"Natural Flavor" ingredient exposed?
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I think you use the term "we" and "I" Interchangably. Sweeping generalizations can be false presumptions.No... what people term as 'food addiction' is not even close to a chemical dependence.
I think people can become emotionally dependent on a lot of things. And since emotions are just hormones which secrete chemicals in our body/brain to get a response from our consciousness, I think it's possible that we could be dependent on food other than survival. Just the same we are on anything else that brings us good feelings. The problem is we see "good tasting foods" as a reward and "poor tasting foods" as a punishment (eating cake versus eating brussel sprouts). It depends on how you were raised and how your parents convinced you to eat the "poor tasting foods" in my opinion. And once this preference is in the subconscious, it plays out like a record in our life day in and day out until we seek help.0 -
It's funny, because I've read every post, and I still can't see where someone has called you an "idiot" or a name...
That's how passive aggression works. It goes under the radar. That's why you can never catch a person who is a back-stabber until after the backstabbing or rumor spreading is done and killed your reputation. It's aggression done in the covert. Most passive-aggression is done in the form of humor with a sharp tongue. But no worries, I seem to have it under control.
Lol, YOU have been passive-aggressive throughout this thread, specifically to me. Someone calling your posts ignorant, your use of emotion as a reason for things to be "fact," etc... those are people legitimately calling out you and your source. That's not passive-aggression. I feel like you need to look up some of the terms you keep throwing around. Ignorance, passive-aggression, natural, artificial, addiction, etc. These are literally all terms you have misused in this thread.
You posted misinformation, asked for opinions, and people gave it to you. You put YOUR opinion out as "fact." We have every right to judge what you have then said.0 -
Simple. I use logic and reason to evaluate the claims being made. I don't believe things because they make me feel good.
That's how you find the truth. If that's anything you're interested in. If you'd rather just believe things that make you feel good you can feel free to do that. But stop being surprised when the information you attempt to pass off as valid gets shot to sunshine.
^^^Acceptable opinion and post. And I'm not looking for truth, I am looking for opinions. I clearly said in my OP "what's your thoughts on this". Thoughts are not scientific fact. If you don't like theory, abstract, or discussions that stray from the "truth" then maybe that's a problem with you and not me.I also don't post topics for debate and tell everyone who disagrees with me to stop attacking me. Because it's childish. Just look in the mirror and tell yourself how smart and pretty you are if that's what you're after. But if you post a topic for discussion you will get any manner of replies. Know that.
^^^^^^Unacceptable opinion that IS attacking me. I am not doing this for attention, for self esteem, or for self confidence. The fact that you are implying that I am doing this as an attention *kitten* or a drama queen is disrespectful. If you cannot enter a conversation that has differing opinions then that is YOUR problem. If the only way to sway someone is to attack their character then maybe you need to stop trying to sway people and let them be an individual. I am letting YOU be an individual aren't I? I never said you were WRONG, I just told you to stop attacking me.
It's great you are a "thinking" type. But allow us emotional thinkers (me) think what we want in the matter, even if you have scientific proof that proves otherwise. Truth is, science contradicts itself so there is no stable "truth" in the world except what you want to believe.0 -
I don't feel I need to seek help because I love cheesecake. Again, it's a matter of self control....not addiction.0
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I think alot of it true! I was a competitive figure skater from the time I was 12 till I was 23? Then even as I grew up my parents limited processed foods, my mom made nearly EVERYTHING from scratch!! I didn't eat what my friends ate, I never wanted to eat it. They couldn't get enough and I never wanted to start! Then after I had my kids and was pressed for time, ( and had a husband who grew up on junk food) I began to let go and not be a strict about what my kids ate. I watched as my kiddos, who only ate veggies and fruit, or plain cheerios turned into monsters when daddy brought home the sugary cereal!! I still remember having doughnuts and one was not enough!!
Then I went gluten free b/c I needed to for health reasons. I bought some gluten free doughnuts, since the hubby didn't stop buying them I wanted an option for me. I ate one and it was very good, but I only wanted one!! If I slip up and go back to the processed foods, I can't get enough!! But when I eat gluten free( which for me means ALOT of cooked from scratch!) I don't have these 'cravings'. My husband still does since he 'can't' give it up!
I am not saying it is the only reason we are overweight as a nation. What I am saying is that if you are not aware of your body and what it is doing or if it is even abnormal? How do you know to change your thinking? If people have grown up 'addicted' then how do you see the difference until a major life experience makes them look at it?
