Milk does NOT do your body good!
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Humans in parts of the world where dairy has been consumed for a long time have evolved to produce an enzyme that allows us to digest it. Diary is terrible for people who can't produce that enzyme and this is a common problem amongst East Asians and Native Americans, for example. For people from Europe, South Asia and parts of Africa, however, most of us will have that enzyme. Our bodies have changed specifically to support the consumption of dairy. Any argument against it along the lines of "it's meant for baby cows not humans!!!" sounds intuitively compelling, but I don't think it holds weight against the fact that many of our bodies have evolved to allow us to eat the stuff. An 8 oz glass of 2% a day is not going to make you double your body weight in like 5 minutes like a baby calf! Tone it down a notch. OP's rhetoric is way over the top.
One of the only reasons humans are good at existing at all is that we can eat a huge variety of foods compared to many other animals which fill more specialized ecological niches. There are plenty of other arguments available if you are opposed to dairy consumption. Go after the industry, that's the worst part of it! The way cows are treated in factory farms is deplorable and that is good enough reason to stop drinking industrially produced milk if you feel so inclined, but please, leave out hokey junk "science" about the human body and human evolution. Please.0 -
Humans in parts of the world where dairy has been consumed for a long time have evolved to produce an enzyme that allows us to digest it. Diary is terrible for people who can't produce that enzyme and this is a common problem amongst East Asians and Native Americans, for example. For people from Europe, South Asia and parts of Africa, however, most of us will have that enzyme. Our bodies have changed specifically to support the consumption of dairy. Any argument against it along the lines of "it's meant for baby cows not humans!!!" sounds intuitively compelling, but I don't think it holds weight against the fact that many of our bodies have evolved to allow us to eat the stuff. An 8 oz glass of 2% a day is not going to make you double your body weight in like 5 minutes like a baby calf! Tone it down a notch. OP's rhetoric is way over the top.
One of the only reasons humans are good at existing at all is that we can eat a huge variety of foods compared to many other animals which fill more specialized ecological niches. There are plenty of other arguments available if you are opposed to dairy consumption. Go after the industry, that's the worst part of it! The way cows are treated in factory farms is deplorable and that is good enough reason to stop drinking industrially produced milk if you feel so inclined, but please, leave out hokey junk "science" about the human body and human evolution. Please.
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None of this is true. The human digestive system has all the enzymes needed to break down fat and protein from cow's milk. Also, lactose intolerant people can't consume any kind of milk, it has nothing to do with the protein in milk. LACTOSE is the sugar in milk, that some people cannot digest. Lactose intolerant people can generally consume yogurt, because the bacteria in the yogurt consume the lactose (that's how it becomes yogurt.)I've read some stuff about milk from the milk industry vs raw milk from grass fed cows. I agree with what you've said about the majority of the milk industry. Hormones, antibiotics, pus...the whole 9 yards. Also, the fact that it is pasteurized and homogenized is bad, too. We need the enzymes from raw milk in order to break down the proteins in it. When milk is pasteurized, those healthy bacteria and enzymes are killed and we are unable to break down the proteins as easily. Also, homogenizing milk supposedly causes the fat globules to be broken into tiny sticky pieces, which can in fact contribute to clogged arteries. Not homogenizing the milk, though, causes the fat globules to stay in one piece, which is passed through your system. Its not going to get stuck in your arteries. Lastly, I've read that a lot of lactose intolerant people are able to eat raw dairy with no problems! This is due to the good bacteria and enzymes in the raw milk that break down the proteins for them .
Anywho, I got this info from The Untold Story of Milk and my favorite book, "Nourishing Traditions". I think raw dairy and especially fermented raw dairy are very good for those of us who are able to digest it! And of course, there are those people who have acquired such a sensitivity that they truly cannot digest dairy, even raw dairy.
I would like to see those studies done using raw milk, from grassfed cows. I wonder what the difference would be?0 -
Oh geez, just took another glance at the OP and lol @ "the one tribe in Africa that has osteoperosis is the ONE tribe that drinks milk"???? OMG. There are a lot of different "tribes"/communities/ethnic groups in Africa that drink milk. Not one. LOTS. You need to check your sources if they are telling you that there's only one group of people in Africa that (traditionally) drink milk.0
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All of this is absolutely and patently false. Please make sure you do research before posting things like this. These are absolute lies.
Cows by nature produce up to 10 pounds of milk a day, but the cows the produce the milk we drink are injected with a hormone so they can instead produce a 100 pounds a day. When you ingest dairy you are ingesting the same antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as you would if you digested the meat directly. The udders become sore and infected, and the antibiotics given to them for this goes straight into our milk.
