DAIRY MAKES YOU FAT!?! OPINIONS??
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Dairy generally is high calorie - not including certain "skim" products that have been stripped/modified. By her saying not using dairy that obviously includes things like cheese, ice cream and a myriad of foods, normally processed that most consume on a daily basis.
Milk is produced by lactating cows meant to feed baby cows, not us.
There is pure accepted science that dairy is not only not that good for you, but overconsumption promotes a ton of bad things within your body. Its the inconvenient truth.
Is most dairy high calorie? Hell yes. That said I think almost anything in moderation is fine.
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Please do post studies of this "pure accepted science that dairy is not good for you and that it promotes bad things in your body".
From reputable sources of course.
I don't need to. I personally know and I'm the only person I care enough about to school. Were all adults. If seriously interested, look yourself. Its not hard to find.0 -
this. is. rubbish.
I eat yogurt, cheese, ice cream and drink ridiculous amounts of milk and I am not fat.
you are stunning :flowerforyou:0 -
Dairy generally is high calorie - not including certain "skim" products that have been stripped/modified. By her saying not using dairy that obviously includes things like cheese, ice cream and a myriad of foods, normally processed that most consume on a daily basis.
Milk is produced by lactating cows meant to feed baby cows, not us.
There is pure accepted science that dairy is not only not that good for you, but overconsumption promotes a ton of bad things within your body. Its the inconvenient truth.
Is most dairy high calorie? Hell yes. That said I think almost anything in moderation is fine.
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Please do post studies of this "pure accepted science that dairy is not good for you and that it promotes bad things in your body".
From reputable sources of course.
I don't need to. I personally know and I'm the only person I care enough about to school. Were all adults. If seriously interested, look yourself. Its not hard to find.
Well then don't come and make claims that you can't back up. That's how it works. You make the claim, you provide the evidence. I've done the research and what I found is that some have a sensitivity to lactose and many don't. If you don't, there is no need to exclude dairy, so, I don't.
You have come and made some fairly strong claims. They appear to be alarmist and not factual. That is why I requested proof from a reputable source. That's how people generally back up their claims and others reading know that they just didn't make up a bunch of stuff. You don't appear able to back up your claims so one can only come to the conclusion that they have no factual basis.0 -
Alarmism can make people orthorexic. This is a much bigger concern than dairy making someone fat, IMO.0
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We're also the only species who exercise specifically for fitness and consciously count calories to lose weight.
Also the only species who aren't designed to be overweight who get overweight!0 -
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OP, my MIL never drank milk but she is Swedish. She is BENT OVER from Osteoporosis & is hospitalized permanently.
I lived in SF for many years and there's a large Asian community. Many Asians do not drink milk/have dairy. Check out how many elderly men & women are literally bent over in any Chinatown Anywhere.
Every scientific nutrition study I've ready says to toss the supplements and get your nutritional needs met by eating the right foods.
I have another online friend (white) who said her MIL never drank milk....and she also had horrible Osteoporosis. There is no cure for it.
I drink milk and eat lots of dairy. Make a scientific decision based on sound medical advice.0 -
Okay so I have always thought that low-fat dairy products help you to lose weight and have lots of protein and vitamins, ect...
I saw the actress Megan Fox on tv (known to have an awesome body) shortly after she had a baby and she claims she got her figure back because she cuts out ALL dairy from her diet.
She also went on to say that it messes with most people's hormones and if you want to be fat, then eat dairy and if you don't want to be fat, then don't eat dairy!
Does this have any truth to it or is it total BS? I hope it's not true cause I LOVE mostly low fat cheese and greek yogart.
Maybe this is why I can't lose my lower belly baby pouch and hips? Who knows... lol
Anyone have experience with a no diary diet? Opinions?
remove dairy from your diet and replace it with lean animal protein (chicken, turkey) i recommend you will feel amazing. and your bloating will go down. I have lost 30lbs and two sizes from removing dairy and gluten! seriously, seriously, do it.
I will take your recommendation to feel amazing. I will reject the idea of removing dairy and gluten from my diet..... I mean lifestyle.0 -
Okay so I have always thought that low-fat dairy products help you to lose weight and have lots of protein and vitamins, ect...
I saw the actress Megan Fox on tv (known to have an awesome body) shortly after she had a baby and she claims she got her figure back because she cuts out ALL dairy from her diet.
She also went on to say that it messes with most people's hormones and if you want to be fat, then eat dairy and if you don't want to be fat, then don't eat dairy!
