Milk...?
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The ethics of drinking the milk of another species has nothing to do with what the OP asked.How much should I be drinking? I am trying to cut out fats. Or should I not be drinking it? Thanks.
To the OP -
1. DO NOT CUT OUT FATS! Fat does not make you fat. Your body needs fat to store energy, absorb vitamins, protect organs and produce hormones. And fat is essential to keep our skin, hair and nails looking good.
That is not a license to eat a cheeseburger everyday. Eat fats in avocados, nuts, olive oil and, yes, dairy.
What your body doesn't need is empty calories - junk food. Cut that instead. Or at least cut down.
2. MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING ENOUGH CALCIUM. It might not seem important when you're young, but a deficiency will set you up for osteoporosis later in life. You don't want to be bent double when you're 55. So if you're drinking less milk, make sure you get that calcium elsewhere. (I take a calcium and magnesium supplement, but it's always best to try to get it from your food first.)
3. LOOK AT YOUR MACROS. My fat allowance is set to 44g (and I go over every single day!) What is yours? How much of your fat intake comes from milk? Where is the rest coming from? Are you measuring saturated fats and transfats? (Definitely cut those transfats!)
Good luck.0 -
I luv 1% milk. I go through a gallon a week all by myself, lol.0
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The whole "you should see the conditions cows live in!" statement has always confused me.
I am from IOWA. Cows everywhere! xD
I have seen many farms (small and large), and I have yet to see any cows just covered in *kitten*. Most conditions I have seen around here are not nearly as bad as many act like. And yes I have been to a large slaughter house before too, once again not as bad as people make it out to be.0 -
The ethics of drinking the milk of another species has nothing to do with what the OP asked.How much should I be drinking? I am trying to cut out fats. Or should I not be drinking it? Thanks.
To the OP -
1. DO NOT CUT OUT FATS! Fat does not make you fat. Your body needs fat to store energy, absorb vitamins, protect organs and produce hormones. And fat is essential to keep our skin, hair and nails looking good.
That is not a license to eat a cheeseburger everyday. Eat fats in avocados, nuts, olive oil and, yes, dairy.
What your body doesn't need is empty calories - junk food. Cut that instead. Or at least cut down.
2. MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING ENOUGH CALCIUM. It might not seem important when you're young, but a deficiency will set you up for osteoporosis later in life. You don't want to be bent double when you're 55. So if you're drinking less milk, make sure you get that calcium elsewhere. (I take a calcium and magnesium supplement, but it's always best to try to get it from your food first.)
3. LOOK AT YOUR MACROS. My fat allowance is set to 44g (and I go over every single day!) What is yours? How much of your fat intake comes from milk? Where is the rest coming from? Are you measuring saturated fats and transfats? (Definitely cut those transfats!)
Good luck.
And this is a good post for the OP!
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I'm going to jump a step and just eat the bugs for protein after sex.Using the argument "animals don't do it, so neither should we," is simply a bad argument. Just as saying if an animal (wild or domesticated, I don't see how it differs) does it, that makes it natural and good, and therefore humans should do it, too.
Or wait, maybe it is a good idea. Black widow spiders have notably long legs, with no cellulite, so obviously they are doing something I'd like to emulate. Sexual cannibalism may be just the ticket...
I think praying mantis do this as well. Seems to be a trend there.
On a side note both of those guys are neat. I tried to poke a similar breed and held the other. Frig some spiders are smarter then I thought? If I moved it followed my head. I could move my hands and it would follow my head like it was watching my eyes...Then it raised it's legs in a Ima kick your *kitten* with my envious skinny legs motion.0 -
The whole "you should see the conditions cows live in!" statement has always confused me.
I am from IOWA. Cows everywhere! xD
I have seen many farms (small and large), and I have yet to see any cows just covered in *kitten*. Most conditions I have seen around here are not nearly as bad as many act like. And yes I have been to a large slaughter house before too, once again not as bad as people make it out to be.
Lol. I grew up with mountain sides of cows as far as you could see. They had hundreds of acres to roam. My friends that I went to high school with woke up before the sun to milk cows and use it at home, no pasterization, just straight from the cow.0 -
The whole "you should see the conditions cows live in!" statement has always confused me.