Cows have been genetically SELECTED to produce 100+ lbs of milk per cow per day, give or take depending on the breed and quality of said cow. That is without hormones. You are attempting to give the impression that a cow will go from producing 10 lbs of milk a day to 100 from an injection? No. Not even a little true.
When you inject a cow with rBST, she will produce 11-16% more milk than they normally would. Not all cows are treated with rBST, either. Something like 20% of dairies use this hormone.
It is impossible to detect the difference between cows that are treated with rBST and those who are not because there is no difference in the levels of this hormone from cows that are untreated, they produce their own naturally. Read labels. They are carefully worded and do not say "rBST-free milk" because that is not true.
Cows that are treated with antibiotics for mastitis have ALL of their milk WITHHELD from consumption until there are no detectable levels of antibiotics in the milk. There is a positive correlation between cows that produce more milk and the incidence of mastitis, which is a bacterial infection in the udder. Most cows don't have this, and farmers do everything they can to keep the udders of their cows healthy. Farmers who violate this and let antibiotics into their bulk tanks would be penalized very very heavily for it, so they don't do it.
Milk is a very clean food. That is a fact.
Get your facts straight.
Thank you! :drinker: .0 -
Yeah... I love me some milk... And I don't think it's ever going to change
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This. Milk ain't gonna hurt you. I generally prefer soy and almond milks because I like the taste better, but I've yet to be given any reason why I need to remove dairy from my diet entirely.0 -
Read "The China Study" for some reasons.Milk ain't gonna hurt you. I generally prefer soy and almond milks because I like the taste better, but I've yet to be given any reason why I need to remove dairy from my diet entirely.0 -
infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk.
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I'm very curious. Which tribe is that?0 -
"The China Study" has been debunked time and time again.
Read "The China Study" for some reasons.Milk ain't gonna hurt you. I generally prefer soy and almond milks because I like the taste better, but I've yet to be given any reason why I need to remove dairy from my diet entirely.0 -
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Life without cheese?! Noooo I would rather risk cancer and lactic intolerance. I certainly can live without beach body, shakeology, or any other potion out there.0
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Here are some of the high points I have read on dairy:
Milk is designed to make us have the fastest growth spurt of our lives. Double our weight in 6 months, triple at a year, and quadruple at 2. By design it does the same for cows. A 90 lb calf doubles its weight in 47 days and grows to over 2000lbs in 2 years. By design the mother's body is able to detect the nutrients the baby is void of or needs the most of and tailors the milk to meet those needs. So why do we drink the milk of a cow, a mammal 250 times the size of an 8 pound baby. We are the only specie on earth that drinks milk as adults.
Between the ages of 18 months and 4 years we lose 90-95% of the lactase enzyme to digest milk. Undigested lactose and acidity of milk encourages the growth of bacteria in our intestines, and cancer thrives in acidic conditions.
A study done at Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institute of Health did a study and found dairy to be a deterrent to osteoperosis and the high protein content of dairy actually takes calcium from the body. A Yale study found the countries that consume the most dairy, meat, and other animal products are the countries with the highest osteoperois rates. 40 million Americans have osteoperosis but only 250,000 African women have bone disease, infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk. Dairy has also been linked to a host of other diseases as well: acne, anemia, arthritis, ADD, ADHD, fibromyalgia, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain, poor immune function, allergies, ear infections, colic, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, autism, Crohn's disease, breast, prostrate, and ovarian cancers.
Cows by nature produce up to 10 pounds of milk a day, but the cows the produce the milk we drink are injected with a hormone so they can instead produce a 100 pounds a day. When you ingest dairy you are ingesting the same antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as you would if you digested the meat directly. The udders become sore and infected, and the antibiotics given to them for this goes straight into our milk. By the way, by law they are allowed to have up to 750 million pus cells per a gallon of milk. Pasteurization destroys beneficial enzymes and calcium without killing all the viruses and bacteria.
An adequate amount of calcium can be ingested by eating a healthy balance of fruits and vegetables. Consuming high amounts of dairy blocks iron absorption leading to iron deficiency. Vitamin D can be received by 15 minutes of sunlight a day. 70-80% of the calories in cheese alone comes from fat, and low fat cheese still accounts for 50% of the calories from fat.
There are many resources out there. Notmilk.com has every disease known linked to milk and studies done for each of those diseases. Skinny ***** by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin is a great book. Milksucks.com also has some hardcore truths and eye opening resources.
Add me on MyFitnessPal.
