An Argument Against Fast Food
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i may at some point. however they probably just talk about how eating clean doesn't matter, right?
if someone WANTS to go the extra mile, they shouldn't be vilified for it. if you guys want the easy, quick fixes, then go for it! that's your choice!
Excuse me..I'm sorry....easy, quick fixes....seriously did you just... :explode: :mad:
arguing on behalf of fast food means you want to keep that in your diet. that's much easier than eliminating it no? even though you all know it's really not great for you?
There you go again. Assuming that fast food is bad for you, without context and dosage. You have yet to show that having fast food, in moderation and as part of an otherwise balanced and nutritiously dense diet, has any long term health issues.
can you define for me "moderation"?
Moderation can be having it once a day to once a year.
Definition:
The avoidance of excess or extremes
The action of making something less extreme, intense, or violent.
... once a day and once a year are two VERY different things and will have COMPLETELY different effects on the body.0 -
i may at some point. however they probably just talk about how eating clean doesn't matter, right?
if someone WANTS to go the extra mile, they shouldn't be vilified for it. if you guys want the easy, quick fixes, then go for it! that's your choice!
Excuse me..I'm sorry....easy, quick fixes....seriously did you just... :explode: :mad:
arguing on behalf of fast food means you want to keep that in your diet. that's much easier than eliminating it no? even though you all know it's really not great for you?
There you go again. Assuming that fast food is bad for you, without context and dosage. You have yet to show that having fast food, in moderation and as part of an otherwise balanced and nutritiously dense diet, has any long term health issues.
can you define for me "moderation"?
Why does it matter - according to you ANY amount is bad.
while fast food is never the BEST choice you could make, it won't kill you to eat once in a blue moon. I've also said this repeatedly.0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.0
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even if it's a small portion of your diet, the body still wastes energy trying to assimilate it. it's still a net loss in energy compared to the nutrient-dense alternative.No one has ever suggested that a significant portion of your diet should be comprised of fast food.
is made of straw.
so by that logic, your body uses more calories to process fast food, wouldn't that be a postive for people trying to lose weight?
That would be like one of those anecdotal finding like the value of nuts in the nurses health study that nut companies like to cite...
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I agree that fast food is not a good idea. I avoid it just because of the highly processed nature. I also limit it for my kids, but I was
really confused by the quote that was used. Usually wasted energy means energy not used, not converted into fat or anything else.
Like people who can eat anything and don't put on weight. It is because their bodies tend to "waste" the energy they are
consuming.
In Australia we have categorized food into low or High GI foods. This sounds like what the article is referring to. Low GI...slow energy release foods such as brown rice, meats, veg etc. The body doesn't need as much energy to process them so they sustain you for longer. High GI foods like sugars and refined carbs use more energy to be processed by the body and therefore the increased use of energy use means you are hungrier earlier. A lot of people who can lose weight and sustain it on lower cals can do so because they eat low GI food..it sustains them longer so their calorie intake is lower but they are still receiving good nutrition.
Athletes can eat both because they are training and comprising and constantly using energy (high GI food a burst of energy) but I guarantee that in their down time, they eat drastically different..less calories and lower GI.
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Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%0 -
i may at some point. however they probably just talk about how eating clean doesn't matter, right?
if someone WANTS to go the extra mile, they shouldn't be vilified for it. if you guys want the easy, quick fixes, then go for it! that's your choice!
Excuse me..I'm sorry....easy, quick fixes....seriously did you just... :explode: :mad:
arguing on behalf of fast food means you want to keep that in your diet. that's much easier than eliminating it no? even though you all know it's really not great for you?
There you go again. Assuming that fast food is bad for you, without context and dosage. You have yet to show that having fast food, in moderation and as part of an otherwise balanced and nutritiously dense diet, has any long term health issues.
can you define for me "moderation"?
Why does it matter - according to you ANY amount is bad.
while fast food is never the BEST choice you could make, it won't kill you to eat once in a blue moon. I've also said this repeatedly.
Define "once in a blue moon".0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P0 -
You are right! I can do it again. I'm going to go cook myself some quinoa with kale for tomorrow!
I just know that for me, personally, anything I do becomes a habit so I guess it's time to start doing what I haven't been doing so much. Thanks for this post. I feel like things are a little closer to my reach and a big grocery trip is in store for the weekend!0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P
Yes we have. 10lb of muscle eh??0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P
So according to your diary, you're scarfing down chocolate covered donuts and crackers while preaching this garbage. Does the Shakeology shake "detox" that out of your body? Please give us the holy word.0 -
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The first thing I want when I reach goal weight is a Double Double Animal style.... That being said, it's a treat, not a staple.
I just had one of those the other day, Deelicious!0 -
i may at some point. however they probably just talk about how eating clean doesn't matter, right?
if someone WANTS to go the extra mile, they shouldn't be vilified for it. if you guys want the easy, quick fixes, then go for it! that's your choice!