I am from IOWA. Cows everywhere! xD
I have seen many farms (small and large), and I have yet to see any cows just covered in *kitten*. Most conditions I have seen around here are not nearly as bad as many act like. And yes I have been to a large slaughter house before too, once again not as bad as people make it out to be.
Lol. I grew up with mountain sides of cows as far as you could see. They had hundreds of acres to roam. My friends that I went to high school with woke up before the sun to milk cows and use it at home, no pasterization, just straight from the cow.
I still can't do that without it being pasteurized first ( just in case since I'm paranoid xD)
That's how the cows are here! When ever I drive from university to my hometown its all just cows roaming around.
We have quite a few campus cows too. I get to pet them
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cold milk and a PBAJ man it's the best0
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I'm going to jump a step and just eat the bugs for protein after sex.Using the argument "animals don't do it, so neither should we," is simply a bad argument. Just as saying if an animal (wild or domesticated, I don't see how it differs) does it, that makes it natural and good, and therefore humans should do it, too.
Or wait, maybe it is a good idea. Black widow spiders have notably long legs, with no cellulite, so obviously they are doing something I'd like to emulate. Sexual cannibalism may be just the ticket...
I think praying mantis do this as well. Seems to be a trend there.
On a side note both of those guys are neat. I tried to poke a similar breed and held the other. Frig some spiders are smarter then I thought? If I moved it followed my head. I could move my hands and it would follow my head like it was watching my eyes...Then it raised it's legs in a Ima kick your *kitten* with my envious skinny legs motion.
Lol. I actually made a post earlier about how to log protein from a bug. I got 100g of bug equals 63g of protein. Just in case.0 -
cold milk and a PBAJ man it's the best
Hands down.0 -
The whole "you should see the conditions cows live in!" statement has always confused me.
I am from IOWA. Cows everywhere! xD
I have seen many farms (small and large), and I have yet to see any cows just covered in *kitten*. Most conditions I have seen around here are not nearly as bad as many act like. And yes I have been to a large slaughter house before too, once again not as bad as people make it out to be.
Lol. I grew up with mountain sides of cows as far as you could see. They had hundreds of acres to roam. My friends that I went to high school with woke up before the sun to milk cows and use it at home, no pasterization, just straight from the cow.
I still can't do that without it being pasteurized first ( just in case since I'm paranoid xD)
That's how the cows are here! When ever I drive from university to my hometown its all just cows roaming around.
We have quite a few campus cows too. I get to pet them
When we drove the back roads at night, sometimes the cows would get out and they'd be trotting down the street like they were heading to town for some ... Milk.0 -
At one point, I was drinking over half a gallon of whole milk a day to get my calories in. No wonder I'm in such bad shape now ;-)0
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I use powdered 2% for cooking and drink whole, usually with chai which doesn't help things. I keep within my goals though, so eh.
I may try almond milk if the price isn't too much higher, I've never noticed it or even knew about it till now. I basically just don't like drinking 1-2%, I just can't help but think of it as milk with water in it. That's what it tastes like.0 -
People who are lactose intolerant are actually normal....
I have found that Soymilk works just fine for me, while my son prefers almond milk. I'm so pleased that these alternatives are available now. I use it to cook with and for the occasions that I want cereal and milk. People need to find what works for them, and that is not always easy.0 -
Cow's milk isn't as healthy as everyone makes it out to be!
As long as you're getting enough calcium/protein/vitamins you don't have to drink milk at all. A lot of people are allergic to dairy these days. Dairy, especially milk really bothers my stomach so I never drink it.
But I DO love almond milk! And it has more calcium, less protein but you can get that from other sources. If you like milk then by all means drink it but I think it tastes disgusting and is a waste of calorie for me cos I hate it so much and it makes me feel physically ill. I don't even put milk or cream in my coffee cos even that small amount grosses me out/bother my stomach.
I have to laugh, because I used to tell people milk is made to take a 200lb calve to 2 tons in two years. lol I now drink 2%, but when I cook, I use non fat coffee creamer. I was drinking skim, my youngest saved me. lol havea good one.0 -
People who are lactose intolerant are actually normal....
So IMO no milk or dairy for me.