Some of these other posts need more compassion and realize that companies ARE out there to make money!! I worked retail and it was my job to make people think they NEEDED new whatever!! Its real!
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It's funny, because I've read every post, and I still can't see where someone has called you an "idiot" or a name...
That's how passive aggression works. It goes under the radar. That's why you can never catch a person who is a back-stabber until after the backstabbing or rumor spreading is done and killed your reputation. It's aggression done in the covert. Most passive-aggression is done in the form of humor with a sharp tongue. But no worries, I seem to have it under control.
Lol, YOU have been passive-aggressive throughout this thread, specifically to me. Someone calling your posts ignorant, your use of emotion as a reason for things to be "fact," etc... those are people legitimately calling out you and your source. That's not passive-aggression. I feel like you need to look up some of the terms you keep throwing around. Ignorance, passive-aggression, natural, artificial, addiction, etc. These are literally all terms you have misused in this thread.
You posted misinformation, asked for opinions, and people gave it to you. You put YOUR opinion out as "fact." We have every right to judge what you have then said.
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.0 -
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.
Stop using the word fact if you don't know what it means.0 -
That's not what ironic means.
Funny you post this picture because my wife is making me watch the documentary this guy is in. While it's fascinating to listen to someone else's perspective about how our ancestors did the fine cuts and made these huge pyramids, I think we are just insulting the intelligence of our ancestors by saying they were too stupid to figure out these things on their own and they needed aliens to help them. But quite ironic you are posting this right now and we are in the middle of watching it at the moment.0 -
Did anyone who ever posts this picture actually SEE the special where this guy was featured? I did and I can't remember which one it was (thankfully) but this guy was credited as some sort of expert on something and he really was like "aliens" this and "aliens" that. So weird that his image went viral as a thread joke.
For the OP: Don't know if it's true or really even care. I'm not a "clean" eater primarily because I can't afford to buy all clean foods and I can't afford to buy a house where I can grow/raise my own. Unfortunately my exposure to addictive ingredients, carcinogens, etc. is purely in the hands of the FDA. Which means, I'm effed.0 -
It's funny, because I've read every post, and I still can't see where someone has called you an "idiot" or a name...
That's how passive aggression works. It goes under the radar. That's why you can never catch a person who is a back-stabber until after the backstabbing or rumor spreading is done and killed your reputation. It's aggression done in the covert. Most passive-aggression is done in the form of humor with a sharp tongue. But no worries, I seem to have it under control.
Lol, YOU have been passive-aggressive throughout this thread, specifically to me. Someone calling your posts ignorant, your use of emotion as a reason for things to be "fact," etc... those are people legitimately calling out you and your source. That's not passive-aggression. I feel like you need to look up some of the terms you keep throwing around. Ignorance, passive-aggression, natural, artificial, addiction, etc. These are literally all terms you have misused in this thread.
You posted misinformation, asked for opinions, and people gave it to you. You put YOUR opinion out as "fact." We have every right to judge what you have then said.
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.
I believe you're confusing "fact" with "belief".
A fact is truth....undeniable. Like "water is wet". That is a fact. If you choose to believe that water is dry, that may be your "belief" but it does not make it "fact".0 -
I think someone in this thread is emotionally addicted to trolling people with misinformation.
I enjoy giving information and watching people analyze it for credibility. The world isn't black and white, there will be some grays and even reds. You can't dismiss an entire article because you believe it isn't credible. It's like those people who believe in God and then dismiss everything that says he isn't real. Just open your mind a little is all I ask.0 -
Simple. I use logic and reason to evaluate the claims being made. I don't believe things because they make me feel good.
That's how you find the truth. If that's anything you're interested in. If you'd rather just believe things that make you feel good you can feel free to do that. But stop being surprised when the information you attempt to pass off as valid gets shot to sunshine.
^^^Acceptable opinion and post. And I'm not looking for truth, I am looking for opinions. I clearly said in my OP "what's your thoughts on this". Thoughts are not scientific fact. If you don't like theory, abstract, or discussions that stray from the "truth" then maybe that's a problem with you and not me.I also don't post topics for debate and tell everyone who disagrees with me to stop attacking me. Because it's childish. Just look in the mirror and tell yourself how smart and pretty you are if that's what you're after. But if you post a topic for discussion you will get any manner of replies. Know that.
