CARBS ARE GOOD!

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  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    Still find these threads funny...

    Simple response, show medical proof.

    I don't care what you "think", the proof has been done and dusted. There are essential fats and essential proteins, there are however NO essential carbs and your body can produce glycogen through protein instead of carbohydrates.

    You will eat carbs, that is a fact, however... don't say all carbs are equal as they aren't... Also one persons needs to another is vastly different.

    During off season training and when I rest I rarely have any carbs at all, have no problem with energy etc, however during peak training, not a hell am I going through it without carbs. for instance 80-100km a week for peak training, your body can only absorb so much protein! However carbs your body will happily eat up! So carb away for things like that... So your right, carbs for fuel is the point.

    Point is, your body can happily for ever live without carbs, maybe you wont feel 100%, but you will be happy and will manage just fine. If on the other hand you eat no fat or protein, well... you'll die... that make more sense? Your body can make the fuel it gets from carbs from protein. And after a while, your metabolism adapts. Give it a month. If you haven't, then you haven't even tried.

    Also I do ultra marathons and hate carbs in general.. I have them, but only as needed as fuel when NEEDED, not just to have because there is no point in them except for quick recovery.

    Carbs help with leptin uptake.
    Thats fat loss.
    most folk who go "low carb" lose the fat but have bounce back issues with gaining some/all/more fat back once eating a regular balanced diet.
    Why go through that if you can just eat in moderation.
    Now if you have some type of allergy to a certain type of carb then fine.
    Do what you can to cut what you need.
    But for fat loss, carbs are fantastic!

    That is true if your body can process them properly. But obese people have metabolic processes that are aberrant. Ever observe inhabitants of countries where food security is a problem? The mothers often show up at the clinics with skinny, malnourished children (particularly protein malnourished--with pathetically thin arms and legs and swollen bellies characteristic of children who get inadequate protein in their diets) but they are themselves obese. At first, Western doctors assumed that the mothers were eating all the available food and not leaving any for their children. When they investigated, they discovered that the mothers were actually eating an all-carb diet that would have previously been thought by the doctors to be a starvation diet. These women's bodies were burning their muscles for what little energy they had, and the carbohydrates were being stored as fat gain. Only in absolute starvation situations did the characteristic "skin and bones" look emerge.


    Those metabolic issues have been known to go away once insulin resistance is broken.
    Figure out whats causing the insulin resistance and youll lose the fat.
    2 things come to mind.
    1) Fasting
    2) Weight lifting

    Or both.
    This is known to effect p-ratio almost like flipping the metabolic switch.
    You stop eating at 10pm, lift in the morning or do HIIT for 10mins in the AM then eat at about 1-2pm.
    Simple stuff.
    Scientific mumbojumbo can be found in almost every Ori Hoffmekler book.
    the guy has his **** together and I have women applying his principles now and losing weight while breaking insulin resistance and eating hella carbs on lift days.
  • ang3h
    ang3h Posts: 185 Member
    I love carbs :)
  • wrevhn
    wrevhn Posts: 864 Member
    So, I can drop the potatos, the rice, the pasta, and get all my carbs from VEGETABLES (which are carbs)... Right?

    Yes. I'm right.

    Why? Because I dropped carbs, feel fan-frikkin'-tastic, and I've lost weight. So there.

    Me too. Actually, considerably reduced the simple carbs but I never pass up a complex carb! Never felt better! I must be one of the metabolically broken ones. And, did I say that I've never felt better?!


    I think an issue in this thread is generalizing the carbs together. Good "carbs" like whole grains and veggies are one thing. Potatoes, corn and etc are another. I personally don't feel well on to many grains, and def not the lesser carbs. But veggies and protein I feel cleaner inside, more energy.

    I think its important to do what feels right for you and your body.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    So, I can drop the potatos, the rice, the pasta, and get all my carbs from VEGETABLES (which are carbs)... Right?

    Yes. I'm right.

    Why? Because I dropped carbs, feel fan-frikkin'-tastic, and I've lost weight. So there.

    Me too. Actually, considerably reduced the simple carbs but I never pass up a complex carb! Never felt better! I must be one of the metabolically broken ones. And, did I say that I've never felt better?!


