GMO Food Products

BogQueen1

I think that we are being done a great dis-service by companies like Monsanto and the other big seed producers. They are doing research that has interesting implications for farmers, but I think potentially devastating consequences long term for the environment and our health.

The latest I read today: Monsanto has developed a new corn that naturally produces a toxin that causes the stomach's of the insects that eat it to explode. This is supposed to break down by the time it is processed for human consumption but early research on rats has not born out this conclusion.

Um. Ok. You just made corn into poison. How is this beneficial? What happens when you GMO corn starts pollinating corn that doesn't have this modification? I mean potentially, uncontrolled, this could a.) destroy corn products as you could never be assured that the corn you were getting wasn't potentially contaminated with now naturally produced toxins, and b.) wreak complete HAVOC with the ecosystem. What if birds eat the dead poisoned bugs? Will their stomachs explode? What about the scavengers that eat those dead birds? Are we going to see mass die offs?

I know this isn't stricly fitness related, but I do think that our food sourcing is an important part of any discussion regarding health and well being. I worry about seed companies playing God (or rushing evolution by a few hundred thousand years, depending on how you see life) and increasing production levels of food stuffs at the potential expense of human and ecological safety. When is enough going to be enough?

Cliffslosinit

Cool story BRO!

rml_16

Your "new information" is about something that's been going on for years.

But great job uncovering it!

FredDoyle

Yep. Also bad: medical advances, dentistry, technology, public hygiene.

Mokey41

Quit eating corn, we won't notice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_maize

Pixi_Rex

Whats different than those bugs eating the chemicals we spray on the fields to keep bugs from destroying the crops?

Those bugs may eat the sprayed crop and will be poisoned and will probably die from that poison before they are eaten... and I know most birds like their bugs alive so if they do eat a bug that is living they will probably process it just the same as they always have.

emtjmac

Eat organic and non-gmo as much as possible. Abandoning thread now, good luck.

BogQueen1

Hah. People are so hostile here!

I am aware that GMO has been going on for a long time. From what I understood this is a new 'strain'. And yes I do try and avoid corn as much as possible thanks. Unfortunately they sneak it into damn near everything anymore.

If you think there's no problems with it then why do you think that? Why do you dismiss it so easily as something that doesn't affect you in the slightest?

katy84o

Eat organic and non-gmo as much as possible. Abandoning thread now, good luck.

Totally! I completely agree with the OP, I really try to buy and eat mostly organic and/or non gmo from local farmers. But simply writing about it in this forum, there is going to be a **** storm of hate towards you. Sorry, but that's how these forums go, if someone doesn't agree, they certainly let you know about it in a big way.

And to one thing in your post, OP, about the cross pollination of the gmo corn with non-gmo corn. Supposedly because some of these companies have their seeds trademarked, if any of their strain of corn pops up in a field down the road, the big seed company can sue the smaller farmer because that strain belongs to them. I know that may sound confusing, I read it a long time ago. You should watch King Corn and Botany of Desire, both were on netflix for a while.

rml_16

Hah. People are so hostile here!

I am aware that GMO has been going on for a long time. From what I understood this is a new 'strain'. And yes I do try and avoid corn as much as possible thanks. Unfortunately they sneak it into damn near everything anymore.

If you think there's no problems with it then why do you think that? Why do you dismiss it so easily as something that doesn't affect you in the slightest?

Define "new," because I have been hearing about this exact thing for a very long time.

sunsnstatheart

Oh. My. God! I'm off to the health food store in my Prius (I painted mine green so people REALLY know how green I am) to pay 3 times as much for fruit and vegetables that are bruised and insect infested so this GMO stuff doesn't make my stomach explode! I'm then dropping my wife off for her $300 seaweed scrub to remove all that pesky cellulite. Then I will quickly come home, throw out my "death box" to avoid that new fangled radiation stuff from turning the whole family into a mini-army of zombies and sit on my squatty potty so I don't get giant, fanged hemorrhoids tomorrow. Whew! Thank you so much!!!!! Crisis averted.

Mokey41

You all realize that BT Corn has been around for over 10 years and the majority of farmers grow it? Also that most of the processed food you eat has some form of corn product in it? If you haven't exploded yet you probably aren't going to and the BT gene doesn't cause insects stomachs to blow up to start with.

Don't care what anyone's feelings are on GMO but at least get the facts straight before you go off on a scare rant.

Shock_Wave

stomach's of the insects that eat it to explode

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Your "new information" is about something that's been going on for years.

But great job uncovering it!

You mean several decades....I mean several...

hsidky

Let's not get into this game of making outlandish claims and use apocalyptic imagery to scare people. Resident Evil is a movie, not real life. If you do not understand the science behind GMO products, that's okay. But what's not right is to spread misinformation just because you fear the unknown. Each product by Monsanto and alike, is developed as a result of years, sometimes decades, of research. As many as hundreds of people and dozens of PhD's who specialize in that field can be involved. After they have a potential product, it still has to go through endless regulatory testing to ensure safety.