Does this have any truth to it or is it total BS? I hope it's not true cause I LOVE mostly low fat cheese and greek yogart.
Maybe this is why I can't lose my lower belly baby pouch and hips? Who knows... lol
Anyone have experience with a no diary diet? Opinions?
Dairy DOES NOT make you fat. Excess calories make you fat.0 -
Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. If you really take a few minutes to take that in, it will seem silly. When it comes to cheese there is no such thing as low fat cheese, fat free cheese. Cheese IS fat. Not to mention the whole cruelty factor behind the milk industry. Cows only give milk if they've given birth, just like us. So they're forced to STAY pregnant, and then eventually slaughtered when they're spent. I'd say dairy is the devil = /
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Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. If you really take a few minutes to take that in, it will seem silly. When it comes to cheese there is no such thing as low fat cheese, fat free cheese. Cheese IS fat. Not to mention the whole cruelty factor behind the milk industry. Cows only give milk if they've given birth, just like us. So they're forced to STAY pregnant, and then eventually slaughtered when they're spent. I'd say dairy is the devil = /
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Then I sure as HELL love the Devil b/c I eat that **** everyday! Oh and I'm 18% body fat.0 -
Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. If you really take a few minutes to take that in, it will seem silly. When it comes to cheese there is no such thing as low fat cheese, fat free cheese. Cheese IS fat. Not to mention the whole cruelty factor behind the milk industry. Cows only give milk if they've given birth, just like us. So they're forced to STAY pregnant, and then eventually slaughtered when they're spent. I'd say dairy is the devil = /
exactly. I always wondered who was the first person to look at a cow's udders and think "MMMM Im gonna get me some of that!"
and those of you citing studies showing dairy led to weight loss..who do you think PAID for those studies??? The dairy industry...
Dairy is acidic and creates an acidic environment in your body so calcium actually leaches out of your bones to counteract the acidity....so in reality you are doing more harm than good to your bones by drinking milk for the calcium. You get more calcium from dark green veggies or plant milk than cows milk...without the acidic side effects.
Thank you, I agree.
Here's a link for those who are doubtful or defensive: http://saveourbones.com/?s=the+milk+myth)
Also, if it's so great for preventing osteoporosis (as the dairy industry claims and promotes), then how come we have some of the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world? If it's so protective, why are our rates outrageously higher than other continents who consume very little dairy, or none at all?
You can get all the calcium you need from plant foods. If it weren't possible, it would be like condemning a person with a lactose intolerance to a lifetime of broken bones. Obviously that's not the case. The only reason people think we've "evolved" to consume dairy (by stating that we have the ability to digest lactose), is because we're simply not weaned from milk as infants. If anyone stops consuming dairy for any length of time, the body loses the ability to digest lactose and will becoming intolerant. It's not a disorder, it's supposed to happen after infancy. Being able to digest lactose as adults is not evolutionary magic.0 -
It may not be bad for weight loss (because I lost lots of weight back when I still consumed dairy), but it certainly isn't optimal for overall health. I feel a million times better since giving it up, and that's something that many people can agree on when they try it, whether they are on paleo diets, or plant-based diets.. or somewhere in the middle. Try different things, then do what works for you.0
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saveourbones.com sure does sound completely unbiased with their opinion of dairy taking calcium from our bones. Yup.0
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Thank you, I agree.
Here's a link for those who are doubtful or defensive: http://saveourbones.com/?s=the+milk+myth)
Also, if it's so great for preventing osteoporosis (as the dairy industry claims and promotes), then how come we have some of the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world? If it's so protective, why are our rates outrageously higher than other continents who consume very little dairy, or none at all?
You can get all the calcium you need from plant foods. If it weren't possible, it would be like condemning a person with a lactose intolerance to a lifetime of broken bones. Obviously that's not the case. The only reason people think we've "evolved" to consume dairy (by stating that we have the ability to digest lactose), is because we're simply not weaned from milk as infants. If anyone stops consuming dairy for any length of time, the body loses the ability to digest lactose and will becoming intolerant. It's not a disorder, it's supposed to happen after infancy. Being able to digest lactose as adults is not evolutionary magic.
That is not even close to being a credible link. No peer reviewed studie or data from scholarly journals. Just a website with an ax to grind. As have others, you've made a lot of claims here. Please support them with credible evidence. If you are unable to do that, then this is just your opinion which you are welcome to.0 -
Okay so I have always thought that low-fat dairy products help you to lose weight and have lots of protein and vitamins, ect...