    I think an issue in this thread is generalizing the carbs together. Good "carbs" like whole grains and veggies are one thing. Potatoes, corn and etc are another. I personally don't feel well on to many grains, and def not the lesser carbs. But veggies and protein I feel cleaner inside, more energy.

    I think its important to do what feels right for you and your body.

    Potatoes are fantastic post workout food.
    Turns right into muscle food!
    Nothing wrong with em!
  • Bakkasan
    Bakkasan Posts: 1,027 Member
    Potatoes are fantastic post workout food.
    Turns right into muscle food!
    Nothing wrong with em!

    Sweet potatoes! They are awesome just plain baked after being rubbed in olive oil and sprinkled with salt. Bake at 400 for 1 hour. Perfect every time, only 160 cals for a decent sized tater. Eating a white potato without toppings is sheer torture to me.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    SRS if you have a food allergy then avoid it.
    If not then leave it be.

    Search "Corn used my man parts as a speedbag" and youll get it.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Thats right i said it.

    1.) Carbs are fuel, treat them as such and they will present no problem for you
    2.) no carb nazis get sick from not having carbs...proof enough?
    3.) i do realize there are bad carbs. if you need someone to tell you wheat bread is better than bleached white bread or to put down the cookie, then you have bigger problems.

    While what you have said is certainly true for non-obese individuals who are very active, obese individuals have a particularly nasty set of metabolic problems that must be dealt with if they are going to get to a healthier state. It may be necessary for an obese individual to restrict carbohydrates to 60-100 grams a day in order to lose body fat. In addition, it may be essential to limit fructose consumption to 15 grams per day in order to effect fat loss as some obese people have a "toxic" reaction to the consumption of fructose---it makes them hoard their fat stores at the expense of lean tissue! :noway: Some obese individuals are able to convert blood glucose to fructose, so anything that boosts blood sugar (like simple carbs) is going to cause them problems.

    My carbs are 173 grams a day. I don't think carbs are an issue for anyone, outside of a medical condition like diabetes or something.

    But most obese people (and the more severely obese, the worse the situation) are "pre-diabetic" meaning that they have insulin resistance. If not addressed, insulin resistance becomes Type II diabetes in a great number of cases. Women have a worse problem than men because estrogen causes "fat hoarding" and high blood sugar/high insulin (insulin is the "fat storing hormone"). Obesity (especially "morbid obesity") is a complex metabolic problem that requires a multi-modality approach.

    I don't believe that to be true.

    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.

    Well you can look at my ticker and my food diary and find that you are clearly wrong. I've lowered my body fat percentage by more than 12% in less than four months, down 41 pounds in total body weight. I'm on 1800 calories, so I'm able to eat plenty of protein and fats as well as a variety of different types of carbs, including sucrose. My strength and muscle tone has also increased dramatically in this short time.

    There are many others in the MFP community that have done the same. My statement stands, with some exceptions for medical conditions and personal preferences, there is no reason to avoid eating a variety of carbohydrates.
  • DaoneandonlyMe
    DaoneandonlyMe Posts: 118 Member
    I was told by a trainer not to have carbs after Lunch...no breads , pasta, rice , flour etc...
    What do you think about that ?
  • Thesoundofwolf
    Thesoundofwolf Posts: 378 Member
    All things in balance. Yep.

    There are smarter, better for you carbs out there, and even natural carbs in whole fruits and vegetables for you paleo people out there. Can't make a car work just on gas, you need oil and a good car battery too. So keep that in mind when getting food for your body.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    I was told by a trainer not to have carbs after Lunch...no breads , pasta, rice , flour etc...
    What do you think about that ?

    Fire them!
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member

    Potatoes are fantastic post workout food.
    Turns right into muscle food!
    Nothing wrong with em!

    I eat potatoes several times a week. Not only are they delicious and versatile, they are inexpensive.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member


    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.

    This is complete nonsense. Studies show no difference between the various methods of losing weight in terms of health or efficacy. Nothing wrong with low carb if that is your preference but don't spout BS. Or back it up, but if people like James Krieger, Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald and our own Steve Troutman haven't found any credible studies that prove this, I doubt you will.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.

    This is crap.

    Heres a simple way to understand fat....
    The 4 major biological functions of fat tissue are
    (1) energy storage
    (2) toxin storage
    (3) protection against insulin resistance, and
    (4) protection against estrogen decline in women.
    Eliminate the functions of fat tissue also eliminates the reasons for its existence.

