ok to....
  • slkehl
    slkehl Posts: 3,801 Member
    its still a shame, but in this day and age who isn't? Its like mainstream sports practically says its ok to....

    True, but it did sound like he was a big ringleader and pressured his teammates to dope. Sounds like more than simply going along with the crowd.
  • Kisuke30
    Kisuke30 Posts: 668 Member
    You've got a point. I didn't actually consider that. Its depressing to me, someone who I've thought was so inspirational did this. Part of me wants to dismiss what all of the witnesses were saying but, the other part says this many people can't be lying!
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    Here is the USADA's findings. When I have some spare time, I plan to read it all.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/10/Reasoned-Decision.pdf
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    its still a shame, but in this day and age who isn't? Its like mainstream sports practically says its ok to....

    True, but it did sound like he was a big ringleader and pressured his teammates to dope. Sounds like more than simply going along with the crowd.

    More like a bully threatening you if you did not conform or challenged him.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Here is the USADA's findings. When I have some spare time, I plan to read it all.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/10/Reasoned-Decision.pdf

    it is very interesting and sad. And from the sounds of it, some of the riders had not been involved in doping yet, but once on the team - that's it.
  • crazy_ninja
    crazy_ninja Posts: 387 Member
    Oh he did? Hahahaha.....who have thunk it? :laugh:
  • chrishgt4
    chrishgt4 Posts: 1,222 Member
    it's a shame that he did cheat. He was an inspiration to so many. I still keep in mind what all positive he has done, though. (raise money for cancer, etc..see : http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/lance-armstrong)

    [sarcasm] can't people just see that he's faster because he only has one testicle and is thus more aerodynamic? [/sarcasm]
    How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used.

    Thing is - if it doesn't make that much of a difference then why take them. He did, gained an unfair advantage (albeit in a sport seemingly where he was less gaining an advantage, and more keeping up with everyone else).

    I think the thing that is most damning is that it doesn't seem as if he was caught up in part of a corrupt system, but that he was a major part in making the system corrupt.
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    I think the thing that is most damning is that it doesn't seem as if he was caught up in part of a corrupt system, but that he was a major part in making the system corrupt.

    And he portrays himself as a victim. What a douchenozzle.
  • kpnuts23
    kpnuts23 Posts: 960 Member
    I think the thing that is most damning is that it doesn't seem as if he was caught up in part of a corrupt system, but that he was a major part in making the system corrupt.

    And he portrays himself as a victim. What a douchenozzle.

    New fave word - "douchenozzle."
  • CherryOnionKiss
    CherryOnionKiss Posts: 376 Member
    who care if he was doped or not?! He didn't molest children and murder a 80 years old woman.
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    who care if he was doped or not?! He didn't molest children and murder a 80 years old woman.

    Is that your threshold for unethical behaviour?
  • edenburnin
    edenburnin Posts: 11 Member
    Maybe someone mentioned this already, but what is really sad is the livestrong charity and any awareness he brought to cancer research. What happens to all of that?
  • lavieboheme1229
    lavieboheme1229 Posts: 448 Member
    A friend put it to me this way:

    They ALL cheated. Every single one of them. Every single person in the course dopes to some extent. Making the playing field, in effect, level again.

    And Lance Armstrong still kicked their *kitten* to high heaven. Whether he did or not, I still say he is one of the best of all time.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    How about the fact that the ASDA broke some of its own rules in order to procede with these allegations? The reasoning behind suspending the statute of limitations is pretty fishy. Also there's the fact that other associated organizations didn't want to pursue the case.
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    How about the fact that the ASDA broke some of its own rules in order to procede with these allegations? The reasoning behind suspending the statute of limitations is pretty fishy. Also there's the fact that other associated organizations didn't want to pursue the case.

    The statute of limitations has no bearing on his medals nor his endorsements. I can see an argument for not tossing his *kitten* in jail, though.

    How he was caught does not change the fact that he's a cheater and a liar.

    But you're right: shame on the other organizations for trying to hide the truth.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    The statute of limitations has no bearing on his medals nor his endorsements. I can see an argument for not tossing his *kitten* in jail, though.

    How he was caught does not change the fact that he's a cheater and a liar.

    But you're right: shame on the other organizations for trying to hide the truth.

    The context under which immoral actions are uncovered doesn't impact the morality (or lack thereof) of the event, but it does call into question the validity of a system of rules that need to be broken in order to be enforced. IIRC wasn't the ASDA trying to pursue criminal charges and not just nullify his wins? I could be mistaken there but it's why I brought up the point and posted the court's response to the trial.
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    The statute of limitations has no bearing on his medals nor his endorsements. I can see an argument for not tossing his *kitten* in jail, though.

    How he was caught does not change the fact that he's a cheater and a liar.

    But you're right: shame on the other organizations for trying to hide the truth.

    The context under which immoral actions are uncovered doesn't impact the morality (or lack thereof) of the event, but it does call into question the validity of a system of rules that need to be broken in order to be enforced. IIRC wasn't the ASDA trying to pursue criminal charges and not just nullify his wins? I could be mistaken there but it's why I brought up the point and posted the court's response to the trial.

    Yes, the system is clearly broken. Or changing to meet need. Depends upon your point of view, I suppose. That it's broken is hardly news to anyone following along.

    I have a hard time accepting criminal prosecution as right under these circumstances. But as far as I'm concerned, with everything else he's getting every bit of what he deserves. And still seems to garner more respect form some than he deserves.
  • TylerJ76
    TylerJ76 Posts: 4,375 Member
    Maybe someone mentioned this already, but what is really sad is the livestrong charity and any awareness he brought to cancer research. What happens to all of that?

    Livestrong will continue, and still be a great thing for victims of cancer.
  • DamnImASexyBitch
    DamnImASexyBitch Posts: 740 Member
    I don't see the big deal in atheletes using performance enhancing drugs honestly. The bigger part is talent and determination. Just because someone might take them doesn't mean that they are going to succeed. How many use them, but aren't successfull so they don't get caught?
  • ilovedeadlifts
    ilovedeadlifts Posts: 2,923 Member

    How can he still not be inspiring? People need to have a serious reality check on the amount of performance enhancing drugs being used.

    my thoughts exactly...

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