Gluten is the Devil

GorillaEsq

There is nothing about gluten that would harm anyone unless you’re allergic to it.

The same is true for poison, thumbtacks, turtle meat and yak balls. I don't eat any of those either.

You should eat those. It's a required part of the "everything in moderation" mindset. To exclude anything from your diet is completely unsustainable.

I'm sure there is a website that supports each of those diets, somewhere. To the Google-machine!

sa11yjane

Interesting..... I went gluten free to help IBS and, after being symptom free for months, I gradually reintroduced it. However, my weight is just not budging and I am definitely getting stiffer and more achy- maybe it's time to drop it again (such a shame as it tastes sooo good!)

patmegkaren

You are very humorous. I too feel particularly gross after eating lots of gluten but for some reason keep going back for more (beer need I say more) I can feel my stomach bloating after I indulge and I know I am going to feel sick what can I say, I'm a glutton (gluten) for punishment, ha ha

Akimajuktuq

Maybe you felt better because it was in your head that you were doing a good thing? I don't believe gluten is a bad thing and if I don't have a medical reason, I see no reason to cut it from my diet personally. Until I do, if I do, I won't be gutting it out. I don't eat much pasta or breads anymore because of it being high in carbs and all, I wish I felt better from doing so, but I don't. To each his own.

Yup, it's all in our heads, diet can't possibly affect health. This is the kind of comment that irks me so badly.

My diet resolved: severe depression, anxiety, anti-social behaviour, indigestion, gas, bloating, acid reflux, ulcers, chronic pain (this was bad enough that I was considering suicide), sleep apnea, insomnia, joint pain, muscle cramps, pre diabetes, headaches, chronic infections/colds/flus/bronchitis, and more.

Many of the health problems are common ailments that people suffer with that don't even know they are sick. For instance, depression, gas, bloating, etc. No, lots of gas is not normal and feeling "down" is not normal.

You don't have to change your diet, but stop discrediting the experience of other people. Thanks.

She wasn't discrediting your experience, just stating her opinion. She clarified that medical reasons could warrant it, but that for her such exclusion wasn't necessary.

Yes she was discrediting the experience by saying "all in your head". That is totally discrediting and also considered verbal abuse.

Poor reading comprehension..........

Pot, meet kettle...

I just saw a post by you a ways back where you talk about not being able to lay on the ground, let alone sleep there. The OP did mention, in response to the post you quoted, that he slept on an air mattress just as comfortable as his bed. Yeah, my reading comprehension is lacking for sure. Perhaps I should start arguing as hard as I can about something that I have no knowledge of and never even tried.

(Yeah, one wouldn't want to lay on the ground. Having any connection with the natural world is just dumb and a waste of time and not proven by science.)

ZoeLifts

Don't mind me, I'm just here to stalk this thread....

WendyTerry420

I always thought gluten could only be found in baked goods - it's what gives dough its elasticity. How could it ever turn up in candy? :huh:

Gluten is in a lot of things. It's a serious problem for people with Celiac's. I have a friend who had anal cancer and she has a lot of issues because of it. She's VERy sensitive to gluten. Even if there's a microscopic speck of it on the counter and it gets into, say, a chicken breast, she's sick for hours.

She calls it "getting glutened."

So, if you really and truly have a severe sensitivity to it, you'll know. And avoiding baked goods isn't enough.

It is amazing what it is in - any products using flour, beers, malt extract and vinegars, Vodka and so many other things. They use wheat starch as a thicker/bulking agent and rusk, which is found in burgers and sausages, is another culprit. I've learnt to check everything I use as it is amazing where it can be found - tinned cherries for example.

I have to be so careful and tend to cook most things from scratch and shopping is horrendous.

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

WendyTerry420

Maybe you felt better because it was in your head that you were doing a good thing? I don't believe gluten is a bad thing and if I don't have a medical reason, I see no reason to cut it from my diet personally. Until I do, if I do, I won't be gutting it out. I don't eat much pasta or breads anymore because of it being high in carbs and all, I wish I felt better from doing so, but I don't. To each his own.

Yup, it's all in our heads, diet can't possibly affect health. This is the kind of comment that irks me so badly.

My diet resolved: severe depression, anxiety, anti-social behaviour, indigestion, gas, bloating, acid reflux, ulcers, chronic pain (this was bad enough that I was considering suicide), sleep apnea, insomnia, joint pain, muscle cramps, pre diabetes, headaches, chronic infections/colds/flus/bronchitis, and more.

Many of the health problems are common ailments that people suffer with that don't even know they are sick. For instance, depression, gas, bloating, etc. No, lots of gas is not normal and feeling "down" is not normal.

You don't have to change your diet, but stop discrediting the experience of other people. Thanks.

She wasn't discrediting your experience, just stating her opinion. She clarified that medical reasons could warrant it, but that for her such exclusion wasn't necessary.

Yes she was discrediting the experience by saying "all in your head". That is totally discrediting and also considered verbal abuse.

Poor reading comprehension..........

Pot, meet kettle...

I just saw a post by you a ways back where you talk about not being able to lay on the ground, let alone sleep there. The OP did mention, in response to the post you quoted, that he slept on an air mattress just as comfortable as his bed. Yeah, my reading comprehension is lacking for sure. Perhaps I should start arguing as hard as I can about something that I have no knowledge of and never even tried.

(Yeah, one wouldn't want to lay on the ground. Having any connection with the natural world is just dumb and a waste of time and not proven by science.)