    If you give fat a reason not to exist then it wont...to a degree.
    Carbs trigger leptin.
    Leptin triggers fat loss.

    Sure you can limit carbs and eat lower than you burn but lets be honest, unless you have an iron will YOU will eat the carbs again.
    The trick is to learn when to eat the proper carbs in order to make them work for you.
    Even women with PCOS or high insulin resistance can benefit from carbs be it starchy or fibrous.
    So the true question is.....how do we repair our broken metabolisms so we dont have to limit our foods?
    Its certainly not by restricting 1 specific macronutrient.
    That is unless you are allergic to specific foods.

    Some of the best whooshes reported by my group have been after eating high cals with high carbs post chronic caloric restriction.
  • mabelbabel1
    mabelbabel1 Posts: 391 Member
    So, I can drop the potatos, the rice, the pasta, and get all my carbs from VEGETABLES (which are carbs)... Right?

    Yes. I'm right.

    Why? Because I dropped carbs, feel fan-frikkin'-tastic, and I've lost weight. So there.

    Me too. Actually, considerably reduced the simple carbs but I never pass up a complex carb! Never felt better! I must be one of the metabolically broken ones. And, did I say that I've never felt better?!


    I think an issue in this thread is generalizing the carbs together. Good "carbs" like whole grains and veggies are one thing. Potatoes, corn and etc are another. I personally don't feel well on to many grains, and def not the lesser carbs. But veggies and protein I feel cleaner inside, more energy.

    I think its important to do what feels right for you and your body.


    POTATOES are GOOD CARBS! They provide fibre and a multitude of vitamins and are especially high in B6 and Vitamin C...keep the skin on to get the most benefit.

    The only time potatoes should be restricted is when they are peeled and fried in fat!


    I may start a "We love potatoes group!"
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    ^^^ Thanks, Dan. Great post.

    Another thing I could add to my personal experience is that I have *never* been in a large caloric restriction. Not *every* obese woman has been dieting her whole life.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    So, I can drop the potatos, the rice, the pasta, and get all my carbs from VEGETABLES (which are carbs)... Right?

    Yes. I'm right.

    Why? Because I dropped carbs, feel fan-frikkin'-tastic, and I've lost weight. So there.

    Me too. Actually, considerably reduced the simple carbs but I never pass up a complex carb! Never felt better! I must be one of the metabolically broken ones. And, did I say that I've never felt better?!


    I think an issue in this thread is generalizing the carbs together. Good "carbs" like whole grains and veggies are one thing. Potatoes, corn and etc are another. I personally don't feel well on to many grains, and def not the lesser carbs. But veggies and protein I feel cleaner inside, more energy.

    I think its important to do what feels right for you and your body.


    POTATOES are GOOD CARBS! They provide fibre and a multitude of vitamins and are especially high in B6 and Vitamin C...keep the skin on to get the most benefit.

    The only time potatoes should be restricted is when they are peeled and fried in fat!


    I may start a "We love potatoes group!"

    And potatssim, don't forget potassium. Why do we have to hate on foods and call them "good" or "bad"? So sad.....:sad:
  • Nerdybreisawesome
    Nerdybreisawesome Posts: 359 Member
    So, I can drop the potatos, the rice, the pasta, and get all my carbs from VEGETABLES (which are carbs)... Right?

    Yes. I'm right.

    Why? Because I dropped carbs, feel fan-frikkin'-tastic, and I've lost weight. So there.

    Me too. Actually, considerably reduced the simple carbs but I never pass up a complex carb! Never felt better! I must be one of the metabolically broken ones. And, did I say that I've never felt better?!


    I think an issue in this thread is generalizing the carbs together. Good "carbs" like whole grains and veggies are one thing. Potatoes, corn and etc are another. I personally don't feel well on to many grains, and def not the lesser carbs. But veggies and protein I feel cleaner inside, more energy.

    I think its important to do what feels right for you and your body.


    POTATOES are GOOD CARBS! They provide fibre and a multitude of vitamins and are especially high in B6 and Vitamin C...keep the skin on to get the most benefit.

    The only time potatoes should be restricted is when they are peeled and fried in fat!


    I may start a "We love potatoes group!"