Excuse me..I'm sorry....easy, quick fixes....seriously did you just... :explode: :mad:
arguing on behalf of fast food means you want to keep that in your diet. that's much easier than eliminating it no? even though you all know it's really not great for you?
A donut can be easily eliminated from your diet, right Coachie? Then why do you eat them and put them in your diary for everyone to see, even though you know aforementioned donut is not good for you?
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Had a friend do that with an innertube...but that was back before digital.
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Fast food in general is bad for you. it's not natural . I don't care if you like it or can lose weight while eating it. It's bad for you. Fry a chicken and it's way less healthy then baked. Can't dispute that. Throw out all the links and all the people who lost weight while eating it stories you want. Fast food is not healthy. Most of it is pre-packaged, per made, full of filler and chemicals barely grade edible food. Are there better choices then others at fast food places? sure. that doesn't make them inherently healthy. the first things doctors will tell you when embarking on a journey towards health is to cut fatty greasy sugar laden foods from your diet and to eat fruit vegetable and real meat. Mine did. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise? I drink beer, but i'm not going to come on here and argue the "healthy" merits of beer. It's not healthy. I drink it because I want to. End of story. It's way better for me then fast food, but it's by not means healthy and you won't get that argument from me. I also manage to lose weight and am getting back to health while still drinking it. Still not healthy. same concept.
The person who eats it once or twice a year will have no real effects from it, (well maybe in the long run depends what choices they make) that does not negate the fact that it's unhealthy and very bad for you! Eating it often will produce negative side affects in the long run. right. that means not today, not tomorrow., but in the future.. when your body is less equipped to handle it.
I get it.. everyone wants to defend their food choices, because they feel like when you make a statement such as this it is something against you, because you do said behavior. A fact is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.0 -
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Fast food in general is bad for you. it's not natural . I don't care if you like it or can lose weight while eating it. It's bad for you. Fry a chicken and it's way less healthy then baked. Can't dispute that. Throw out all the links and all the people who lost weight while eating it stories you want. Fast food is not healthy. Most of it is pre-packaged, per made, full of filler and chemicals barely grade edible food. Are there better choices then others at fast food places? sure. that doesn't make them inherently healthy. the first things doctors will tell you when embarking on a journey towards health is to cut fatty greasy sugar laden foods from your diet and to eat fruit vegetable and real meat. Mine did. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise? I drink beer, but i'm not going to come on here and argue the "healthy" merits of beer. It's not healthy. I drink it because I want to. End of story. It's way better for me then fast food, but it's by not means healthy and you won't get that argument from me. I also manage to lose weight and am getting back to health while still drinking it. Still not healthy. same concept.
The person who eats it once or twice a year will have no real effects from it, that does not negate the fact that it's unhealthy and very bad for you! Eating it often will produce negative side affects in the long run. right. that means not today, not tomorrow., but in the future.. when your body is less equipped to handle it.
I get it.. everyone wants to defend their food choices, because they feel like when you make a statement such as this it is something against you, because you do said behavior. A fact is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.
thanks for clearing up the facts for us.
also, post was eponysterical0 -
Unfortunately, most foods in the average North American's diet require almost as much energy to assimilate as they contain, because while they are high in calories, they are low in nutrients.
Essentially the point is this: because fast food is not nutritionally dense, your body has to work harder to get fewer nutrients, which is a WASTE of energy. Energy that could otherwise be used on anything from recovery - which would allow you to train harder and more often - to mental energy, to just feeling better in your day to day life.
Both of these ideas are false. But let's imagine to a minute that the average NA diet DID require almost as much energy to assimilate as they contain....
Imagine a nation of undernourished, underfed people. On the average.
Basic idea just doesn't hold water.
actually while i get how you came to that - you're missing the point that when a body is undernourished, the brain continues to signal that it's "hungry" even if the stomach is full. this is what causes people who tend to eat a lot of processed foods to keep eating MORE than they should. The body eventually gets the nutrients, but only because they've overeaten. Thus the obesity epidemic in the US.
The point you're missing is that animals, especially omnivores and carnivores, have brains with hard wired primal instincts that have allowed us to survive up until this point that tell us to eat even when we're not hungry. Nutrient density has a negligible effect in this area. That's because for the past couple of hundred million years, food has NEVER been assured. Your subconscious instincts don't know that for the past hundred years, food has been in relative abundance on a large scale to a large portion of the population in many regions of the world (unprecedented in the history of the planet for any animal). That is why people eat more than they should. Thus why we have to make concious, rational decisions with our eating habits in order to maintain a healthy weight.
