An Argument Against Fast Food
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That's how I feel right now..lmao!0 -
Story time!
I hadn't eaten McDonald's in about a year, year and a half.
I just started a new job, and after work at 5pm I saw a McDonald's right across the street.
I got my usual, kid's meal cheeseburger with fries and a soda, ate it and it was delicious.
About 45 minutes later, I had the worst stomach cramps. And being a girl, I'm used to cramps.
The pain continued for about 2 hours, and I was on the couch rolling back and forth wondering WHY THE FRACK DID I EAT MCDONALDS.
End story. I still love the food but it messes me up. Oh also I farted the nastiest smelling gas that has ever come out of a girl.0 -
Chad Johnson - or is it Ochocinco this week? - and many other elite professional athletes would disagree with you.0
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i actually think the conversation is getting good! of course that's when the trolls return.
Didn't you read the definition of a troll that I put up for you several pages back? Disagreeing =/= trolling. Ugh.0 -
BTW, what are we arguing about now.. I completely forgot. If this is going no where, can I just lock this thread?
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Why is no one willing to talk about the MERCURY in the VACCINES that we're giving CHILDREN?
Maybe because almost none of them contain mercury anymore?
Where did it all go then? I read an article one time that was FULL of wild allegations! What do you have to say about that??0 -
People use the term "fast food" as if it is even remotely all the same. So if I get a grilled chicken sandwich and a fruit cup from a fast food place once per week, I have increased my risk of heart attack by 20%?
Likely 97% plus of the people that argue over nutritional science on here have not a clue what they are talking about.0 -
Then explain the difference of someone else who gets in the correct macro/micro nutrient daily content required, eat the majority (say 85%) of their calories in nutritious dense food, yet still have calories to spare and eat some "processed" foods to fill in? Where is the detriment if someone is trained correctly, isn't suffering from any health maladies and stays steady in weight and health?Hate to tell you that many top and elite Olympian athletes eat fast food. Why? Because of calorie content. If you burn 8,000 to 10,000 calories a day, they CAN'T eat "clean" all day and perform well because they would always be eating and full.
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we've been through this already and I agree. but it's ok for them to eat fast food ON TOP of the other nutrient dense foods they eat because their daily needs are being met by those foods, and the empty calories of fast food actually HELP them vs hurt them like with typical people. but don't make the mistake of thinking they don't also eat incredibly nutritious, nutrient dense foods every day as well.
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Well according to CoachReddy's original post - if you want to perform "better" - you need to cut out the fast food. But top athletes eat fast food in moderation. So if we go by his original statement, then they should cut out the fast food to perform even better.
But then he says that Michael Phelps is a genetic freak and it's okay for him to eat fast food. As for the other athletes that do - never got an answer as to whether they were exempt or not. Or if pro-athletes, in general, were exempt from this book's message.0 -
Story time!
I hadn't eaten McDonald's in about a year, year and a half.
I just started a new job, and after work at 5pm I saw a McDonald's right across the street.
I got my usual, kid's meal cheeseburger with fries and a soda, ate it and it was delicious.
About 45 minutes later, I had the worst stomach cramps. And being a girl, I'm used to cramps.
The pain continued for about 2 hours, and I was on the couch rolling back and forth wondering WHY THE FRACK DID I EAT MCDONALDS.
End story. I still love the food but it messes me up. Oh also I farted the nastiest smelling gas that has ever come out of a girl.
So what you are saying is you weakened yourself through lack of exposure?
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I'm confused about this. So you don't agree with the nutrition specialists and doctors involved in writing the book who say that the reason for overeating is that the brain doesn't turn off the "hungry" signals due to lack of nutrient nourishment?
Do you ever wonder why - after eating a 1000 calorie fast food meal - you get hungry again relatively quickly? To me that gels perfectly with what the writer of the book is saying. Because the food is nutrient-sparce, as the body starts digesting it, it realizes its nutritional needs aren't being met, so it signals to brain to "get hungry" again so it can get more nutrients.