    And potatssim, don't forget potassium. Why do we have to hate on foods and call them "good" or "bad"? So sad.....:sad:


    I have PCOS and eat potatoes all the time.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member


    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.



    This is complete nonsense. Studies show no difference between the various methods of losing weight in terms of health or efficacy. Nothing wrong with low carb if that is your preference but don't spout BS. Or back it up, but if people like James Krieger, Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald and our own Steve Troutman haven't found any credible studies that prove this, I doubt you will.

    For one, there's a book by medical researcher, Richard Johnson, M.D. called, The Fat Switch. In it, he describes some of the biochemistry of obesity---and the results of his research. it is fascinating reading. You should try it.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.

    This is crap.

    Heres a simple way to understand fat....
    The 4 major biological functions of fat tissue are
    (1) energy storage
    (2) toxin storage
    (3) protection against insulin resistance, and
    (4) protection against estrogen decline in women.
    Eliminate the functions of fat tissue also eliminates the reasons for its existence.

    If you give fat a reason not to exist then it wont...to a degree.
    Carbs trigger leptin.
    Leptin triggers fat loss.

    Sure you can limit carbs and eat lower than you burn but lets be honest, unless you have an iron will YOU will eat the carbs again.
    The trick is to learn when to eat the proper carbs in order to make them work for you.
    Even women with PCOS or high insulin resistance can benefit from carbs be it starchy or fibrous.
    So the true question is.....how do we repair our broken metabolisms so we dont have to limit our foods?
    Its certainly not by restricting 1 specific macronutrient.
    That is unless you are allergic to specific foods.

    Some of the best whooshes reported by my group have been after eating high cals with high carbs post chronic caloric restriction.

    You are forgetting that lower-carb eating helps to get the appetite under control by lowering blood sugar for a long enough period that insulin levels start to come down and that helps to control appetite. When you combine that with exercise---weight training in particular, insulin resistance is lowered as well. In addition, uric acid levels come down on a carbohydrate (and purine) restricted diet. Many obese individuals have a real problem with very high uric acid levels. The high uric acid levels are part of the obesity picture.
  • furenaef
    furenaef Posts: 157 Member
    brb, having ben and jerrys peanut butter cup ice cream, a whole pint of it, and still being 12% bf.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    So, I can drop the potatos, the rice, the pasta, and get all my carbs from VEGETABLES (which are carbs)... Right?

    Yes. I'm right.

    Why? Because I dropped carbs, feel fan-frikkin'-tastic, and I've lost weight. So there.

    Me too. Actually, considerably reduced the simple carbs but I never pass up a complex carb! Never felt better! I must be one of the metabolically broken ones. And, did I say that I've never felt better?!


    I think an issue in this thread is generalizing the carbs together. Good "carbs" like whole grains and veggies are one thing. Potatoes, corn and etc are another. I personally don't feel well on to many grains, and def not the lesser carbs. But veggies and protein I feel cleaner inside, more energy.

    I think its important to do what feels right for you and your body.


    POTATOES are GOOD CARBS! They provide fibre and a multitude of vitamins and are especially high in B6 and Vitamin C...keep the skin on to get the most benefit.

    The only time potatoes should be restricted is when they are peeled and fried in fat!


    I may start a "We love potatoes group!"

    And potatssim, don't forget potassium. Why do we have to hate on foods and call them "good" or "bad"? So sad.....:sad:


    I have PCOS and eat potatoes all the time.

    Potatoes are a great source of magnesium and potassium---very good minerals for those trying to lose weight. Adequate magnesium levels are essential for cellular energy transfer. And potassium counters the effect of high sodium intake. Excessive sodium is also part of the obesity picture---particularly in the form of monosodium glutamate---which is included in virtually all fast food and other types of food like canned soup, (which also has an excess of sodium chloride--salt).
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member


    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.


    This is complete nonsense. Studies show no difference between the various methods of losing weight in terms of health or efficacy. Nothing wrong with low carb if that is your preference but don't spout BS. Or back it up, but if people like James Krieger, Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald and our own Steve Troutman haven't found any credible studies that prove this, I doubt you will.

    For one, there's a book by medical researcher, Richard Johnson, M.D. called, The Fat Switch. In it, he describes some of the biochemistry of obesity---and the results of his research. it is fascinating reading. You should try it.

