For you diet soda drinkers out there...
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I've lost 60lbs eating splenda, drinking Cherry Coke Zero, and MiO in my water. I'll take the 60lbs I've lost over the 80lbs I gained drinking full calorie soda and eating sugar in coffee, tea, and candy.
I only drink maybe a glass every day and that's enough.0 -
Warning....
Industry dumps billions of tons of dihydrous oxide into the atmosphere, lakes and rivers on a daily basis.
Exposure to large quantities of this substance has been known to cause property damage. Inhalation of this substance in quantities can lead to death.
...and if you are someone who is going to start panicking on the basis of this post, I would suggest you go back to school and get an education in basic science....0 -
In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.0 -
In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.
Great way of putting it...0 -
What is your take on coffee?In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.0 -
Hmmm? I was distracted.
What is your take on coffee?In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.
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In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.
Right. So the natural water that contains.... Algicide, Chlorine, Chlorine Dioxide, Clarifiers, Filter Cleanser, Dry or Muriatic Acid and Soda Ash or Sodium bicarbonate.
Not really that natural, is it. Quite fooling yourself and get off that soap box!0 -
Not losing weight fast enough? Diet soda is worse for you than regular soda. Anyone wanting a healthy life style shouldn't drink any sodas. If you must, at least stay away from the fake sugar. The aspartame used in diet sodas also causes vitamins to be leached from your bodies and it is also highly carcinogenic. Studies have found that bodies react to fake sugar in the same way as real sugar. It might not have as many calories but your body still creates fat in response.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41479869/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/daily-diet-soda-tied-higher-risk-stroke-heart-attack/#.UEJIpdZlSDk
Excellent response.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/28/us-diet-drinks-health-idUSBRE82R1BL20120328
I'm posting this for my mom and aunts who are diet coke addicts.
When you read research, please remember that correlation does not equal causation. Here it is stated in the WebMD article you cited:
"Diet Soda No Smoking Gun
Fowler is quick to note that a study of this kind does not prove that diet soda causes obesity. More likely, she says, it shows that something linked to diet soda drinking is also linked to obesity.
'One possible part of the explanation is that people who see they are beginning to gain weight may be more likely to switch from regular to diet soda,' Fowler suggests. 'But despite their switching, their weight may continue to grow for other reasons. So diet soft-drink use is a marker for overweight and obesity.' "
From the MSNBC article:
"For example, it’s possible that people who drink diet sodas are replacing those saved sugar calories with other unhealthy choices, Gardener said.
That explanation makes a lot of sense to Dr. Nehal N. Mehta, director of inflammatory risk cardiology at the University of Pennsylvania. Although the researchers know the total calories study volunteers were consuming, they weren’t able to account for unhealthy eating habits, Mehta said.
'Maybe along with the diet soda, people are grabbing a Big Mac and a large fries,' Mehta said. 'Soda may not be the villain. It may be the other things people consume in association with diet soda. After all, what goes better with pizza or fries than a soda?' "0 -
I can't speak to the question of whether or not diet soda aids or hinders weight loss. But I can comment on whether or not artificial sweeteners have adverse side effects when consumed in moderation. They most definitely can.
For a significant number of people, the artificial sweeteners do indeed cause adverse side effects. I am one of those people. I cannot consume anything that contains Sucralose. Even so little as a piece of Trident Sugarless gum, which I do not even swallow. Any time I have anything with Sucralose I have debilitating nocturnal muscle cramping in my legs and feet. I'm not talking mild cramping. I'm talking rip the muscle off the bone cramping. They are brutal. It is a very consistent reaction. It happens every single time. And only when I consume Sucralose. I read every food label now before putting anything in my mouth. If it contains Sucralose I will eat/drink the full fat version or not eat/drink it at all. It is just not worth the trade-off to me.
I have talked to other people who have suspected Sucralose of causing medical issues for them as well. Migraines are another consistent reaction many people that I have talked to have had. I have a friend who will get an instant migraine anytime he drinks a diet soda.
So to make a blanket statement that artificial sweeteners cause no adverse reaction is simply not true.0 -
It's the high levels of citric acid and phosphoric acid in diet sodas that can be bad for teeth when consumed in excess.0
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Brown colas contain phosphoric acid. The proportion of phosphorus to calcium in the diet can have an effect on bone density. Interestingly, this has been shown to be a much bigger problem in women than in men. It's the ratio that's important, so I guess if you like your brown colas, the solution would be to drink an extra glass of milk for every can of cola you drink!