Is fast food good for us? No. Should we eat it all the time? No. Should we avoid it like the plague? Only if you want to. Should we tout this as the way to live, forever cutting all processed foods out of our diets? Not if you want the majority of the people who use this cite to achieve their weight loss goals. Moderation is the key, not total dietary elimination.
And finally, the obesity epidemic in the US has been caused by the unprecedented availability of cheap food, the cheapest of which tends not to be the healthiest (a bag of chips vs organic produce).
Note: forgive me if someone said the same thing, I only read through page 5 before deciding to add my two cents to this fun topic.0 -
Fast food in general is bad for you. it's not natural . I don't care if you like it or can lose weight while eating it. It's bad for you. Fry a chicken and it's way less healthy then baked. Can't dispute that. Throw out all the links and all the people who lost weight while eating it stories you want. Fast food is not healthy. Most of it is pre-packaged, per made, full of filler and chemicals barely grade edible food. Are there better choices then others at fast food places? sure. that doesn't make them inherently healthy. the first things doctors will tell you when embarking on a journey towards health is to cut fatty greasy sugar laden foods from your diet and to eat fruit vegetable and real meat. Mine did. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise? I drink beer, but i'm not going to come on here and argue the "healthy" merits of beer. It's not healthy. I drink it because I want to. End of story. It's way better for me then fast food, but it's by not means healthy and you won't get that argument from me. I also manage to lose weight and am getting back to health while still drinking it. Still not healthy. same concept.
The person who eats it once or twice a year will have no real effects from it, (well maybe in the long run depends what choices they make) that does not negate the fact that it's unhealthy and very bad for you! Eating it often will produce negative side affects in the long run. right. that means not today, not tomorrow., but in the future.. when your body is less equipped to handle it.
I get it.. everyone wants to defend their food choices, because they feel like when you make a statement such as this it is something against you, because you do said behavior. A fact is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.
you rock. 0 -
Fast food in general is bad for you. it's not natural . I don't care if you like it or can lose weight while eating it. It's bad for you. Fry a chicken and it's way less healthy then baked. Can't dispute that. Throw out all the links and all the people who lost weight while eating it stories you want. Fast food is not healthy. Most of it is pre-packaged, per made, full of filler and chemicals barely grade edible food. Are there better choices then others at fast food places? sure. that doesn't make them inherently healthy. the first things doctors will tell you when embarking on a journey towards health is to cut fatty greasy sugar laden foods from your diet and to eat fruit vegetable and real meat. Mine did. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise? I drink beer, but i'm not going to come on here and argue the "healthy" merits of beer. It's not healthy. I drink it because I want to. End of story. It's way better for me then fast food, but it's by not means healthy and you won't get that argument from me. I also manage to lose weight and am getting back to health while still drinking it. Still not healthy. same concept.
The person who eats it once or twice a year will have no real effects from it, (well maybe in the long run depends what choices they make) that does not negate the fact that it's unhealthy and very bad for you! Eating it often will produce negative side affects in the long run. right. that means not today, not tomorrow., but in the future.. when your body is less equipped to handle it.
I get it.. everyone wants to defend their food choices, because they feel like when you make a statement such as this it is something against you, because you do said behavior. A fact is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.
you rock.
like two peas in a freakin' pod. LOL0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P
So according to your diary, you're scarfing down chocolate covered donuts and crackers while preaching this garbage. Does the Shakeology shake "detox" that out of your body? Please give us the holy word.
lol my diary is also full of a ton of whole foods. today wasn't perfect. look at yesterday. absolute perfection. :P
i've already said 90/10.
to set things straight. ONE donut and 7 crackers. I'd have thought that was a model of moderation for you fast-food junkies!0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P
So according to your diary, you're scarfing down chocolate covered donuts and crackers while preaching this garbage. Does the Shakeology shake "detox" that out of your body? Please give us the holy word.
lol my diary is also full of a ton of whole foods. today wasn't perfect. look at yesterday. absolute perfection. :P
i've already said 90/10.
to set things straight. ONE donut and 7 crackers. I'd have thought that was a model of moderation for you fast-food junkies!
What you just said, is what we all have been saying all along. Either your reading comprehension skills are horrendous or you just changed your position. You're a young, wet behind the ears hypocrite. You will eventually grow up but I'm not waiting around for it.0 -
lol.. at least this pod will have the best food! LOLFast food in general is bad for you. it's not natural . I don't care if you like it or can lose weight while eating it. It's bad for you. Fry a chicken and it's way less healthy then baked. Can't dispute that. Throw out all the links and all the people who lost weight while eating it stories you want. Fast food is not healthy. Most of it is pre-packaged, per made, full of filler and chemicals barely grade edible food. Are there better choices then others at fast food places? sure. that doesn't make them inherently healthy. the first things doctors will tell you when embarking on a journey towards health is to cut fatty greasy sugar laden foods from your diet and to eat fruit vegetable and real meat. Mine did. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise? I drink beer, but i'm not going to come on here and argue the "healthy" merits of beer. It's not healthy. I drink it because I want to. End of story. It's way better for me then fast food, but it's by not means healthy and you won't get that argument from me. I also manage to lose weight and am getting back to health while still drinking it. Still not healthy. same concept.