I'm not saying you're wrong - and obviously the fact that it tastes good plays a part - but I'm just interested in why you don't feel that the lack of nutrients plays a role.
Correct. I don't agree that that the principle reason for over eating is due to lack of nutrients which turn off hunger cues (I presume you are talking about leptin & ghrelin - if not please let me know) although it may be a contributing factor.
I think feelings of hunger do come about relatively quickly after consuming a fast food meal though as you say. I think this is for a number of reasons being a) it is a pleasurable experience on both a physiological level (dopamine triggers) and a psychological level so you begin to crave another serving b) fluctuating blood sugar levels as it is usually very sugary c) increased thirst which can also be confused for hunger as it is usually salty and d) the actual volume of food consumed at a sitting can be quite low (a Big Mac and fries is actually not that much food in terms of pure volume for example.)
ok cool. we're actually on the same page. there are absolutely many contributing factors, and you listed a lot of really great ones there. thanks for that.
Well, 16 pages to get to this -- I beleive you were told early on that it was not nutrients only or even a major element of satiation.
People often attribute ongoing satiation to their feelings of fullness, there is a lot of evidence that satiation is psychological as well as physiological. Satiation happens too quickly in terms of biological processes to be purely digestive in nature, does not depend on just caloric or nutritional content. It really does appears that satiation is not solely driven by an internal meter indicating whether a need has been met - there are many studies on the psychology of eating that show this. Satiation also clearly has psychological components that are most likely linked to other well-known mechanisms such as envirnomental clueing, sensory adaptation and habituation.
It's nice to see you adjust your thinking across the discussion.
You stated some illnesses can be avoided by choices in diet and lifestyle but in reality it is the opposite. Some diseases can be aggrevated or triggered by diet/lifestyle choices - high blood pressure, diabetes, CVD, etc still exist among the "healthiest" of eaters just at lower frequencies. And the single most important risk factors in as a health marker for the most common diseases in America is not the type of food, a specific food item, fast vs slow but obesity and activity level. Within a varied lifestyle with food sources that cover nutrient needs the current arguments to completely avoid one food or another are specious.0 -
well.. fast food is not pleasurable for me to consume..If i eat it I feel sick and can't eat the rest of the day. A big mac is a pretty big burger in my opinion and fries.. well that all depends on the size you go with and how much they stuff it huh? I like to taste my food, not the grease it is cooked in. lol
It is high is salt and sugar esp when paired with soda as it usually is.
And as i've told you. You can't diary shame me. i don't eat enough. That's my biggest problem and I know it.. and it's a work in progress.Run along kid......grown folks talking. As it was stated in the last page and I have told you before and again, your daily dairy is horrible. You have no merit to speak on this subject.
And as I've told you. Yes you don't eat enough but that's not what I'm getting at. You constantly come on here saying how to not eat this or that but yet you eat "bad for you food" as you put it, all the time. Then defend it by saying well I still lose weight and you don't here me complaining about eating stuff in my diary. Your diary is open to being shamed when you take this "I only make healthy choices" approach in your posts yet your food choices are atrocious, to quote a previous poster.
Uh no.. I dont' eat it all the time. And I'm not on here saying to never eat anything bad for you ever or you're bad, nor do I come on here complaing that I feel crappy then go out and eat crappy food. I am an advocate of no McDonalds or BK or other places like that. But you don't have to be. I happen to think my food chocies overall are very good.
LOL. I have all the answers?? Thanks! I didn't know. lol. I probably need to start commenting on more things if that's the case..
yes.. because some of it is genetics and unavoidable. But most of those who have diabetes, obesity HBP etc could have avoided it by making smarter choices in their younger years.You stated some illnesses can be avoided by choices in diet and lifestyle but in reality it is the opposite. Some diseases can be aggrevated or triggered by diet/lifestyle choices - high blood pressure, diabetes, CVD, etc still exist among the "healthiest" of eaters just at lower frequencies.0 -
Why is no one willing to talk about the MERCURY in the VACCINES that we're giving CHILDREN?
Maybe because almost none of them contain mercury anymore?
