"Natural Flavor" ingredient exposed?

BrettPGH

You see, I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to offer some fresh perspectives here. The lot of you have your head "inside the box" and I'm just trying to help people see that it's not ALWAYS the obese person's fault on how they got where they are. My wife is just addicted (or rather prefers) the taste of these things that draw people to the empty calorie foods. I'm just trying to offer insight here.

You aren't going to convince anyone of anything when you freely admit to not using science, data, evidence or anything other than your own personal feelings. If you're going to try to bring up studies...well use actual studies and not just articles from biased websites.

And really, next thread you start just say "everyone has to agree with me. I can't handle dissenting opinions and will complain I am being attacked."

Also comparing "addicted" to "prefers" is like comparing "murdered" to "slapped".

Topher1978

I get sooooooo sick of people referring to the need for sustenance as an addiction! As a recovering addict, I find it completely offensive! There is a huge difference between lacking self control when it comes to food and being chemically dependent on a narcotic substance.

The confusion comes in because some of the principles that are used to help drug addicts can also help people in other facets of life, including self-control and self-discipline, which can be applied to weight loss. But there is NO such thing as a 'food' addiction.

Completely agree! It makes me angry as well. :grumble:

Get over yourselves. Some people are just as devastatingly addicted to food, porn, co-dependence etc. than you were to dope. It is just as equally legitimate as your dope habit. I am a recovered drug addict for nearly 14 years. There is nothing offensive about this.

WendyTerry420

I could take any "addicted" person to the country-side of France and feed them with local unprocessed food without any of this flavoring and you would not see any dependency or withdrawal symptoms. No where is your addiction?

Exactly!

EccentricDad

EccentricDad is the ultimate troll. He got us good.

You see, I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to offer some fresh perspectives here. The lot of you have your head "inside the box" and I'm just trying to help people see that it's not ALWAYS the obese person's fault on how they got where they are.

This is true in some rare exceptions, but as it is wholly false, it causes controversy and is therefore trolling because you refuse to educate yourself otherwise.

My wife is just addicted (or rather prefers) the taste of these things that draw people to the empty calorie foods. I'm just trying to offer insight here.

Stop using the word addicted, it is false and misleading. So once again, trolling.

You can't abstractly read the word "addict" and think in your mind "prefers"? Clearly not everyone is a clinical addict. There are many levels of addiction; just like there are many levels of autism and depression. I don't think I am misusing the word. I am just using it in a way you prefer it not to be used. But I will respect your wishes going forward.

UsedToBeHusky

There is no win or lose to this debate. As long as we aren't attacking ME personally I don't care if you disagree. But this disagreement is with the 60 minutes piece, not with me so stop directing your aggression at me!

I don't really see where anyone directed their aggression at you. You are trolling for aggression.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines. If you read and try to understand motives/intentions you will see plenty of people were. Not everything can be read literally. Example below:



Typically people who wear Tapout shirts are just fans or people who want to "fit in". So even though this seems like an innocent comment, it's really an attack on the person wearing it. They call it "passive-aggression".

You spend too much time over-analyzing things. Passive-aggressive or not, it was still not an open attack. How can you have a rational debate on any subject if you go around pointing fingers at everyone who disputes you?

EccentricDad

You aren't going to convince anyone of anything when you freely admit to not using science, data, evidence or anything other than your own personal feelings. If you're going to try to bring up studies...well use actual studies and not just articles from biased websites.

Never tried to convince anyone. I just spoke my opinion and stirred up discussion. How you judge the information you read is up to you. I'd be fascinated to learn why you think the way you do but don't attack me for the way that I make my decisions.

EccentricDad

There is no win or lose to this debate. As long as we aren't attacking ME personally I don't care if you disagree. But this disagreement is with the 60 minutes piece, not with me so stop directing your aggression at me!

I don't really see where anyone directed their aggression at you. You are trolling for aggression.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines. If you read and try to understand motives/intentions you will see plenty of people were. Not everything can be read literally. Example below:



Typically people who wear Tapout shirts are just fans or people who want to "fit in". So even though this seems like an innocent comment, it's really an attack on the person wearing it. They call it "passive-aggression".

You spend too much time over-analyzing things. Passive-aggressive or not, it was still not an open attack. How can you have a rational debate on any subject if you go around pointing fingers at everyone who disputes you?

They can dispute the article, not me that's all I'm trying to say. Most people are calling ME an idiot for believing this article. Why not just argue the article instead of call ME names.

firstsip

It's funny, because I've read every post, and I still can't see where someone has called you an "idiot" or a name...

UsedToBeHusky

I get sooooooo sick of people referring to the need for sustenance as an addiction! As a recovering addict, I find it completely offensive! There is a huge difference between lacking self control when it comes to food and being chemically dependent on a narcotic substance.

The confusion comes in because some of the principles that are used to help drug addicts can also help people in other facets of life, including self-control and self-discipline, which can be applied to weight loss. But there is NO such thing as a 'food' addiction.

Completely agree! It makes me angry as well. :grumble:

Get over yourselves. Some people are just as devastatingly addicted to food, porn, co-dependence etc. than you were to dope. It is just as equally legitimate as your dope habit. I am a recovered drug addict for nearly 14 years. There is nothing offensive about this.