Here's a link to the most prominent study to show this effect: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/4/936.short
I'm a veterinarian. We see this problem all the time in iguanas who are fed iceberg lettuce and other foods that are high in phosphorus and low in calcium. They're an extreme case -- I've seen iguanas with jaw bones that had become soft and rubbery, whose bones will break just picking them up the wrong way. Every iguana I see goes home with a handout listing the Ca:P (Calcium to Phosphorus ratio) of dozens of greens and other foods. Humans aren't usually so severely affected, but it does give me personal, direct evidence that Ca:P is *real* and can be a *real* problem with serious consequences. I spend so much time warning clients not to feed their pets iceberg lettuce, I find that I avoid it myself almost as assiduously.
My mom and I have both switched to diet ginger ale instead of the brown colas, and neither of us miss them :-)0 -
In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.
Right. So the natural water that contains.... Algicide, Chlorine, Chlorine Dioxide, Clarifiers, Filter Cleanser, Dry or Muriatic Acid and Soda Ash or Sodium bicarbonate.
Not really that natural, is it. Quite fooling yourself and get off that soap box!
Hahaha! Perfect.0 -
Or just simply choose selzer water, they have a lot of great flavors out there and they are perfect for suppressing that bubbly carbination grave you get when you grave the sodas
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Not to mention, water is a chemical. The gold standard example of what a chemical is, if I recall correctly.In my humble opinion, all the Pro-Diet-Soda-Drinkers fall into the same category as smokers, chewing tobacco users and drug addicts... If you truly believe you need it, you are really "in-control" of your usage and using it is truly harmless, I wish you the very best of luck. Clearly, you're smarter than I.
I'll stick with water. Pure water. No chemicals. No taste-enhancement. Good 'ol fashioned water. 1 1/2 gallons a day.
Natural Selection will determine the winner.
Keep being awesome.
Right. So the natural water that contains.... Algicide, Chlorine, Chlorine Dioxide, Clarifiers, Filter Cleanser, Dry or Muriatic Acid and Soda Ash or Sodium bicarbonate.
Not really that natural, is it. Quite fooling yourself and get off that soap box!
Other studies have proven that the phosphorus in soda has nothing to do with it, it's the caffeine that has the calcium depleting effect. They've also shown that the body compensates for the loss of calcium when consuming caffeine by reducing calcium depletion throughout the rest of the day.Brown colas contain phosphoric acid. The proportion of phosphorus to calcium in the diet can have an effect on bone density. Interestingly, this has been shown to be a much bigger problem in women than in men. It's the ratio that's important, so I guess if you like your brown colas, the solution would be to drink an extra glass of milk for every can of cola you drink!
Here's a link to the most prominent study to show this effect: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/4/936.short
I'm a veterinarian. We see this problem all the time in iguanas who are fed iceberg lettuce and other foods that are high in phosphorus and low in calcium. They're an extreme case -- I've seen iguanas with jaw bones that had become soft and rubbery, whose bones will break just picking them up the wrong way. Every iguana I see goes home with a handout listing the Ca:P (Calcium to Phosphorus ratio) of dozens of greens and other foods. Humans aren't usually so severely affected, but it does give me personal, direct evidence that Ca:P is *real* and can be a *real* problem with serious consequences. I spend so much time warning clients not to feed their pets iceberg lettuce, I find that I avoid it myself almost as assiduously.
My mom and I have both switched to diet ginger ale instead of the brown colas, and neither of us miss them :-)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11522558RESULTS: Relative to water, urinary calcium rose significantly only with the milks and the 2 caffeine-containing beverages. The excess calciuria was approximately 0.25 mmol, about the same as previously reported for caffeine alone. Phosphoric acid without caffeine produced no excess calciuria; nor did it augment the calciuria of caffeine.
CONCLUSIONS: The excess calciuria associated with consumption of carbonated beverages is confined to caffeinated beverages. Acidulant type has no acute effect. Because the caffeine effect is known to be compensated for by reduced calciuria later in the day, we conclude that the net effect of carbonated beverage constituents on calcium economy is negligible. The skeletal effects of carbonated beverage consumption are likely due primarily to milk displacement.0 -
Other studies have proven that the phosphorus in soda has nothing to do with it, it's the caffeine that has the calcium depleting effect. They've also shown that the body compensates for the loss of calcium when consuming caffeine by reducing calcium depletion throughout the rest of the day.Brown colas contain phosphoric acid. The proportion of phosphorus to calcium in the diet can have an effect on bone density. Interestingly, this has been shown to be a much bigger problem in women than in men. It's the ratio that's important, so I guess if you like your brown colas, the solution would be to drink an extra glass of milk for every can of cola you drink!