I saw the actress Megan Fox on tv (known to have an awesome body) shortly after she had a baby and she claims she got her figure back because she cuts out ALL dairy from her diet.
She also went on to say that it messes with most people's hormones and if you want to be fat, then eat dairy and if you don't want to be fat, then don't eat dairy!
Does this have any truth to it or is it total BS? I hope it's not true cause I LOVE mostly low fat cheese and greek yogart.
Maybe this is why I can't lose my lower belly baby pouch and hips? Who knows... lol
Anyone have experience with a no diary diet? Opinions?
Ok... the question was about whether dairy makes you fat. The answer is NO!!! No food on it's own makes you fat. Eating an excessive amount of calories and not getting any exercise makes you fat!
My advice would be NOT to get nutritional advice from random "movie stars".
That is all....carry on with whole "is milk the devil" debate.0 -
I noticed that Megan Fox used to have more breakouts and i bet she originally gave it up for that reason. Dairy causes some people to break out (myself included) so I try to limit it. I would say it helped me loose weight but that was becuase i cut out cheese and bagels with cream cheese, and ice cream! I cant imagine if you ate the same amount of calories otherwise it would make a difference!0
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Thank you, I agree.
Here's a link for those who are doubtful or defensive: http://saveourbones.com/?s=the+milk+myth)
Also, if it's so great for preventing osteoporosis (as the dairy industry claims and promotes), then how come we have some of the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world? If it's so protective, why are our rates outrageously higher than other continents who consume very little dairy, or none at all?
You can get all the calcium you need from plant foods. If it weren't possible, it would be like condemning a person with a lactose intolerance to a lifetime of broken bones. Obviously that's not the case. The only reason people think we've "evolved" to consume dairy (by stating that we have the ability to digest lactose), is because we're simply not weaned from milk as infants. If anyone stops consuming dairy for any length of time, the body loses the ability to digest lactose and will becoming intolerant. It's not a disorder, it's supposed to happen after infancy. Being able to digest lactose as adults is not evolutionary magic.
That is not even close to being a credible link. No peer reviewed studie or data from scholarly journals. Just a website with an ax to grind. As have others, you've made a lot of claims here. Please support them with credible evidence. If you are unable to do that, then this is just your opinion which you are welcome to.
T. Colin Campbell- biochemist specializing in nutrition and effects on long-term health.
The China Study - a 20 year comprehensive study of the relationship between animal products and chronic illness done by The University of Oxford, Cornell University, and Chinese Academy of Preventative Medicine.
The book author T. Colin Campbell, PhD. grew up on a dairy farm. In multiple, peer-reviewed animal studies, researchers discovered that they could actually turn the growth of cancer cells on and off by raising and lowering doses of casein, the main protein found in cow’s milk.0 -
You are aware of course that The China Study has been completly debunked?
Edited to add links
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/385/
http://www.westonaprice.org/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/the-china-study-myth
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
Just 3 of many. Additionally a quote from the last link.
Yet the pages of The China Study make no mention of George Mann's and other researcher's extensive study of the heart-healthy Masai or the healthy primitives of Weston Price, who relied extensively on fatty animal foods.
That the programs of Ornish and Esselstyn involved more than abstention from animal foods-- especially the program of Ornish, of which diet is only a small part-- is not seen as a confounding factor that detracts from our ability to incriminate animal foods in heart disease. Nor does he bother to mention the cannibalism or the swollen bellies of children that accompanies the protein-starved diet of the New Guinea highlands.35 In The China Study's discussion of diabetes, Dr. Campbell concludes that "high-fiber, whole, plant-based foods protect against diabetes, and high-fat, high-protein, animal-based foods promote diabetes."36 He discusses the possible role of cow's milk (an animal food) in causing type one diabetes via an autoimmune reaction,37 but makes no mention that wheat gluten (a plant food) has been implicated in Type 1 diabetes by a similar process.38 He similarly fails to mention the role of fructose consumption (from plant foods) in causing insulin resistance,39, 40 and the increase in high fructose corn syrup consumption that has paralleled the increase in diabetes
If that's your idea of credible evidence, we have very different ideas.0 -
saveourbones.com sure does sound completely unbiased with their opinion of dairy taking calcium from our bones. Yup.
The site is about bone health, not just dairy. So how does that make it a biased website? It's simply presenting information that can also be found elsewhere for those who want more research based evidence (and rightfully so). Biased would be if they were making big money for promoting dairy for bone health like the dairy industry. They're not the ones producing the dairy products, making loads of money by promoting it and lobbying. Now that is biased.0 -
mmapags- I'm open to being corrected, so no I wasn't aware of the information you replied with.