So milk is designed to make us fat, culture bacteria inside of us, make our intestines acidic, leach calcium from our system, and degenerate our bones - and you say therefore that this is only good while we're children? It sounds like it's terrible for us as children too. I don't want no calcium-deprived acidic-intestined bone-degenerating fat baby. If anything, it sounds like milk is murder. Murder by mothers!
Your well documented research and long list of reputable scholarly reports makes a clear argument and I agree completely. You've convinced me that women(aka mothers) are trying to kill their children with breast milk. I think we should ban breast feeding. Sure you say it's good to help the little buggers grow, but if it has so many adverse effects then they trump the good ones. Women are obviously evil and trying to destroy our lives, one sipped nipple at a time.
Your information has changed my life. One MFP user and one hack website devoid of valuable and transparent research is just what I needed to give my life new guidance. All along this milk has been rotting me away. Maybe I should switch to those Beach Body products you recommend. After all, mankind makes much better products than nature.
^^I'm kinda with this person. Bacteria in our intestines?!? Acid in our stomach?!? You've got to be kidding me. We're supposed to have acid in our intestines to help the breakdown of nutrients! That's why people take probiotics (bacteria strains) that help with digestion. Bacteria is 1000% needed by our body and we will die if we don't have enough.
The acid in our stomach that is naturally made by our bodies is strong enough to dissolve metals. Acid in milk isn't strong enough to dissolve the paper or plastic cartons it comes in.
For every study that has reasons against, there's another study that has reasons for! #justsayin0 -
I always wonder about these anti-dairy folks who replace their "unnatural" milk habit with some processed milk substitute that really-dilly doesn't exist in nature, like soy milk.
The soy plant didn't exist until humans invented it. And soy milk is an invention of the industrial revolution.
I'm cool with people making dietary changes for health reasons, but eliminating something just to replace it with something worse, makes no sense at all.0 -
infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk.
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I'm very curious. Which tribe is that?
Off the top of my head, "tribes" that drink milk in Africa include the Nuer, the Maasai, the Tuareg.... pastoralism is a common traditional subsistence economy throughout Africa. Lots of people drink milk.0 -
infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk.
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I'm very curious. Which tribe is that?
Off the top of my head, "tribes" that drink milk in Africa include the Nuer, the Maasai, the Tuareg.... pastoralism is a common traditional subsistence economy throughout Africa. Lots of people drink milk.
haha.. I know.. I'm African. That's why I was curious to know which "one tribe" was being referred to.0 -
Agree on that. It's kind of like replacing a regular sugary soft drink with a diet cola loaded with nasty chemicals. At least sugar exists in nature, even if it's super concentrated in this form.I always wonder about these anti-dairy folks who replace their "unnatural" milk habit with some processed milk substitute that really-dilly doesn't exist in nature, like soy milk.
The soy plant didn't exist until humans invented it. And soy milk is an invention of the industrial revolution.
I'm cool with people making dietary changes for health reasons, but eliminating something just to replace it with something worse, makes no sense at all.0 -
The whole thing about there being only ONE tribe that drinks milk out of the thousands in Africa makes me wonder if the OP is trolling. Ridiculous.0
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Great, now I want some milk.0
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Here are some of the high points I have read on dairy:
Milk is designed to make us have the fastest growth spurt of our lives. Double our weight in 6 months, triple at a year, and quadruple at 2. By design it does the same for cows. A 90 lb calf doubles its weight in 47 days and grows to over 2000lbs in 2 years. By design the mother's body is able to detect the nutrients the baby is void of or needs the most of and tailors the milk to meet those needs. So why do we drink the milk of a cow, a mammal 250 times the size of an 8 pound baby. We are the only specie on earth that drinks milk as adults.
Between the ages of 18 months and 4 years we lose 90-95% of the lactase enzyme to digest milk. Undigested lactose and acidity of milk encourages the growth of bacteria in our intestines, and cancer thrives in acidic conditions.
A study done at Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institute of Health did a study and found dairy to be a deterrent to osteoperosis and the high protein content of dairy actually takes calcium from the body. A Yale study found the countries that consume the most dairy, meat, and other animal products are the countries with the highest osteoperois rates. 40 million Americans have osteoperosis but only 250,000 African women have bone disease, infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk. Dairy has also been linked to a host of other diseases as well: acne, anemia, arthritis, ADD, ADHD, fibromyalgia, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain, poor immune function, allergies, ear infections, colic, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, autism, Crohn's disease, breast, prostrate, and ovarian cancers.