    That is not a peer reviewd study from a credible source. I gave you sources that are all some of the most credible and respected in the area of nutrition and fitness. They all come to the same conclusion. Low carb can be useful for some and I am not against it. However, it is not a universal solution and there is no proven advantage in terms of efficacy or health. Plain and simple. Expand your horizons and open your mind.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member


    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.


    This is complete nonsense. Studies show no difference between the various methods of losing weight in terms of health or efficacy. Nothing wrong with low carb if that is your preference but don't spout BS. Or back it up, but if people like James Krieger, Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald and our own Steve Troutman haven't found any credible studies that prove this, I doubt you will.

    For one, there's a book by medical researcher, Richard Johnson, M.D. called, The Fat Switch. In it, he describes some of the biochemistry of obesity---and the results of his research. it is fascinating reading. You should try it.

    That is not a peer reviewd study from a credible source. I gave you sources that are all some of the most credible and respected in the area of nutrition and fitness. They all come to the same conclusion. Low carb can be useful for some and I am not against it. However, it is not a universal solution and there is no proven advantage in terms of efficacy or health. Plain and simple. Expand your horizons and open your mind.


    Peer review is not all it is cracked up to be. And just because something is not peer reviewed doesn't mean that it is crap research. I doubt that Dr. Johnson's research will ultimately be non-peer reviewed since it was done under a National Institutes of Health grant. I never said that lower-carb (ultra low carb diets are NOT a healthy way to lose weight) dieting is for everyone---but the biochemistry of obesity often responds best to lower-carb eating because of its ability to lower insulin levels. High insulin levels are very deleterious to health---in addition to leading to insulin resistance and Type II diabetes. Many obese individuals report that they have difficulty controlling their appetites on a carb-rich diet and that they have much better appetite control on a carb-restricted diet.
  • fishgutzy
    fishgutzy Posts: 2,807 Member
    Unless you are diabetic or pre-diabetic.
  • fishgutzy
    fishgutzy Posts: 2,807 Member
    [/quote]


    Peer review is not all it is cracked up to be. And just because something is not peer reviewed doesn't mean that it is crap research. I doubt that Dr. Johnson's research will ultimately be non-peer reviewed since it was done under a National Institutes of Health grant. I never said that lower-carb (ultra low carb diets are NOT a healthy way to lose weight) dieting is for everyone---but the biochemistry of obesity often responds best to lower-carb eating because of its ability to lower insulin levels. High insulin levels are very deleterious to health---in addition to leading to insulin resistance and Type II diabetes. Many obese individuals report that they have difficulty controlling their appetites on a carb-rich diet and that they have much better appetite control on a carb-restricted diet.
    [/quote]

    Low carb approach is a couple centuries and the success of it is well documented. This issue comes from government funding of "research" that only support predetermined outcomes. The government prefers a one-size-fits-all answer for everything.
    There is not single answer to what works.
    I have experimented with my own carb intake lately and even whole grain carbs trigger cravings. But cheese and nuts never do.
    A newly formed nutrition science group has been formed to use honest scientific method to evaluate nutrition approaches.
    http://nusi.org/
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member


    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.


    This is complete nonsense. Studies show no difference between the various methods of losing weight in terms of health or efficacy. Nothing wrong with low carb if that is your preference but don't spout BS. Or back it up, but if people like James Krieger, Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald and our own Steve Troutman haven't found any credible studies that prove this, I doubt you will.

    For one, there's a book by medical researcher, Richard Johnson, M.D. called, The Fat Switch. In it, he describes some of the biochemistry of obesity---and the results of his research. it is fascinating reading. You should try it.

    That is not a peer reviewd study from a credible source. I gave you sources that are all some of the most credible and respected in the area of nutrition and fitness. They all come to the same conclusion. Low carb can be useful for some and I am not against it. However, it is not a universal solution and there is no proven advantage in terms of efficacy or health. Plain and simple. Expand your horizons and open your mind.


    Peer review is not all it is cracked up to be.