I was just commenting in that post, not contradicting, debating, or anything else. It was simply a random comment. :laugh:

ETA: I don't care where someone chooses to sleep, but I thought others might find it interesting that I left the campsite to find a Walmart. I thought it was funny. :ohwell:

In fact, it *is* pretty funny to me. :laugh:

ArroganceInStep

Pot, meet kettle...

I just saw a post by you a ways back where you talk about not being able to lay on the ground, let alone sleep there. The OP did mention, in response to the post you quoted, that he slept on an air mattress just as comfortable as his bed. Yeah, my reading comprehension is lacking for sure. Perhaps I should start arguing as hard as I can about something that I have no knowledge of and never even tried.

(Yeah, one wouldn't want to lay on the ground. Having any connection with the natural world is just dumb and a waste of time and not proven by science.)

I think this is getting blown out of proportion very quickly. The OP was very clearly having a laugh about the whole thing. I'm absolutely positive the person you responded to with the 'in your head' comment didn't mean to offend.

It's Friday, get drunk and have a good weekend.

GorillaEsq

Don't mind me, I'm just here to stalk this thread....

What are the odds the person that shot that video, drank that Coke afterwards.

"Coke. It's even good with vermin."

jamk1446

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.

GorillaEsq

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.

If you're gonna bring facts and logic into my threads, we just can't be friends.

Akimajuktuq

In to remind me to read through all six pages to see the inevitable replies of how you're wrong about this.

Actually, I'm impressed how many of us have been willing to stick out our necks (yet again) to tell our stories about our amazing health improvements. There are enough people here who have had similar experiences that it gives me even more strength to withstand the ridicule and keep telling my story.

needamulligan

Gonna give it a read. Everyone is different. I've long felt addicted to carbs. Maybe It's a gluten sensitivity. Thanks for posting!

jamk1446

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.

If you're gonna bring facts and logic into my threads, we just can't be friends.

Hey! That was just mean! I thought we were all here for support!

Akimajuktuq

Most doctors don't have a clue about nutrition and disease prevention; that's not what they learn.

I see this nonsense on MFP all the time. And while I won't dispute that there are lazy doctors out there that don't keep up wth current research, or that many GP or non-nutrition related specialists are not nutrition experts. I question that "most" doctors don't have a clue about nutrition. I'd like to see statistics on this if anyone has them, but I think it's more often a comment based on a bad experience with a one doctor.

If nutrition advice is needed most GP will refer to or consult with a dietician.

I'm getting quite sick of this crap. When I say "most" doctors, I mean GPs, which are the doctors that most of us get to see. I don't mean nutritional specialists. I'm also talking about my own experiences, information from other people and the conclusions that I have come to through thousands of hours of research; I am not refering to any official statistics, not that I would put any weight in them either (yup, studied statistics, know a bit how they work!). In my experience it is not usually easy to get referred to a specialist at all for anything. I also am not aware if specialists have been educated on disease prevention any more than a GP; that's not how the health industry is currently set up.

I do actually have a clue of medical school curricula (was curious, checked it out) and I have actually had some of my doctors openly admit that they are not educated about nutrition or disease prevention.

"Thousands of hours of research" on which doctors are well versed in nutrition but you don't know any statistics on the subject? :huh:

Really? I have to justify myself for my opinions to you get again? I don't spout statistics. They are meaningless. Twisting my words doesn't make you more credible.

WendyTerry420

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.

Oh! Ok. Thanks.

That actually makes sense when I think about.

jus_in_bello

I've heard about 1/3 of Americans have a gluten sensitivity, some people are asymptomatic but as they age and their GI tract deteriorates it will show.

I know a lot of people who go "gluten free" but they don't check sauces, chips, or other things that aren't obviously glutenous and thus think they don't have a gluten issue, it's an all or nothing thing, if you don't go totally free for your test you won't get an accurate response.

I don't think people who don't have a gluten issue should go unless they want to, my SO will have to go GF, I'm super sensitive and have to have a GF kitchen.

I have celiac, I'm hyper sensitive to gluten. Since going GF two years ago I'm off my ADD meds, sleep meds, anti-depressants. Withing weeks of going GF my chronic migraines are gone, chronic joint pain that I've had since middle school is gone, all my digestive issues are gone. All it took was a few weeks going GF before I knew what was best for my body, it hurts no one to try, if you are you've improved your life, if you aren't, eat a burger from 5 Guys Burgers and Fries for me!

ETA: I have a few friends who were diagnosed with IBS in high school, when I went GF I challenged them to do it too, all off their IBS meds and gluten free, all better, it was a misdiagnosis and is an incredibly common misdiagnosis.

jflint86

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.

Oh! Ok. Thanks.

That actually makes sense when I think about.

Gluten is found in wheat, barley, and rye. Barley malt is added to many foods as a flavoring. Chex used to use barley malt in their cereals until they replaced it with brown sugar syrup to make their rice and corn chex varieties gluten free Just one example of how gluten is found in common foods.

bcattoes

Gonna give it a read. Everyone is different. I've long felt addicted to carbs. Maybe It's a gluten sensitivity. Thanks for posting!

Why would a food sensitivity make you addicted to it? Gluten sensitivity normally causes things like bloating, joint pain, headaces, and other uncomfortable physical problems. I've never known it to cause addiction.

Though being "addicted" to a macro nutrient sounds either impossible or normal. We are after all supposed to eat them, so can wanting to eat them be considered an addiction? It sounds rather like being "addicted" to oxygen.

jus_in_bello

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.

Gluten isn't found in yeast, it's in wheat. Beer isn't GF because of the wheat/barely/malt etc, not because of the yeast.