Where did it all go then? I read an article one time that was FULL of wild allegations! What do you have to say about that??
Dump one out. Does it look like liquid metal to you? Poof to all the wild allegations!0 -
Personally it seems like most people are in agreement.
Is fast food optimal? No. Are there better choices? Yes. In the context of an otherwise good and balanced diet is some fast food bad? No.
You mean to tell me that keeping things in context and being proportionate is the key? Who knew
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Although I don't presently eat fast food, I did (a lot) in college and it did not negatively affect my body composition nor health. Then again, I was very active while walking about campus and exercising six days a week. I'm not against any kind of food.0
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A great study would be to take twins (say like Tiki and Ronde Barber) who exude the SAME physical attributes and feed one with processed foods and the other with just organic foods and see if there's a difference in their performance on the field. IMO, genetics will have a lot to do with it, but it would be an interesting study.
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Now you're pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining. You were caught red-handed and you're sitting there denying it. The Jedi Mind Trick doesn't work on me, and neither does your straw man. Learn to admit when you're wrong and maybe someone around here will have some respect for you.But hey, I'm not here to say you HAVE to do it. I'm not even saying you should! If you'd rather eat fast food because you really enjoy it, then I would never advocate giving it up! But if your goals are to perform better and to feel better, not just lose weight, it may be worth considering.
Dude, you totally moved the goal posts. Your first post very specifically said to consider giving it up. You didn't say, "cut back," or "only in moderation," you said, "giving it up!"i actually completely agree with much of what you just wrote. i never said that one instance of fast food eating will cause a horrific reaction in your body, or that you will experience nutritional stress from it. i've always maintained through these discussions that it's the repeated, constant ingesting of fast food that will slowly begin to take a toll. an isolated incident - frankly even eating it once or twice a week - will more than likely not make a difference. I think it's a different story when it becomes a daily thing.
"But hey, I'm not here to say you HAVE to do it. I'm not even saying you should! If you'd rather eat fast food because you really enjoy it, then I would never advocate giving it up! But if your goals are to perform better and to feel better, not just lose weight, it may be worth considering."
MAY be worth considering. Worth thinking about. Worth doing the research about. I never said "YOU MUST NEVER EAT FAST FOOD"
come on man.0 -
Story time!
I hadn't eaten McDonald's in about a year, year and a half.
I just started a new job, and after work at 5pm I saw a McDonald's right across the street.
I got my usual, kid's meal cheeseburger with fries and a soda, ate it and it was delicious.
About 45 minutes later, I had the worst stomach cramps. And being a girl, I'm used to cramps.
The pain continued for about 2 hours, and I was on the couch rolling back and forth wondering WHY THE FRACK DID I EAT MCDONALDS.
End story. I still love the food but it messes me up. Oh also I farted the nastiest smelling gas that has ever come out of a girl.
So what you are saying is you weakened yourself through lack of exposure?
ahahaha, in short, yes.0 -
THIS.But sometimes, you just need a dirty cheeseburger.
This made me laugh...:)0 -
Story time!
I hadn't eaten McDonald's in about a year, year and a half.
I just started a new job, and after work at 5pm I saw a McDonald's right across the street.
I got my usual, kid's meal cheeseburger with fries and a soda, ate it and it was delicious.
About 45 minutes later, I had the worst stomach cramps. And being a girl, I'm used to cramps.
The pain continued for about 2 hours, and I was on the couch rolling back and forth wondering WHY THE FRACK DID I EAT MCDONALDS.
End story. I still love the food but it messes me up. Oh also I farted the nastiest smelling gas that has ever come out of a girl.
So what you are saying is you weakened yourself through lack of exposure?
ahahaha, in short, yes.
Now that we are agreed on that, it's time to determine whether having a pic from Warehouse 13 as your avi makes you awesome or a dork.0 -
I just had nuggets n fries from wendy's smothered in honey mustard sauce and I feel GREAT!0
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A great study would be to take twins (say like Tiki and Ronde Barber) who exude the SAME physical attributes and feed one with processed foods and the other with just organic foods and see if there's a difference in their performance on the field. IMO, genetics will have a lot to do with it, but it would be an interesting study.