The way I see it, they are doing the world a service. Just because you have three grocery stores with thousands of different products on shelves so conveniently packaged for you to buy all within walking distance, doesn't mean everyone else does, nor that you will continue to have that luxury. Planet Earth is experiencing a population explosion. There simply is not enough land and resources to feed everyone - not so far into the future.

The best way to guarantee mankind a future without famine is to work diligently to make agriculture more productive. Better harvest, higher crop turnover, etc... Go do some real research and find out how much improvement people in less fortunate geographies have benefited from the fruits of GMO development. Think about this the next time you put an apple down at the grocery store because it's not pretty enough.

P.S. "you" in this article refers to the generic you. Not the author of this thread specifically. Many people are guilty of spreading this propaganda, often out of ignorance but sometimes out of malice.

BrianSharpe

Before running around telling us the sky is falling try doing a little research. BT (Bacillus thuringiensis) is naturally occurring, in fact if you were like most children and ate dirt when you were little you've probably already been exposed to it.

http://www.bt.ucsd.edu/overview.html

rml_16

Your "new information" is about something that's been going on for years.

But great job uncovering it!

You mean several decades....I mean several...

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I beleieve that! I don't know the specifics, but I knew it had been around a LONG time.

HaleyxErin

GMO crap is bad that is all there is to it

HaleyxErin

I'm really not sure why everyone is getting so hostile about people not wanting to have scorpion DNA in there tomatos

Shock_Wave

I'm really not sure why everyone is getting so hostile about people not wanting to have scorpion DNA in there tomatos

....just sayn

I once saw a guy that ate scorpion dna tomatos and he turned into this guy..
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BogQueen1

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn. Then I could sue Monsanto and be a millionaire and never have to work again. I'm sure they could put me back together, modern medicine can do just about anything these days. Including make a million little pills to interfere in processes they don't understand!

On a slightly more serious note. I think the claim that this has been around for 'decades' is a little... just a little over exaggerated. We didn't have GMO corn back in the 50's... or the 60's... or the 70's.... and probably not even the 80's. The technology just didn't exist to insert completely random genes into various plants and other organisms. I apologize if you disbelieve this, but it's pretty much a fact. We didn't get into true genetic engineering of our foodstuffs until the mid 90's. Soooo.... yeah maybe a decade and some change. But don't go on about decades like we've been eating this for 50 or 60 years. Because we haven't.

And the question isn't that the people who are doing this haven't done the research to make this happen, or that they aren't well educated, but that they are changing things that may have more far reaching impacts then what they are considering, in their excitement about 'yay we made something that could theortically increase crop yields by x percent'.

I would present also the counter arguement that the world CAN produce enough food to feed it's current population, and probably a much larger population, especially if global warming continues and those pesky icecaps melt, which will open up new tracts of arable land (if your sarcasm detector fails on that, then I can't help you). Unfortunately until you eliminate those nasty things like politics and poverty, scarcity of food for certain classes of people will always exist. Possibly a sensitive topic, but when you consider morbidly obese people, mass over consumers, and the amount of food waste-age that goes on in the United States alone, I think that you can see that the arguement that we can't feed all the people on the planet is just SLIGHTLY ridiculous.

Shock_Wave

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn. Then I could sue Monsanto and be a millionaire and never have to work again. I'm sure they could put me back together, modern medicine can do just about anything these days. Including make a million little pills to interfere in processes they don't understand!

On a slightly more serious note. I think the claim that this has been around for 'decades' is a little... just a little over exaggerated. We didn't have GMO corn back in the 50's... or the 60's... or the 70's.... and probably not even the 80's. The technology just didn't exist to insert completely random genes into various plants and other organisms. I apologize if you disbelieve this, but it's pretty much a fact. We didn't get into true genetic engineering of our foodstuffs until the mid 90's. Soooo.... yeah maybe a decade and some change. But don't go on about decades like we've been eating this for 50 or 60 years. Because we haven't.

We have been playing with genes for several decades. "The scientific study of genes began in the 1860s when Austrian monk Gregor Mendel systematically crossed varieties of garden peas. He introduced the concept of a "gene" as a unit of heredity. In 1868, German chemist Friedrich Meischer discovered the substance we now call DNA"
"In 1976, agricultural researchers at the University of Washington discovered that a small, circular DNA molecule called a plasmid could insert itself into the nucleus of a plant cell and cause tumors. They had discovered what amounted to a natural form of gene splicing."

BogQueen1

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn. Then I could sue Monsanto and be a millionaire and never have to work again. I'm sure they could put me back together, modern medicine can do just about anything these days. Including make a million little pills to interfere in processes they don't understand!