So what you're saying is, that if they weren't normal.. You'd force it down?
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Okay here is my theory. Milk.
Look at nature (concerning herbivores). The young is born and they get their main source of fats and nutrients from theirs mothers milk for them to grow at an alarming rate. Once the young is of age to eat solids, the youngling is weened from its mother's milk, then it consumes its nutrients elsewhere with a low fat intake.
Now look at human beings. When we are born we consume our mother's milk to get the gains that we need in mass and nutrition. Then we are weened from our mother's milk and then.....WE ARE TO DRINK ANOTHER SPECIES MILK!!!
Now tell me, do you find that to be an odd concept? Where in all of nature is a young weened from one source of milk and put onto another? As far as I know, the animals that were weened now drink water for their need of fluids. I personally believe that we as human beings do not need milk once we reach a certain physical maturity. We can get all those nutrients that we need from plant based foods and the kicker is that most of those foods are low in fat or have no fat at all! Try alternatives to animal milk: rice, soy, almond milks. They are high in nutrients and doesn't give you lactose problems as far as I know. I have not drank animal's milk regularly in a long time. However, I do eat animal products such as cheese, yogurt, or stuff that contains milk. I try my best to not make it into a habit, but you know while growing up I have had it beaten into my head that "Milk, it does a body good" which is true to a certain point. I will not make lame excuses as to why I continue to eat stuff that contains milk other than it's hard for old habits to die.
My suggestion, take this into consideration, think about it for a while, and try alternatives to animals milk. It will do your body good. 0 -
Okay here is my theory. Milk.
Look at nature (concerning herbivores). The young is born and they get their main source of fats and nutrients from theirs mothers milk for them to grow at an alarming rate. Once the young is of age to eat solids, the youngling is weened for its mother's milk, then it consumes its nutrients elsewhere with a low fat intake.
Now look at human beings. When we are born we consume our mother's milk to get the gains that we need in mass and nutrition. Then we are weened from our mother's milk and then.....WE ARE TO DRINK ANOTHER SPECIES MILK!!!
Now tell me, do you find that to be an odd concept? Where in all of nature is a young weened from one source of milk and put onto another? As far as I know, the animals that were weened now drink water for their need of fluids. I personally believe that we as human beings do not need milk once we reach a certain physical maturity. We can get all those nutrients that we need from plant based foods and the kicker is that most of those foods are low in fat or have no fat at all! Try alternatives to animal milk: rice, soy, almond milks. They are high in nutrients and doesn't give you lactose problems as far as I know. I have not drank animal's milk regularly in a long time. However, I do eat animal products such as cheese, yogurt, or stuff that contains milk. I try my best to not make it into a habit, but you know while growing up I have had it beaten into my head that "Milk, it does a body good" which is true to a certain point. I will not make lame excuses as to why I continue to eat stuff that contains milk other than it's hard for old habits to die.
My suggestion, take this into consideration, think about it for a while, and try alternatives to animals milk. It will do your body good.
Cows milk does my body good.0 -
I like how folks say drinking milk is unnatural and yet adding spices to food is totally the way it was intended to be eaten. We eat things because they taste good and/or they're good for us (for the most part). Milk can be just fine as part of someone's diet, assuming no intolerances to it.0
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I would continue to drink human milk but it isnt nearly as convenient as cow's milk.0
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Cows milk does my body good.
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings. If someone wants to continue to consume milk, then that is okay. For me, logic says that if animals are weened from their mothers milk, then I should be as well. It is so strange if we see an eight year old still breast feeding from their mother or even drinking their mother's breast milk; yet, we don't find it odd for that eight year old to drink another mother's milk of a different species. Still, we would find it VERY strange if that child drank breast milk from another human mother even if it was bottled.
Do you see my reason?
So why don't we continue to drink it from our mothers since it is made specifically for us? Why aren't the store shelves filled up with human breast milk? It might be easier on our system. Know this, I am not advocating adult consuming breast milk.0 -
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings. If someone wants to continue to consume milk, then that is okay. For me, logic says that if animals are weened from their mothers milk, then I should be as well. It is so strange if we see an eight year old still breast feeding from their mother or even drinking their mother's breast milk; yet, we don't find it odd for that eight year old to drink another mother's milk of a different species. Still, we would find it VERY strange if that child drank breast milk from another human mother even if it was bottled.