    Says who? Sorry, but I'm calling BS on that. Not that all peer reviewed studies are perfect but they are heads and shoulders above "Dr. SoandSo says. If Dr. Johnson couldn't get funding, what does that tell you? So again, post credible data that backs up your statements or simply identify them as you opinion and nothing more.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member


    Peer review is not all it is cracked up to be. And just because something is not peer reviewed doesn't mean that it is crap research. I doubt that Dr. Johnson's research will ultimately be non-peer reviewed since it was done under a National Institutes of Health grant. I never said that lower-carb (ultra low carb diets are NOT a healthy way to lose weight) dieting is for everyone---but the biochemistry of obesity often responds best to lower-carb eating because of its ability to lower insulin levels. High insulin levels are very deleterious to health---in addition to leading to insulin resistance and Type II diabetes. Many obese individuals report that they have difficulty controlling their appetites on a carb-rich diet and that they have much better appetite control on a carb-restricted diet.
    [/quote]


    Low carb approach is a couple centuries and the success of it is well documented. This issue comes from government funding of "research" that only support predetermined outcomes. The government prefers a one-size-fits-all answer for everything.
    There is not single answer to what works.
    I have experimented with my own carb intake lately and even whole grain carbs trigger cravings. But cheese and nuts never do.
    A newly formed nutrition science group has been formed to use honest scientific method to evaluate nutrition approaches.
    http://nusi.org/
    [/quote]

    Would that be the group started by Gary Taubes the jounalist?? lol Surely you jest?? And are we now into conspiracy theories?? Wait let me put on my tin foil hat!! This in where you low carb extemist lose most people. If low carb works for you, great. it has it's benefits. It has it's limitations. It is not the great new religion. It is just a tool. Effective for some. Not for others.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    Unless you are diabetic or pre-diabetic.

    That is true that "good" carbs are right and proper and a great source of nutrients. But they need to be restricted if one is diabetic or pre-diabetic. My brother and my mother have Type II diabetes. I had gestational diabetes with my pregnancies. Both of those facts (plus my high blood sugar/high insulin levels) make me a prime candidate for diabetes. It would be insane for me to load up on carbohydrates. Most obese people have aberrant carbohydrate metabolism---particularly obese women.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member


    It doesn't matter what you believe. The research has been around for a number of years and it is being added to all of the time. Carbohydrate restriction is the healthiest way to reduce body fat. There are people who cannot lose body fat on what would be a starvation diet for some folk---their bodies will actually cannibalize their muscles rather than burn fat on a carbohydrate-rich diet. The only thing that works for those individuals is carbohydrate restriction. It is simply not true that calories alone are the key.


    This is complete nonsense. Studies show no difference between the various methods of losing weight in terms of health or efficacy. Nothing wrong with low carb if that is your preference but don't spout BS. Or back it up, but if people like James Krieger, Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald and our own Steve Troutman haven't found any credible studies that prove this, I doubt you will.

    For one, there's a book by medical researcher, Richard Johnson, M.D. called, The Fat Switch. In it, he describes some of the biochemistry of obesity---and the results of his research. it is fascinating reading. You should try it.

    That is not a peer reviewd study from a credible source. I gave you sources that are all some of the most credible and respected in the area of nutrition and fitness. They all come to the same conclusion. Low carb can be useful for some and I am not against it. However, it is not a universal solution and there is no proven advantage in terms of efficacy or health. Plain and simple. Expand your horizons and open your mind.


    Peer review is not all it is cracked up to be.

    Says who? Sorry, but I'm calling BS on that. Not that all peer reviewed studies are perfect but they are heads and shoulders above "Dr. SoandSo says. If Dr. Johnson couldn't get funding, what does that tell you? So again, post credible data that backs up your statements or simply identify them as you opinion and nothing more.

    Who said that Dr. Johnson couldn't get funding? He is a respected scientist who is the head of the renal division at the University of Colorado. He is currently studying the role of fructose in the epidemic of kidney failure among field workers in warm climates.
  • Bobbie_89
    Bobbie_89 Posts: 146
    I've been on my actual journey since May and I hardly watched my carb intake. I believe it was about a month ago my mom told me about this show she watched (Fat Head) and she said its all about watching carbs and sugar. Well, I thought I would give it a shot (even though I was losing weight without watching my carbs) and I just felt more hungier. I kept upping my carbs (started out at 115) by at least 10 every week. I threw that out the window, I'm happy with my carbs and if I still lose the weight and inches I'm fine with it. Every once in awhile I'll eat my sweets like crazy.