Cows by nature produce up to 10 pounds of milk a day, but the cows the produce the milk we drink are injected with a hormone so they can instead produce a 100 pounds a day. When you ingest dairy you are ingesting the same antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as you would if you digested the meat directly. The udders become sore and infected, and the antibiotics given to them for this goes straight into our milk. By the way, by law they are allowed to have up to 750 million pus cells per a gallon of milk. Pasteurization destroys beneficial enzymes and calcium without killing all the viruses and bacteria.
An adequate amount of calcium can be ingested by eating a healthy balance of fruits and vegetables. Consuming high amounts of dairy blocks iron absorption leading to iron deficiency. Vitamin D can be received by 15 minutes of sunlight a day. 70-80% of the calories in cheese alone comes from fat, and low fat cheese still accounts for 50% of the calories from fat.
There are many resources out there. Notmilk.com has every disease known linked to milk and studies done for each of those diseases. Skinny ***** by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin is a great book. Milksucks.com also has some hardcore truths and eye opening resources.
Add me on MyFitnessPal.
So milk is designed to make us fat, culture bacteria inside of us, make our intestines acidic, leach calcium from our system, and degenerate our bones - and you say therefore that this is only good while we're children? It sounds like it's terrible for us as children too. I don't want no calcium-deprived acidic-intestined bone-degenerating fat baby. If anything, it sounds like milk is murder. Murder by mothers!
Your well documented research and long list of reputable scholarly reports makes a clear argument and I agree completely. You've convinced me that women(aka mothers) are trying to kill their children with breast milk. I think we should ban breast feeding. Sure you say it's good to help the little buggers grow, but if it has so many adverse effects then they trump the good ones. Women are obviously evil and trying to destroy our lives, one sipped nipple at a time.
Your information has changed my life. One MFP user and one hack website devoid of valuable and transparent research is just what I needed to give my life new guidance. All along this milk has been rotting me away. Maybe I should switch to those Beach Body products you recommend. After all, mankind makes much better products than nature.
It would be pretty weird if a human mother was producing cow's milk.
So then you'd be fine with people drinking human breast milk all their lives? If so, we should get rid of cows and just pump women. Heck, I could go for some breast milk right now. Anyone have any?
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Bro Science alert!
Please note that anyone who cites advice from anything that has appeared on the New York Times best seller list is demonstrating their complete scientific ignorance. Do not engage...I repeat...do not engage!0 -
I bet if other animals had opposable thumbs, they'd drink milk, too. And if we didn't drink milk, how would I get my daily milkshake?0
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infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk.
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I'm very curious. Which tribe is that?
Off the top of my head, "tribes" that drink milk in Africa include the Nuer, the Maasai, the Tuareg.... pastoralism is a common traditional subsistence economy throughout Africa. Lots of people drink milk.
haha.. I know.. I'm African. That's why I was curious to know which "one tribe" was being referred to.
Ahahah yeah I'd really like to know who they're refering to, and where they got that information! It's terrible. lol.0 -
Milkshake tree.I bet if other animals had opposable thumbs, they'd drink milk, too. And if we didn't drink milk, how would I get my daily milkshake?0 -
And it's kind of gross to think we drink something from a cow's udder!!! Almond milk, udder free
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Milkshake tree.I bet if other animals had opposable thumbs, they'd drink milk, too. And if we didn't drink milk, how would I get my daily milkshake?
My milkshake tree brings all the boys to the yard...0 -
And it's kind of gross to think we drink something from a cow's udder!!! Almond milk, udder free
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Almonds contain cyanide, so I think I'd prefer the cow's udder.0 -
So milk is designed to make us fat, culture bacteria inside of us, make our intestines acidic, leach calcium from our system, and degenerate our bones - and you say therefore that this is only good while we're children? It sounds like it's terrible for us as children too. I don't want no calcium-deprived acidic-intestined bone-degenerating fat baby. If anything, it sounds like milk is murder. Murder by mothers!
Your well documented research and long list of reputable scholarly reports makes a clear argument and I agree completely. You've convinced me that women(aka mothers) are trying to kill their children with breast milk. I think we should ban breast feeding. Sure you say it's good to help the little buggers grow, but if it has so many adverse effects then they trump the good ones. Women are obviously evil and trying to destroy our lives, one sipped nipple at a time.
Your information has changed my life. One MFP user and one hack website devoid of valuable and transparent research is just what I needed to give my life new guidance. All along this milk has been rotting me away. Maybe I should switch to those Beach Body products you recommend. After all, mankind makes much better products than nature.
You're my hero.
Sorry to butt in with my fangirling!0 -
please go on youtube and see how cows are injected and the side effects of it. or if not i will post some links to make it easier
http://youtu.be/6RNFFRGz1Qs 0
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