On a slightly more serious note. I think the claim that this has been around for 'decades' is a little... just a little over exaggerated. We didn't have GMO corn back in the 50's... or the 60's... or the 70's.... and probably not even the 80's. The technology just didn't exist to insert completely random genes into various plants and other organisms. I apologize if you disbelieve this, but it's pretty much a fact. We didn't get into true genetic engineering of our foodstuffs until the mid 90's. Soooo.... yeah maybe a decade and some change. But don't go on about decades like we've been eating this for 50 or 60 years. Because we haven't.

We have been playing with genes for several decades. "The scientific study of genes began in the 1860s when Austrian monk Gregor Mendel systematically crossed varieties of garden peas. He introduced the concept of a "gene" as a unit of heredity. In 1868, German chemist Friedrich Meischer discovered the substance we now call DNA"

Hybridization is just SLIGHTLY different then sticking bacteria genes into corn. Pea DNA is still Pea DNA, and not from some completely different organism.. Hybrid vigor is a legitimate concept as well, the idea tha outcrossing different strains of plants produces plants that do have the beneficial traits of both parents. This is not what I'm referring to in the slightest.

sunsnstatheart

but when you consider morbidly obese people, mass over consumers, and the amount of food waste-age that goes on in the United States alone, I think that you can see that the arguement that we can't feed all the people on the planet is just SLIGHTLY ridiculous.

I know, right? That whole international logistics thing is just a load of crap.

Shock_Wave

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn. Then I could sue Monsanto and be a millionaire and never have to work again. I'm sure they could put me back together, modern medicine can do just about anything these days. Including make a million little pills to interfere in processes they don't understand!

On a slightly more serious note. I think the claim that this has been around for 'decades' is a little... just a little over exaggerated. We didn't have GMO corn back in the 50's... or the 60's... or the 70's.... and probably not even the 80's. The technology just didn't exist to insert completely random genes into various plants and other organisms. I apologize if you disbelieve this, but it's pretty much a fact. We didn't get into true genetic engineering of our foodstuffs until the mid 90's. Soooo.... yeah maybe a decade and some change. But don't go on about decades like we've been eating this for 50 or 60 years. Because we haven't.

We have been playing with genes for several decades. "The scientific study of genes began in the 1860s when Austrian monk Gregor Mendel systematically crossed varieties of garden peas. He introduced the concept of a "gene" as a unit of heredity. In 1868, German chemist Friedrich Meischer discovered the substance we now call DNA"

Hybridization is just SLIGHTLY different then sticking bacteria genes into corn. Pea DNA is still Pea DNA, and not from some completely different organism.. Hybrid vigor is a legitimate concept as well, the idea tha outcrossing different strains of plants produces plants that do have the beneficial traits of both parents. This is not what I'm referring to in the slightest.

Hey I had an edit in there you missed

Either way genetically modified corn was planted in 80 percent of the fields in the U.S. by 2008. I eat it all the time but I consider my self lucky that my stomach has not exploded.

hikeout470

How many of you have read "Seed of Deception"?

rml_16

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn.

It would have happened by now.

This is not new.

BogQueen1

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn. Then I could sue Monsanto and be a millionaire and never have to work again. I'm sure they could put me back together, modern medicine can do just about anything these days. Including make a million little pills to interfere in processes they don't understand!

On a slightly more serious note. I think the claim that this has been around for 'decades' is a little... just a little over exaggerated. We didn't have GMO corn back in the 50's... or the 60's... or the 70's.... and probably not even the 80's. The technology just didn't exist to insert completely random genes into various plants and other organisms. I apologize if you disbelieve this, but it's pretty much a fact. We didn't get into true genetic engineering of our foodstuffs until the mid 90's. Soooo.... yeah maybe a decade and some change. But don't go on about decades like we've been eating this for 50 or 60 years. Because we haven't.

We have been playing with genes for several decades. "The scientific study of genes began in the 1860s when Austrian monk Gregor Mendel systematically crossed varieties of garden peas. He introduced the concept of a "gene" as a unit of heredity. In 1868, German chemist Friedrich Meischer discovered the substance we now call DNA"

Hybridization is just SLIGHTLY different then sticking bacteria genes into corn. Pea DNA is still Pea DNA, and not from some completely different organism.. Hybrid vigor is a legitimate concept as well, the idea tha outcrossing different strains of plants produces plants that do have the beneficial traits of both parents. This is not what I'm referring to in the slightest.

Hey I had an edit in there you missed

Either way genetically modified corn was planted in 80 percent of the fields in the U.S. by 2008. I eat it all the time but I consider my self lucky that my stomach has not exploded.