I'm aware of the fact that simply the absence of animal foods in itself does not necessarily make a person's diet healthier than someone whose diet does contain small amounts of animal foods. For example, someone who is vegan could live off of oreos, french fries, and canned vegetables and be very, very unhealthy and sick. On the other hand, someone who eats small to moderate amounts of meat and/or dairy may also eat plenty of green leafy vegetables, fruit, legumes/beans, nuts seeds, etc... and be much healthier overall. I just think that if a person IS going to consume dairy, it should be minimal and should be free of antibiotics, hormones, and other stuff (although I personally don't consume it anymore) and that the majority of the diet should be more nutritionally dense plant foods. Everyone can agree on those.
I've even recently heard of the Gerson therapy which is a holistic nutritional approach to treating and preventing illness with nutrition as well.. but doesn't necessarily avoid meat, but includes an abundance in other whole plant foods, and still has high success rates with chronic illness.
No one is ever going to agree on what is the best approach to nutrition because there have been difference studies, different conclusions, and there will always be difference of opinion. Although I'd strongly advocate for a plant-based diet, I think that people should at least eat whole foods, and find something that works for THEM. If it's not a sustainable lifestyle, then it'll be harder to stay healthy in the long-term.0 -
For years, I was under the assumption that low fat/fat free was better for me. Thankfully, I've realised the truth. About last summer, I switched to full fat dairy and lost the last few pounds. For moral reasons, I try to get organic whenever possible. For ethical reasons, I've toyed with the idea of veganism but highly doubt I would. I love milk, cheese, yogurts, etc. Since giving up meat, my consumption of cheese has skyrocketed and I still lost 21lbs.
I could NOT go back to lower fat yoghurts especially, full fat is soooooooo creamy and delicious!!0 -
saveourbones.com sure does sound completely unbiased with their opinion of dairy taking calcium from our bones. Yup.
The site is about bone health, not just dairy. So how does that make it a biased website? It's simply presenting information that can also be found elsewhere for those who want more research based evidence (and rightfully so). Biased would be if they were making big money for promoting dairy for bone health like the dairy industry. They're not the ones producing the dairy products, making loads of money by promoting it and lobbying. Now that is biased.
You don't have to be making money off of something to be biased, though this site has products for sale...
A site that presents only one side of an issue is biased. That's what bias means: partial to or presenting only one side of an argument or thought, sometimes at the expense of a more valid one.0 -
Dairy generally is high calorie - not including certain "skim" products that have been stripped/modified.
Everyone thinks this, but it isn't true. Usually fat is added to milk. The parts that are separated from the milk are used to make cheese. Skim milk is as close to milk from the cow as you can get without it actually coming straight from the cow.0 -
exactly. I always wondered who was the first person to look at a cow's udders and think "MMMM Im gonna get me some of that!"
Actually, early homo sapiens were drinking goat's milk first. They also used goat's bladders as water bottles. :happy:0 -
im a health care provider. i most often tell my patients to cut out dairy for a plethora of reasons. in terms of weight loss, if you do simple things like use vinagrettes instead of ranch or do broth based soups instead of cream -based, you are helping yourself out. for more info on negatives of low-fat dairy, look into Dr. Weils info on the topic, Nourishing Traditions website (I disagree with some of their info but good info on low-fat dairy), The China Study, and the book called something like Eat Fat, Lose Fat.
Hope this helps you start reading on the topic.0 -
I find when I cut dairy from my diet I loose more weight, I've just started using almond milk, but i have a love affair with cheese. So, I reward myself with it now and then as a treat like I would chocolate
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I don't know anything scientifically, so I'm just going off observation and personal experience.
I've known people who were intense workaholics and body builders, they lived on protein. They were convinced you need to cut out the CARBS to lose the fat. On the flip side I've talked to other people who have said they cut out all dairy and animal products and lost a significant amount of weight.
My assumption is, if you do a drastic change, of any kind, to your diet you will get SOME kind of result from it. Do whatever feels right to you. If you eat dairy, just make sure it's fresh, local, hormone free and low or fat free. I'm a milk and cheese fan, so I'll probably never cut it out.0 -
Ants which farm aphids would disagree with you.Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. If you really take a few minutes to take that in, it will seem silly.
Anyway, this still relies on the logical fallacy "natural = good, unnatural = bad" or the similar "we're the only species to ___ therefore it's bad."0
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