Here's a link to the most prominent study to show this effect: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/4/936.short
I'm a veterinarian. We see this problem all the time in iguanas who are fed iceberg lettuce and other foods that are high in phosphorus and low in calcium. They're an extreme case -- I've seen iguanas with jaw bones that had become soft and rubbery, whose bones will break just picking them up the wrong way. Every iguana I see goes home with a handout listing the Ca:P (Calcium to Phosphorus ratio) of dozens of greens and other foods. Humans aren't usually so severely affected, but it does give me personal, direct evidence that Ca:P is *real* and can be a *real* problem with serious consequences. I spend so much time warning clients not to feed their pets iceberg lettuce, I find that I avoid it myself almost as assiduously.
My mom and I have both switched to diet ginger ale instead of the brown colas, and neither of us miss them :-)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11522558
That study is only looking at short-term urinary calcium excretion. The study I cited looked at actual bone density. Also, the study I cited was conducted *after* the study you cite, and they discussed it in this one. They *looked* at the effect of caffeine, both comparing caffeinated and decaffeinated colas and controlling for outside caffeine intake statistically, and found that there was some effect from caffeine, but there was a separate and stronger effect still present unrelated to caffeine.0 -
The study you cited also relied on food frequency questionnaires to determine what was consumed, rather than an actual clinical setting where the drinks were given out and dosed by the researchers. Questionnaires are rather unreliable, especially a questionnaire asking about 4 years worth of consumption, which is what they derived ALL of their information, both on calcium intake, and cola consumption from. Not to mention, it's only a correlation study, it doesn't actually prove anything. It even stated in the results that it needs more study to confirm.
Plus, looking at the actual data from the study you posted, even the women that didn't consume soda had low bone density. And the difference between women that consumed 0 colas, and women that consumed 7 or more, was a difference of 0.035 g/cm^3. A significant difference percentage wise, but not really different when looking at the raw data. I'd say it doesn't really show much of anything.
Also, right from the study you posted:No evidence exists that occasional use of carbonated beverages, including cola, is detrimental to bone.0 -
not being funny, i drink diet cream soda because i enjoy in, it's probably the only thin i drink, i hate the taste of non diet so i drink it because it's a treat to myself.
screw the health benifits, i'm normally down on my kcal anyway. it's my one treat.
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I lost 80+ this year and diet drinks are a staple of my day. Today questionable science says its bad, tomorrow it will be good, then bad again. Do what works for you and that's that.0
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I lost 80+ this year and diet drinks are a staple of my day. Today questionable science says its bad, tomorrow it will be good, then bad again. Do what works for you and that's that.
Exactly - I get to 3-4% BF several times a year and I drink gallons of the stuff to keep my sweet tooth at bay. It doesn't stop fat loss and as I posted, unless the sweetener contains carbs, it doesn't cause an insulin rise.
My profile picture is me NOW - I drink tonnes of Pepsi Max - does it look like its stopping me? (waits for an insult!).0 -
Diet soda should be renamed "diarrhea-t soda" because that's the effect it has if you drink too much of it!0
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this thread needs to go away!0
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moderation is key with anything- plus I believe it's what you eat with the diet soda. I haven't noticed to many people having salad and diet soda. The Big Mac, Whopper, and Pizza may have more to do with weight loss being slow than diet soda.0
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I don't think it's a problem to drink diet soda, if it doesn't cause a person problems (that's apparent in your own life and experience). If you dislike it, then it has no health benefits either, so there's no reason why you would have to drink it. Anyway, when I said the high levels of citric acid (in citrus sodas) and phosphoric acid (in brown sodas) degrades teeth enamel I was not talking about the internal impact on bone density, I was talking about the contact of the acid on the teeth. It's just good to know that if you drink large quantities and if you have teeth sensitivity or problems or if your teeth are especially important to you. But, regular soda is just as bad for your teeth. And so are lots of nutritive foods like lemon juice. But, yeah, the diet soda topics are getting really old now. It's a personal choice based on what tastes good to you or not.0
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