The term 'food addiction' is over-used and subjectively trite. Some can become addicted to food, but only if they are using it to generate the chemical response in the brain that other addictions cause. This can only occur if one routinely and obsessively over-indulges on a single food that might generate this response... say chocolate for example. They would have to eat chocolate while simultaneously ignoring the body's natural responses. In other words, one is potentially addicted to food only if they eat a food that generates a dopamine-related response on the brain (such as chocolate) even after their bodies begin to reject the food through expulsion. This rarely, if ever, happens.

No... what people term as 'food addiction' is not even close to a chemical dependence.

EccentricDad

All foods have varying qualities of nutrition. There is no such thing as an 'empty calories'. The closest possible consumable with 'empty calories' is alcohol... which coincidentally is addictive.

You are trolling. You started debate and then took offense when others disagreed with you. Now you are pretending that you have somehow done us a service by intentionally picking a fight.

The true test of character is how others perceive you and not how you perceive yourself.

Then I hope you perceive me as a person who makes decisions emotionally and enjoys discussions about controversial topics without involving his opinion being judged. I allow everyone to think for themselves, why can't I deserve the same respect?

Birdie

Just last week I got totally sick after eating one of those new "prime" steaks by walmart that they advertised so much about on masterchef and hells kitchen. I thought I would try one if they are good enough for chef Ramsey, they are good enough for me. I thought meat was just meat. But after having a severe allegic reaction I checked the package and it said "natural flavoring". I know now that it contains some derivative of milk protiens. Sorry but all I want in my meat... is meat.

her4g63

<facepalm>

Bentley2718

I hate to nit pick, but I'm going to anyway, you label this "natural flavor" but the link discusses "artificial flavors." I did find Kessler's The End of Overeating, interesting and illuminating though.

EccentricDad

It's funny, because I've read every post, and I still can't see where someone has called you an "idiot" or a name...

That's how passive aggression works. It goes under the radar. That's why you can never catch a person who is a back-stabber until after the backstabbing or rumor spreading is done and killed your reputation. It's aggression done in the covert. Most passive-aggression is done in the form of humor with a sharp tongue. But no worries, I seem to have it under control.

VanessaGS

I think some of the stuff we intake no matter how good it tastes is not good for you. A lot of things we intake lead to illnesses later on in the future and putting tons of chemicals in your body that don't go there should not be good. I'm trying to eat less processed things now. I've added fruit back into my diet upon other things. Sadly to say most of the stuff we consume now and one thing or another in it that's just not good for your body, but most of us don't have a choice.

EccentricDad

I hate to nit pick, but I'm going to anyway, you label this "natural flavor" but the link discusses "artificial flavors." I did find Kessler's The End of Overeating, interesting and illuminating though.

Mistyped. But on the contrary, I have read that "natural flavors" is just flavors added to things that came from natural things (but are getting the emotional response they want). When I see "natural flavors" on raw ground turkey it makes me wonder why they couldn't just have the ground turkey. What are they adding if it isn't already "natural"....

BrettPGH

You aren't going to convince anyone of anything when you freely admit to not using science, data, evidence or anything other than your own personal feelings. If you're going to try to bring up studies...well use actual studies and not just articles from biased websites.

Never tried to convince anyone. I just spoke my opinion and stirred up discussion. How you judge the information you read is up to you. I'd be fascinated to learn why you think the way you do but don't attack me for the way that I make my decisions.

Simple. I use logic and reason to evaluate the claims being made. I don't believe things because they make me feel good.

That's how you find the truth. If that's anything you're interested in. If you'd rather just believe things that make you feel good you can feel free to do that. But stop being surprised when the information you attempt to pass off as valid gets shot to sunshine.

I also don't post topics for debate and tell everyone who disagrees with me to stop attacking me. Because it's childish. Just look in the mirror and tell yourself how smart and pretty you are if that's what you're after. But if you post a topic for discussion you will get any manner of replies. Know that.

VanessaGS

Just last week I got totally sick after eating one of those new "prime" steaks by walmart that they advertised so much about on masterchef and hells kitchen. I thought I would try one if they are good enough for chef Ramsey, they are good enough for me. I thought meat was just meat. But after having a severe allegic reaction I checked the package and it said "natural flavoring". I know now that it contains some derivative of milk protiens. Sorry but all I want in my meat... is meat.

I'VE HAD BETTER STEAKS!

EccentricDad

No... what people term as 'food addiction' is not even close to a chemical dependence.

I think people can become emotionally dependent on a lot of things. And since emotions are just hormones which secrete chemicals in our body/brain to get a response from our consciousness, I think it's possible that we could be dependent on food other than survival. Just the same we are on anything else that brings us good feelings. The problem is we see "good tasting foods" as a reward and "poor tasting foods" as a punishment (eating cake versus eating brussel sprouts). It depends on how you were raised and how your parents convinced you to eat the "poor tasting foods" in my opinion. And once this preference is in the subconscious, it plays out like a record in our life day in and day out until we seek help.

ilovedeadlifts

I think someone in this thread is emotionally addicted to trolling people with misinformation.