^^^^^^Unacceptable opinion that IS attacking me. I am not doing this for attention, for self esteem, or for self confidence. The fact that you are implying that I am doing this as an attention *kitten* or a drama queen is disrespectful. If you cannot enter a conversation that has differing opinions then that is YOUR problem. If the only way to sway someone is to attack their character then maybe you need to stop trying to sway people and let them be an individual. I am letting YOU be an individual aren't I? I never said you were WRONG, I just told you to stop attacking me.
It's great you are a "thinking" type. But allow us emotional thinkers (me) think what we want in the matter, even if you have scientific proof that proves otherwise. Truth is, science contradicts itself so there is no stable "truth" in the world except what you want to believe.
Are you seriously reading something different than what's on a screen? You seriously just CREATED words he did not say NOR did he imply. What he was saying, "If you just want people to tell you how GREAT your opinion is and NOT disagree with you, go find that. Since you are here, people will disagree with the article AND your opinions."
I honestly have never seen anyone like you. This isn't an attack, it's a flat out observation. You literally create scenarios that are completely outside of what's happening. We all see the same text as you, but you see it as an attack or "passive-aggression" every time.
This is a personal attack: "You're stupid, ignorant, fat, bla bla."
This is not a personal attack: "It's childish to put a topic out for debate and get overly defensive and even antagonistic when people disagree with your topic AND your opinions."
Do you see the difference?
Edit: Oh, and you just redefined the word "fact" up there, I see. Too bad I can't upload .gifs right now, as I have a variety of very choice responses to that.0 -
I am letting YOU be an individual aren't I? I never said you were WRONG, I just told you to stop attacking me.
It's great you are a "thinking" type. But allow us emotional thinkers (me) think what we want in the matter, even if you have scientific proof that proves otherwise. Truth is, science contradicts itself so there is no stable "truth" in the world except what you want to believe.
Individuals are wrong all of the time, without being considered less of an individual. You're acting as if someone says something you believe is not based in reality, that it is YOU being attacked. No. Your belief is. It's important to understand the difference. If you don't, it's not a good idea to stir up "debate." The art of debate is based in logic and "thinking," not emotion. If you don't want to do it, don't start it.
Science does not contradict itself. Studies sometimes do. And then the scientists find the confounding factors, peer review and come to a consensus.0 -
Get over yourselves. Some people are just as devastatingly addicted to food, porn, co-dependence etc. than you were to dope. It is just as equally legitimate as your dope habit. I am a recovered drug addict for nearly 14 years. There is nothing offensive about this.I get sooooooo sick of people referring to the need for sustenance as an addiction! As a recovering addict, I find it completely offensive! There is a huge difference between lacking self control when it comes to food and being chemically dependent on a narcotic substance.
The confusion comes in because some of the principles that are used to help drug addicts can also help people in other facets of life, including self-control and self-discipline, which can be applied to weight loss. But there is NO such thing as a 'food' addiction.
Completely agree! It makes me angry as well. :grumble:
I have no addiction to "dope." I have never had any addiction, except to nicotine. You are confusing me with another poster who stated they recovered from addiction. It is offensive to anyone who has truly studied addiction. Food and porn are emotional/mental dependencies. There is no withdrawal syndrome associated with either activity.0 -
lololololololI think someone in this thread is emotionally addicted to trolling people with misinformation.
I enjoy giving information and watching people analyze it for credibility. The world isn't black and white, there will be some grays and even reds. You can't dismiss an entire article because you believe it isn't credible. It's like those people who believe in God and then dismiss everything that says he isn't real. Just open your mind a little is all I ask.0 -
Translation of terms for anyone who might need it:
Addiction = Preference
Fact = Opinion
Attack = Not Agreeing
Discussion Which Strays From The Truth = BS0 -
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.
Stop using the word fact if you don't know what it means.
Seriously! You need a dictionary!0 -
I think someone in this thread is emotionally addicted to trolling people with misinformation.
^^ Truth
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A fact is truth....undeniable. Like "water is wet". That is a fact. If you choose to believe that water is dry, that may be your "belief" but it does not make it "fact".
I am a man of a very small vocabulary. I speak in hopes that people will understand what I'm trying to say instead of pedantically tell me I spoke wrong. Thank you for letting me know, the point I was trying to make with the word "belief" in the place of fact is still valid.0 -
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.
Stop using the word fact if you don't know what it means.
Seriously! You need a dictionary!
Agreed. Or I need other people to stop being pedantic. You knew what I meant, why can't you just accept me for who I am? I have.0 -
There is nothing Natural in natural flavour - its a masking name manufacturers are allowed to use to hide the chemical mix they use to preserve and make food taste they way it does.