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Which goes to show why you, sir, are not designing studies.
It would be about as significant as tossing a coin in the air.0 -
Why is no one willing to talk about the MERCURY in the VACCINES that we're giving CHILDREN?
Maybe because almost none of them contain mercury anymore?
Where did it all go then? I read an article one time that was FULL of wild allegations! What do you have to say about that??
Apparently, into the tuna...and then into my bloodstream...which is why I scored a 7 on a test that should have been <5. (Well, that, and I'm just an overachiever.)
ETA: on-topic - almost all of the tuna I eat is in sushi...prepared at a sushi bar in a grocery store. Does that make it fast food and therefore subject to these restrictions (or really strongly suggested guidelines) for optimal performance?0 -
ETA: on-topic - almost all of the tuna I eat is in sushi...prepared at a sushi bar in a grocery store. Does that make it fast food and therefore subject to these restrictions (or really strongly suggested guidelines) for optimal performance?
That just makes you brave. Very, very brave!0 -
without reading all of the comments, I'm gonna say that I agree that fast food* is lower on the nutrition chart... ergo what I'd call "empty calories." Ok, not completely empty as there are macros, but there's not a lot of micros. So when I eat fast food, i tend to be hungry after and I think this is because my body wants nutrients. This is patently obvious when I eat a taco bell "bean fresco" burrito that is like 300 cals but i need two to feel full and then I'm starving an hour later. I don't know what they do wrong but a bean burrito that size I make at home is less calories and I feel full on one and I feel fuller longer. I think it has to do with micronutrients. I'm no doctor. But that makes sense to me.
So let's say I got all my nutrients that i need on a particular day, let's say I ate tons of wholesome yummy veggies all day and then I worked out like a beast and I was craving french fries. It's not gonna kill me to eat french fries. So 'fast foods" might not be awesome sauce, but they also aren't something you must completely feel guilty about if you partake now and again. And i think that's important for the new folks here to know- if you are dying for that pizza, and you feel like you are a total failure if you eat it, don't feel like a failure...just make it a part of a larger balanced lifestyle that includes a lot of healthy foods and a lot of excellent exercise.
* defining fast foods: for me, it's generally your brand names taco bell, mc donalds, burker king, etc. Not just something that is fast to prepare because then my salad would be a "fast food"0 -
Ah, but which twin would be heads and the other tails?:laugh:A great study would be to take twins (say like Tiki and Ronde Barber) who exude the SAME physical attributes and feed one with processed foods and the other with just organic foods and see if there's a difference in their performance on the field. IMO, genetics will have a lot to do with it, but it would be an interesting study.
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Which goes to show why you, sir, are not designing studies.
It would be about as significant as tossing a coin in the air.
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How does this help me make s-shaped stool?0
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How does this help me make s-shaped stool?
A fair and legitimate question if ever there were one0 -
Pardon me if I'm repeating what someone else posted, but I just didn't have time to read through all the pages of discussion. Anyway, here's my take:
Digestion requires a significant amount of energy, and some foods are harder to digest than others (i.e., require more energy). I suspect that people who eat only fast food are spending more energy digesting high amounts of fat. I also suspect that their perceived lack of energy may be caused by the amounts of high glycemic index carbohydrates, which are common in fast foods (insulin crash).
I'm reluctant to buy-in to the idea that low nutrient foods require more energy to digest because one's body is somehow searching for those missing nutrients. Instead, I think they require what they require to digest because of the types of food they are, and the end result on the person who eats them is that they end up deficient in certain nutrients.
For those people who eat a lot of fast food AND who are conscientious about getting all of their nutrients, yes, they will have to eat more food to do so, so they will be spending more energy in digesting that food.0 -
Unless of course they get them from suppliments and\or eating nutrient dense foods at other times during the day0
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Someone please message me when this is answered. Thanks guys!
A fair and legitimate question if ever there were oneHow does this help me make s-shaped stool?0
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