Do you see my reason?
So why don't we continue to drink it from our mothers since it is made specifically for us? Why aren't the store shelves filled up with human breast milk? It might be easier on our system. Know this, I am not advocating adult consuming breast milk.
It would also seem very strange if we saw an 8 year old eating bbq'd human flesh, but the same for steaks and chickens doesn't hold quite the same shock value. That difference is where your argument breaks down.0 -
Cows milk does my body good.
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings.
So, aside from human breast milk, what foods are intended specifically for humans? Is there some master list?0 -
Cows milk does my body good.
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings. If someone wants to continue to consume milk, then that is okay. For me, logic says that if animals are weened from their mothers milk, then I should be as well. It is so strange if we see an eight year old still breast feeding from their mother or even drinking their mother's breast milk; yet, we don't find it odd for that eight year old to drink another mother's milk of a different species. Still, we would find it VERY strange if that child drank breast milk from another human mother even if it was bottled.
Do you see my reason?
So why don't we continue to drink it from our mothers since it is made specifically for us? Why aren't the store shelves filled up with human breast milk? It might be easier on our system. Know this, I am not advocating adult consuming breast milk.
I do not get the 'what it was intended for' argument at all. If it is good for your body, why not drink it? So, I do not see your reasoning.
You eat eggs (yes, I diary creeped as I wondered whether you were a vegan) - I could argue that they are not 'intended to be eaten' - they are 'intended' to be hatched. So, the logic fails with me again.
ETA: I just realized that it reads snarky - not intended to btw.0 -
Cows milk does my body good.
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings.
So, aside from human breast milk, what foods are intended specifically for humans? Is there some master list?
Duh, Shakeology0 -
Cows milk does my body good.
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings. If someone wants to continue to consume milk, then that is okay. For me, logic says that if animals are weened from their mothers milk, then I should be as well. It is so strange if we see an eight year old still breast feeding from their mother or even drinking their mother's breast milk; yet, we don't find it odd for that eight year old to drink another mother's milk of a different species. Still, we would find it VERY strange if that child drank breast milk from another human mother even if it was bottled.
Do you see my reason?
So why don't we continue to drink it from our mothers since it is made specifically for us? Why aren't the store shelves filled up with human breast milk? It might be easier on our system. Know this, I am not advocating adult consuming breast milk.
Do you have any idea how long an 8 year old would need to nurse? It would take up all the mother's time awake to nurse or pump enough milk to feed an 8 year old. Your argument is ridiculous. And no it's not strange for a child to drink breast milk from another mother's breast. If a mother is willing to nurse another child then that is an act of utter selflessness. Salma Hayak breast fed starving children in a third world country, do you find that strange?0 -
It would also seem very strange if we saw an 8 year old eating bbq'd human flesh, but the same for steaks and chickens doesn't hold quite the same shock value. That difference is where your argument breaks down.
In no way do I view consuming milk as cannibalism as to an eight year old eating the flesh of another human being. A calf for instance, consumes its mother's milk; not the mother.0 -
I do not get the 'what it was intended for' argument at all. If it is good for your body, why not drink it? So, I do not see your reasoning.
You eat eggs (yes, I diary creeped as I wondered whether you were a vegan) - I could argue that they are not 'intended to be eaten' - they are 'intended' to be hatched. So, the logic fails with me again.
ETA: I just realized that it reads snarky - not intended to btw.
I do not advocate that consuming animals milk is bad. I just find it odd that that we continue to consume milk and milk of another species when the rest of the animal kingdom truly is weened and they do well. I am not vegan though I would like to be, but I don't see that in the near future.0 -
So, aside from human breast milk, what foods are intended specifically for humans? Is there some master list?
You can never go wrong with a plant-based diet. Deer, cows, turkeys, etc., they seem to do pretty well.0 -
Cows milk does my body good.
And that's okay if it does your body good; however, I'm looking at the purpose of what milk is intended for: younglings.
So, aside from human breast milk, what foods are intended specifically for humans? Is there some master list?
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