I see your edit. I wonder too about the linkages. Corn gets genetically modified. Corn goes into everything we eat. Obesity rates skyrocket. Not saying the first and last occurences are linked, but overlaying those things on timelines can produce some pretty compelling evidence. Maybe our stomach's ARE exploding... just you know... in the fat sense.

ninerbuff

There's corn in just about every American food today. If this were entirely true, then the "poisoning" should have killed off a ton of people eating it by now.
Scientifically, ALL plants will mutate (helped or not) to survive.


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hsidky

And the question isn't that the people who are doing this haven't done the research to make this happen, or that they aren't well educated, but that they are changing things that may have more far reaching impacts then what they are considering, in their excitement about 'yay we made something that could theortically increase crop yields by x percent'.

You may have missed the part where I mentioned the rigorous vetting each product must go through before hitting the market. It is true, in some cases things go unnoticed before commercialization. This is most often seen with pharmaceuticals. Luckily crop protection isn't as susceptible for reasons beyond the scope of this post. If anything "slips by" regulators, it's likely to be more to the tune of a failure to perform rather than a massive outbreak of spontaneous intestinal explosions. You are most certainly questioning the capacity of the people performing the research to deliver a competent, safe product. You are suggesting they, and anyone who will ever touch the product before it hits the market, are too short-sighted to see what to you is blatantly obvious. You are insulting their intelligence.

I would present also the counter arguement that the world CAN produce enough food to feed it's current population, and probably a much larger population, especially if global warming continues and those pesky icecaps melt, which will open up new tracts of arable land (if your sarcasm detector fails on that, then I can't help you). Unfortunately until you eliminate those nasty things like politics and poverty, scarcity of food for certain classes of people will always exist. Possibly a sensitive topic, but when you consider morbidly obese people, mass over consumers, and the amount of food waste-age that goes on in the United States alone, I think that you can see that the arguement that we can't feed all the people on the planet is just SLIGHTLY ridiculous.

With all due respect, this is simply wrong. I am not saying that we will cure world hunger through GMO corn. That would be silly. I am saying that there are not enough resources to produce enough food for the nearly 10 billion people who will roam this earth in a few short decades. That is fact. This includes more effective utilization of food in first-world countries such as the United States. It is not ridiculous at all, it is reality. Which is why these companies are pouring billions of dollars, and thousands of man hours into this problem. Who's judgement do I trust more? Several multi-billion dollar corporate projections? or someone who thinks their stomach is going to explode if they eat treated corn... and before anyone goes there, making a profit and helping the planet are not mutually exclusive.

auroranflash

The latest I read today: Monsanto has developed a new corn that naturally produces a toxin that causes the stomach's of the insects that eat it to explode. This is supposed to break down by the time it is processed for human consumption but early research on rats has not born out this conclusion.

Brings a new meaning to "POP"corn.

rml_16

Idk, maybe it would be good if my stomach exploded from GMO corn. Then I could sue Monsanto and be a millionaire and never have to work again. I'm sure they could put me back together, modern medicine can do just about anything these days. Including make a million little pills to interfere in processes they don't understand!

On a slightly more serious note. I think the claim that this has been around for 'decades' is a little... just a little over exaggerated. We didn't have GMO corn back in the 50's... or the 60's... or the 70's.... and probably not even the 80's. The technology just didn't exist to insert completely random genes into various plants and other organisms. I apologize if you disbelieve this, but it's pretty much a fact. We didn't get into true genetic engineering of our foodstuffs until the mid 90's. Soooo.... yeah maybe a decade and some change. But don't go on about decades like we've been eating this for 50 or 60 years. Because we haven't.

We have been playing with genes for several decades. "The scientific study of genes began in the 1860s when Austrian monk Gregor Mendel systematically crossed varieties of garden peas. He introduced the concept of a "gene" as a unit of heredity. In 1868, German chemist Friedrich Meischer discovered the substance we now call DNA"

Hybridization is just SLIGHTLY different then sticking bacteria genes into corn. Pea DNA is still Pea DNA, and not from some completely different organism.. Hybrid vigor is a legitimate concept as well, the idea tha outcrossing different strains of plants produces plants that do have the beneficial traits of both parents. This is not what I'm referring to in the slightest.

Hey I had an edit in there you missed

Either way genetically modified corn was planted in 80 percent of the fields in the U.S. by 2008. I eat it all the time but I consider my self lucky that my stomach has not exploded.

I see your edit. I wonder too about the linkages. Corn gets genetically modified. Corn goes into everything we eat. Obesity rates skyrocket. Not saying the first and last occurences are linked, but overlaying those things on timelines can produce some pretty compelling evidence. Maybe our stomach's ARE exploding... just you know... in the fat sense.

Or it has something to do with people sitting on their rears in front of countless cable and satellite channels, video games and computer screens instead of going out and being active. Or schools getting rid of recess and PE and parents being scared to death to let their children just go play outside without constant supervision and control of their every move.