The person who eats it once or twice a year will have no real effects from it, (well maybe in the long run depends what choices they make) that does not negate the fact that it's unhealthy and very bad for you! Eating it often will produce negative side affects in the long run. right. that means not today, not tomorrow., but in the future.. when your body is less equipped to handle it.
I get it.. everyone wants to defend their food choices, because they feel like when you make a statement such as this it is something against you, because you do said behavior. A fact is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.
you rock.
like two peas in a freakin' pod. LOL0 -
Fast food in general is bad for you. it's not natural . I don't care if you like it or can lose weight while eating it. It's bad for you. Fry a chicken and it's way less healthy then baked. Can't dispute that. Throw out all the links and all the people who lost weight while eating it stories you want. Fast food is not healthy. Most of it is pre-packaged, per made, full of filler and chemicals barely grade edible food. Are there better choices then others at fast food places? sure. that doesn't make them inherently healthy. the first things doctors will tell you when embarking on a journey towards health is to cut fatty greasy sugar laden foods from your diet and to eat fruit vegetable and real meat. Mine did. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise? I drink beer, but i'm not going to come on here and argue the "healthy" merits of beer. It's not healthy. I drink it because I want to. End of story. It's way better for me then fast food, but it's by not means healthy and you won't get that argument from me. I also manage to lose weight and am getting back to health while still drinking it. Still not healthy. same concept.
The person who eats it once or twice a year will have no real effects from it, (well maybe in the long run depends what choices they make) that does not negate the fact that it's unhealthy and very bad for you! Eating it often will produce negative side affects in the long run. right. that means not today, not tomorrow., but in the future.. when your body is less equipped to handle it.
I get it.. everyone wants to defend their food choices, because they feel like when you make a statement such as this it is something against you, because you do said behavior. A fact is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.
Well said and I also love beer but when I only ate fast food one or twice a year I could REALLY feel the effects of it. It was super-pronounced (instant loss of energy, lethargy, bloating, etc.) It's now that I eat crap more often that I feel the effects less, though in general I have grown used to feeling crappy.0 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P
So according to your diary, you're scarfing down chocolate covered donuts and crackers while preaching this garbage. Does the Shakeology shake "detox" that out of your body? Please give us the holy word.
lol my diary is also full of a ton of whole foods. today wasn't perfect. look at yesterday. absolute perfection. :P
i've already said 90/10.
to set things straight. ONE donut and 7 crackers. I'd have thought that was a model of moderation for you fast-food junkies!
And so BK, Subway, Panera and Dominoes is okay in moderation, right?
But your post was discussing about cutting it out completely...not to eat in moderation.0 -
i may at some point. however they probably just talk about how eating clean doesn't matter, right?
if someone WANTS to go the extra mile, they shouldn't be vilified for it. if you guys want the easy, quick fixes, then go for it! that's your choice!
Excuse me..I'm sorry....easy, quick fixes....seriously did you just... :explode: :mad:
arguing on behalf of fast food means you want to keep that in your diet. that's much easier than eliminating it no? even though you all know it's really not great for you?
A donut can be easily eliminated from your diet, right Coachie? Then why do you eat them and put them in your diary for everyone to see, even though you know aforementioned donut is not good for you?
/mosthypocriticalthreadeverpleaesend
haha you can leave any time you want.
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so it uses more energy to eat fast food, sounds like I can eat more calories. inb4 flame war
also theres this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/229350420 -
Coach: if you are 5'7" and 137lbs you should be eating all the fast foodz.
dude i'm good man. building muscle and eating clean at the same time. it's slow going, but it's' better for me in the long run.
I've put on over 10 pounds of muscle in the last few months while dropping my body fat to sub 10%
Oh rly???
by few it's more like 6 months, but yeah rly. everyone on these boards has already seen my ill-fated pics in the other thread. :P
So according to your diary, you're scarfing down chocolate covered donuts and crackers while preaching this garbage. Does the Shakeology shake "detox" that out of your body? Please give us the holy word.
lol my diary is also full of a ton of whole foods. today wasn't perfect. look at yesterday. absolute perfection. :P
i've already said 90/10.
to set things straight. ONE donut and 7 crackers. I'd have thought that was a model of moderation for you fast-food junkies!
And so BK, Subway, Panera and Dominoes is okay in moderation, right?
But your post was discussing about cutting it out completely...not to eat in moderation.
can you copy+paste where I said that in my initial post, please?0
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