Read the book Fast Food Nation for an acurate explanation of what exactly a "natural flavour" is. It's pretty scary stuff :-(0 -
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.
Stop using the word fact if you don't know what it means.
Seriously! You need a dictionary!
Agreed. Or I need other people to stop being pedantic. You knew what I meant, why can't you just accept me for who I am? I have.
No I really didn't, you say fact like it's an opinion...It's a fact you have no clue what you are talking about!0 -
Science does not contradict itself. Studies sometimes do. And then the scientists find the confounding factors, peer review and come to a consensus.
So is coffee good for you or bad for you then? Science (or rather scientific studies for you pedants out there) has had proven both that it is good and bad for you. Considering you are a only interested in scientific discussion and not theoretical, what is your argument on the matter and which scientific study do you align with?0 -
It's fact for me. If it's not fact for you, then that's where you share your facts. But don't you dare push your facts on me as my facts are not the same.
Stop using the word fact if you don't know what it means.
Seriously! You need a dictionary!
Agreed. Or I need other people to stop being pedantic. You knew what I meant, why can't you just accept me for who I am? I have.
Clearly no one knew what you meant. That's what words are for: to effectively communicate. I think you should refrain from trying to communicate online so much since you have a very hard time saying what you "mean to say." Or perhaps you should accept yourself for who you are... but strive to improve? Isn't that what this whole site is for? Improving oneself?
You can improve your mind, your rhetoric, etc., too.0 -
All foods have varying qualities of nutrition. There is no such thing as an 'empty calories'. The closest possible consumable with 'empty calories' is alcohol... which coincidentally is addictive.
You are trolling. You started debate and then took offense when others disagreed with you. Now you are pretending that you have somehow done us a service by intentionally picking a fight.
The true test of character is how others perceive you and not how you perceive yourself.
Then I hope you perceive me as a person who makes decisions emotionally and enjoys discussions about controversial topics without involving his opinion being judged. I allow everyone to think for themselves, why can't I deserve the same respect?
I find it funny that you keep making the claim that you are an 'emotional' thinker. Emotional and rational are polar opposites. If you are an emotional thinker, then you are not a rational thinker, and therefore, your point loses validity. Pointing out to you that your point has no validity is not a personal attack. You have claimed this article as representation of your own system of beliefs, then tell us to attack the article and not you for your system of beliefs.
Well... the article is ignorant... what does that say about your system of beliefs? Am I being passive-aggressive now by pointing out something without directly saying it? Sure. Is that offensive? Maybe to you, but the truth hurts when we aren't open-minded enough to accept the possibilities.
The person I most feel for is your wife. If my husband were to go on the internet and publicly ostracize me for my food choices in front of a group of random strangers, I certainly would not consider myself to be in a good, positive, mature relationship. Best of luck to ya! I'm done with this.0 -
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No I really didn't, you say fact like it's an opinion...It's a fact you have no clue what you are talking about!
Not, it's a belief that I have no idea what I am talking about. In my experience (experiencing is fact to me) I am not believing wrongly. But in your experience, I can understand why you would think I am.0 -
Science does not contradict itself. Studies sometimes do. And then the scientists find the confounding factors, peer review and come to a consensus.
So is coffee good for you or bad for you then? Science (or rather scientific studies for you pedants out there) has had proven both that it is good and bad for you. Considering you are a only interested in scientific discussion and not theoretical, what is your argument on the matter and which scientific study do you align with?
That something can have both positives and negatives(not black and white) is not a surprise to me.0 -
Science does not contradict itself. Studies sometimes do. And then the scientists find the confounding factors, peer review and come to a consensus.
So is coffee good for you or bad for you then? Science (or rather scientific studies for you pedants out there) has had proven both that it is good and bad for you. Considering you are a only interested in scientific discussion and not theoretical, what is your argument on the matter and which scientific study do you align with?
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We're not being pedants. We're not angry because you're using the wrong form of "your" or something. You are using words completely wrong and trying to use them to illustrate a point.
You can't say fact when you mean opinion. They aren't interchangeable.
You can't try and have an intelligent debate about food and nutrition if your attitude is going to be "I don't need to use scientific studies. Articles from biased websites work fine. I like what they say. It makes me happy on an emotional level."
If YOU want to do that for YOU that's perfectly cool! Go right ahead and have fun.
But stop saying that everyone who disagrees with your "feelings" on eating is attacking you!0
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